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Sunday, June 2, 2019

Forbes: WWE Morale Is 'The Worst It's Ever Been,' And Vince Is Taking The Blame

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JoCrazy 1 day ago#1
https://www.forbes.com/sites/blakeoestriecher/2019/05/31/wwe-morale-is-the-worst-its-ever-been-and-vince-mcmahon-is-taking-the-blame

Long article, but it paints a bad picture of WWE backstage & of Vince McMahon, the atmosphere backstage is very toxic right now. 

Bullet-points: 
1. "The most frustrated person in the back every single night is Triple H."
2. "Vince [McMahon] wants suggestions from everyone but it never gets on TV. 99 out of 100 times you can come up with an idea for Vince and it won’t be used."
3. "One writer is very close to quitting because he is so 'unbelievably unhappy' and many of the writers are paranoid and think they are close to being fired."
4. "It’s such a toxic atmosphere and it’s all because of one person."
5. "The money is good and it’s a dream job for many writers but it gets frustrating. The talent is very unhappy and people are trying to get out of their contracts."
6. "Shane McMahon, Triple H and Stephanie McMahon have tried to talk to Vince but it hasn’t worked."
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Yes, of course.
187mike 1 day ago#3
Fuck Vince
Deal with it
JimPean 1 day ago#4
What do you make of this @Dynedux
The Man always bows down to The Queen - The Queen
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bigbug1992 1 day ago#5
I hate it when someone posts a Forbes Contributor article and pretends someone from Forbes actually wrote it.

Contributor articles can be written by any schmo and don't have to verify sources.

This guy just regurgitated Meltzer and Alvarez's trash. What a waste of 10.99
Opinions are just like asses.
Everyone has one, and most of them stink.
JoCrazy 1 day ago#6
bigbug1992 posted...
I hate it when someone posts a Forbes Contributor article and pretends someone from Forbes actually wrote it.

Contributor articles can be written by any schmo and don't have to verify sources.

This guy just regurgitated Meltzer and Alvarez's trash. What a waste of 10.99


Moral being bad and the locker room being divided isn't a secret or rumor anymore.
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bigbug1992 posted...
I hate it when someone posts a Forbes Contributor article and pretends someone from Forbes actually wrote it.

Contributor articles can be written by any schmo and don't have to verify sources.

This guy just regurgitated Meltzer and Alvarez's trash. What a waste of 10.99


Wait, Forbes would ruin their reputation? Every publication hires freelancers but they generally still follow the standards of on staff editors/reporters.
JoCrazy 1 day ago#8
Johnny Blaque posted...
bigbug1992 posted...
I hate it when someone posts a Forbes Contributor article and pretends someone from Forbes actually wrote it.

Contributor articles can be written by any schmo and don't have to verify sources.

This guy just regurgitated Meltzer and Alvarez's trash. What a waste of 10.99


Wait, Forbes would ruin their reputation? Every publication hires freelancers but they generally still follow the standards of on staff editors/reporters.
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bigbug1992 1 day ago#9
Johnny Blaque posted...
bigbug1992 posted...
I hate it when someone posts a Forbes Contributor article and pretends someone from Forbes actually wrote it.

Contributor articles can be written by any schmo and don't have to verify sources.

This guy just regurgitated Meltzer and Alvarez's trash. What a waste of 10.99


Wait, Forbes would ruin their reputation? Every publication hires freelancers but they generally still follow the standards of on staff editors/reporters.


There are disclaimers that the piece is an opinion piece and the opinion of the writer and not the opinion of Forbes. The usual stuff that exonerates Forbes itself from any real backlash.
Opinions are just like asses.
Everyone has one, and most of them stink.
lol at taking trash tier journalism like Forbes at face value.
JoCrazy 1 day ago#11
Forbes is far from the only ones talking about how bad it is in WWE because of Vince right now. Just listen to the Moxley interview. The countless people wanting to leave and openly complaining on social media, etc, etc.
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Babirusa 1 day ago#12
jo will use any source to make a topic to get attention. this article is just shitting out what they heard from meltzer. really there is no reason to doubt it, but we dont need a topic after every time someone rips off meltzer. this goof has no info, he has no sources, hes a parrot.
Drumiester 1 day ago#13
JimPean posted...
What do you make of this @Dynedux


Hard for him to make anything right now since he's Warned.
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JimPean 7 hours ago#14
Drumiester posted...
JimPean posted...
What do you make of this @Dynedux


Hard for him to make anything right now since he's Warned.

