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- It really bothers me that WWE wrestlers don't get medical insurance.
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Source: http://corporate.wwe.com/company/faq.jsp
WWE performers are personally responsible for acquiring their own health insurance, life insurance and financial planning. They really need a union or something. Perhaps even joining the SAG to get a higher stature within WWE, I mean they do act in drama/comedy on national television every week so maybe there's some loophole that could allow them at least a valid argument for medical insurance. If you put yourself in the mindset of a wrestler trying to provide for his family, in order to succeed and become a top star, having no health insurance in WWE it's basically discouraged to be injured or to take time off to heal a nagging injury. The idea of taking pain killers/opiates will benefit their career more in the near-future as a short term fix as opposed to doing the right thing and taking time off to become 100%. I have many more thoughts on the matter, but I just wanna hear what you guys think. Personally I think Vince McMahon is a piece of s*** to call himself an independent contractor, when he makes billions of dollars off the misfortunes of his wrestlers and their families. Think about it, every dollar the McMahons donated/wasted/flushed down the toilet for Linda McMahon's MASSIVE failure to run for Senate could've paid for several years of health insurance for the wrestlers that helped make him that money.
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Let them get Obamacare
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it's not like he forces them to sign the damn contracts man
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Yeah, it's sad, but what are you going to do? Wrestlers get in the business knowing what they're getting into. I will admit, I did find it disgusting how much money they put down the drain for Linda's campaign when that could have went to their wrestlers. So sad that they use money like it's candy. That was NOT a good investment. You can't always buy an election. Vince should have learned from the XFL and WBF that he can't have everything. And WWE films is a flop itself that should have died out long ago.
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Wwe takes great care of their performers and have the top doctors on hand always. It's up to the individual to take care of themselves outside of wrestling.
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The independent contractor designation is stupid, but they do pay for medical treatment for wrestlers under contract, at least.
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I hear that even the low carders get paid a pretty decent amount of money. They get enough to afford their own health insurance if they are smart with their money and they don't spend it on stupid **** they don't really need.
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In Mick Foley's DVD from a while back he mentioned making $1500/week paychecks when he was a midcarder in WCW. I'm going to go and assume that this is a pretty lowball number now days. Even if you pay for your own travel expenses, this should be more than enough money to buy your own medical insurance. Aside from that, WWE doctors are onhand all the time for the performers and they do a damn good job.
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Nobody made those people become wrestlers. I'm pretty sure they all knew going in that they would have to provide their own insurance.
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WWE contracted talent can easily afford their own health care considering that a few indy guys can get health insurance and don't even get guarenteed contracts
Include appearance bonus and mech for some guys as well
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I feel terrible for the OP that he feels pro wrestlers aren't capable of handling the reigns to make their own decisions. Why not donate your own millions to them for their doctor bills.
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There actually is a very good reason why WWE doesn't provide medical insurance but I couldn't tell you why. I read an article about it a little while back but I can't remember much of it. It has something to do with wrestlers being independent contractors I believe.
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The people who are saying " they knew what they're getting into " are talking absolute bull****. That's a terrible reason for not insuring your workers. What? Are we suddenly living in Carnegie times?
Really, though. Vince does take care of his talent. They're given quality medical care, and are paid enough to compensate and afford a quality medical insure on their own. He cares about them, in a not conventional way.
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Yes because we all know Edge had to pay for his own neck surgery or Rey Mysterio has to beg for donations to afford his many knee surgeries.
Seriously? They have top doctors taking care of their wrestlers each week and would rush them to the hospital, picking up the bill if a wrestler ever got hurt. |
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RonWeassly posted...
And WWE films is a flop itself that should have died out long ago. Show me numbers that suggest WWE Films has been a disaster. The productions are all relatively small and they don't have a lot of distribution costs. They're limited releases and then make it to DVD where they probably do pretty well. No, box office numbers don't suggest WWE Films has been a flop. |
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Yeah, those poor talentless 5'7 midgets with no technical or mic skills or charisma are only making 300k a year being boring, and they have no health insurance!
Remember when X and X got injured? they lost 1% of their salary cause they were so unfit, how is that fair? |
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Okay, TC, I see.
So...WWE is a corporation. Corporations are afforded the same rights as human beings, with none of the social or moral responsibilities. That is not an opinion, that is a fact. So long as something does not effect the bottom line, it is not a factor for a corporation to consider. So...in the eyes of the WWE, its workers are objects. Just as any other corporation, you want to spend as few dollars as possible on each employee. With the WWE, it's a bit more complicated since there are so many different contracts and such, different wrestlers can have drastically different contractual demands, etc. But still, WWE would be a foolish entity, financially, to offer free healthcare to a wrestler who wasn't specifically asking for it. That would be akin to burning money. That is simple business theory, nothing more. As for Vince earning "billions" off the misfortunes of others...Vince McMahon is not a billionaire, despite what is said on TV. Vince has an estimated net worth of around $500 million [Google]. Finally...I really can't have that much pity on someone who goes into wrestling, and has to pay out-of-pocket healthcare. It's not like someone hid the fact that it's a physically demanding profession from you. On top of that, if you make it anywhere past the bottom entry level of WWE (note: no smaller organization would even remotely consider paying for your health care, that's absurd to even think that), you are making enough money that you can afford to pay for yourself. So how about that time before you "make it" where you are working really hard and don't have any money for health, and no real health coverage? It's called calculated risk. When you enter into a profession which has extremely high rewards, you often have to accept very high risks as well. Good luck to you, hope you make it, but in the end of the day...welcome to the business world. Pro wrestling is no different than anyone else. They want to make money, and they will manipulate the law as best they can to do so.
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jtmore15 posted...
Yes because we all know Edge had to pay for his own neck surgery or Rey Mysterio has to beg for donations to afford his many knee surgeries. what about their families? it cost ~30 grand for my wife to give birth to my daughter overall. think Vince would pick those bills up?
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bigpoppapat posted...
jtmore15 posted...Yes because we all know Edge had to pay for his own neck surgery or Rey Mysterio has to beg for donations to afford his many knee surgeries. This would be an issue if