They can't keep my boi down
The Man always bows down to The Queen - The Queen
Dynedux 6 hours ago#15
JimPean posted...
What do you make of this @Dynedux

Another smarterchild topic
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ThatGuy10 6 hours ago#16
JoCrazy posted...
toxic

lQ34Byf
Arizona_Joe 6 hours ago#17
People arguing over the legitimacy of the articles when we've had several former writers and wrestlers already tell us all this. Vince is the gate keep for everything in wrestling. Writers write to keep Vince happy and wrestlers do as they're told or they'll be pulled off TV and sit out their contract and even have time added to it because they can. WWE isn't toxic. Vince is. They've never had a roster this talented yet they can't do anything with them cause Vince doesn't like what others like.
ThatGuy10 6 hours ago#18
Arizona_Joe posted...
toxic

JAToKaC
JoCrazy posted...
Forbes is far from the only ones talking about how bad it is in WWE because of Vince right now. Just listen to the Moxley interview. The countless people wanting to leave and openly complaining on social media, etc, etc.


That's exactly it. All this article and wrestling journalists do is state the fucking obvious or regurgitate what is rumoured to rile us up all over again.

Its intent isn't to whistleblow, it's just to get hits. Alas that's all news ever is now. It's a product, so needs to be manufactured then marketed.

Meltzer for example probably doesn't even have sources any more, he simply is smarter than the average wrestling fan (this isn't saying much) and can figure things better and pass off what is common sense to the average human as breaking news to the average wrestling fan.
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Arizona_Joe 5 hours ago#20
ThatGuy10 posted...
Arizona_Joe posted...
toxic

JAToKaC

I'm going off bullet point 4. Don't see what's funny.
forbes the magazine is a well respected business magazine. forbes the website is click bait garbage
UltraMarcus 4 hours ago#22
It's an insane time, because morale and quality of the weekly shows is the worst it's ever been, but their finances are in the best shape they've ever been. It's wild. 

The shows are soooo bad, but with the fox deal and the Saudi deals, they've made so much money.
Charged151 3 hours ago#23
The article mentioned that the wildcard rule is a disaster that helps only the top of the card will make even more people want to leave...and I agree.
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AbbyTheWitch 2 hours ago#24
JimPean posted...
Drumiester posted...
JimPean posted...
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Hard for him to make anything right now since he's Warned.

They can't keep my boi down

They keep trying though. It’s so sad
Follow the Buzzards
AbbyTheWitch 2 hours ago#25
TrulyEpicLawls posted...
JoCrazy posted...
Forbes is far from the only ones talking about how bad it is in WWE because of Vince right now. Just listen to the Moxley interview. The countless people wanting to leave and openly complaining on social media, etc, etc.


That's exactly it. All this article and wrestling journalists do is state the fucking obvious or regurgitate what is rumoured to rile us up all over again.

Its intent isn't to whistleblow, it's just to get hits. Alas that's all news ever is now. It's a product, so needs to be manufactured then marketed.

Meltzer for example probably doesn't even have sources any more, he simply is smarter than the average wrestling fan (this isn't saying much) and can figure things better and pass off what is common sense to the average human as breaking news to the average wrestling fan.

One guy who left is a great representation of the thoughts and feelings of the people who still work there 

You used to try harder
Follow the Buzzards
Solid Sonic 1 hour ago#26
Surprised to see Stephanie trying to get her father’s ear. She’s usually the one most likely to follow his example.
"Imagine a world where hypothetical situations didn't exist..."
Lukenatme 1 hour ago#27
Big news: ideas from underlings aren't used by the CEO!!! A CEO runs a company HIS way. No kidding?!?
TERRA_RYZlN 1 hour ago#28
Lukenatme posted...
Big news: ideas from underlings aren't used by the CEO!!! A CEO runs a company HIS way. No kidding?!?

The entertainment business isnt like your mcdonalds career.
GPRailroad 1 hour ago#29
Lukenatme posted...
Big news: ideas from underlings aren't used by the CEO!!! A CEO runs a company HIS way. No kidding?!?
The issue is that the CEO is a terrible leader.
1984: Ironically the GOAT year.
TERRA_RYZlN posted...
Lukenatme posted...
Big news: ideas from underlings aren't used by the CEO!!! A CEO runs a company HIS way. No kidding?!?

The entertainment business isnt like your mcdonalds career.

How’s your entertainment company going there, Terra? 

Cuz Vince’s is doing pretty fucking grand
Follow the Buzzards
GPRailroad posted...
Lukenatme posted...
Big news: ideas from underlings aren't used by the CEO!!! A CEO runs a company HIS way. No kidding?!?
The issue is that the CEO is a terrible leader.

There’s like 50 years of history that shows otherwise
Follow the Buzzards
Conflict 1 hour ago#32
Arizona_Joe posted...
People arguing over the legitimacy of the articles when we've had several former writers and wrestlers already tell us all this. Vince is the gate keep for everything in wrestling. Writers write to keep Vince happy and wrestlers do as they're told or they'll be pulled off TV and sit out their contract and even have time added to it because they can. WWE isn't toxic. Vince is. They've never had a roster this talented yet they can't do anything with them cause Vince doesn't like what others like.


And it's more interesting when you hear the pieces from those said writers and wrestlers. This is just some random guy spitballing about what he thinks is going on backstage. That's not useful information to anybody.
You can't trust anybody
if you can't trust number one
GPRailroad 1 hour ago#33
AbbyTheWitch posted...
GPRailroad posted...
Lukenatme posted...
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The issue is that the CEO is a terrible leader.

There’s like 50 years of history that shows otherwise
It has nothing to do with their history and you know that.
1984: Ironically the GOAT year.
DUKLegend 1 hour ago#34
Man, people took everything Ambrose said and twists it to fit their own stupid narrative against the WWE. Because it's so easy. Wrestling fans are so easy to manipulate, so long as you aim for their emotions that are directed against the WWE. Journalists gain hits, lawyers gain lawsuits. Manipulation. And they're all blind to it.

Ambrose really only spoke of the creative process and was miserable due to it. He also spoke about how everyone in the WWE had different feelings about their career there. Some did it for the money and are happy about it. He even said he's totally fine with someone doing it to better their lives in that way. Some actually like the scripted stuff. Everyone is different. I really liked Ambrose's take on the WWE. It was genuine and didn't come across as bitter or embellishing stories. It's the type of thing that gained me respect for the man, unlike previous podcasts I've heard before for others. You know who comes to mind.

To you, as a wrestling fan, it's totally cool to not like WWE, but seriously, stop falling for this shit. Stop building a narrative or getting absorbed into another's.
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Literally taking guys in their underwear fake fighting taking this seriously
Marks need to grow up, especially the ones in the locker room

FAKE FIGHTING IN UNDERWEAR! IT'S NOT MEANT TO BE TAKEN THIS SERIOUSLY
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vince being terrible and ruining Raw/SD is the most super obvious thing ever

he's a senile old man who belongs in retirement, not ruining wrestling week after week after week after week

tbqh
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Conflict 1 hour ago#37
SteveRogers33 posted...
Literally taking guys in their underwear fake fighting taking this seriously
Marks need to grow up, especially the ones in the locker room

FAKE FIGHTING IN UNDERWEAR! IT'S NOT MEANT TO BE TAKEN THIS SERIOUSLY


How old are you
You can't trust anybody
if you can't trust number one
DUKLegend 1 hour ago#38
Conflict posted...
SteveRogers33 posted...
Literally taking guys in their underwear fake fighting taking this seriously
Marks need to grow up, especially the ones in the locker room

FAKE FIGHTING IN UNDERWEAR! IT'S NOT MEANT TO BE TAKEN THIS SERIOUSLY


How old are you


An old ass man according to End Game.
Conflict posted...
SteveRogers33 posted...
Literally taking guys in their underwear fake fighting taking this seriously
Marks need to grow up, especially the ones in the locker room

FAKE FIGHTING IN UNDERWEAR! IT'S NOT MEANT TO BE TAKEN THIS SERIOUSLY


How old are you

The real question is how old are you to be this upset over men in their underwear fake fighting
Pro Wrestling is dumb and goofy, the lowest form of entertainment, and you're here with others crying over Vince not taking it seriously or it being mature enough for you
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Even Bruce Blitz has given up on raging about it
XIII_rocks 1 hour ago#41
Arizona_Joe posted...
People arguing over the legitimacy of the articles when we've had several former writers and wrestlers already tell us all this.


Yeah this is the thing I don't get. People get so distracted by the legitimacy of the source when we've heard this direct from the mouths of countless former wrestlers and writers. Like, there might be one or two things here that seem a little exaggerated, a few things that retread what we already know (a lot of articles do that anyway) but all bullshit aside, do you reallythink this article is incorrect and made multiple false statements? Do you really think Dave Meltzer is absolutely clueless and has no legitimate, relevant sources to inform what he reports?
Not to be confused with XIII_Stones.
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Conflict 1 hour ago#42
SteveRogers33 posted...
Conflict posted...
SteveRogers33 posted...
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How old are you

The real question is how old are you to be this upset over men in their underwear fake fighting
Pro Wrestling is dumb and goofy, the lowest form of entertainment, and you're here with others crying over Vince not taking it seriously or it being mature enough for you


I take it you're about 14 years old
You can't trust anybody
if you can't trust number one
GroovyPotential 57 minutes ago#43
XIII_rocks posted...
Arizona_Joe posted...
People arguing over the legitimacy of the articles when we've had several former writers and wrestlers already tell us all this.


Yeah this is the thing I don't get. People get so distracted by the legitimacy of the source when we've heard this direct from the mouths of countless former wrestlers and writers. Like, there might be one or two things here that seem a little exaggerated, a few things that retread what we already know (a lot of articles do that anyway) but all bullshit aside, do you really think this article is incorrect and made multiple false statements? Do you really think Dave Meltzer is absolutely clueless and has no legitimate, relevant sources to inform what he reports?


the dean ambrose podcast has given them the licence to report assumptions as fact or place really obvious dots together. meltzer had the temerity to report that ec3 was being punished for the reaction he got when facing ambrose like he had a hot scoop, hours after the podcast has aired
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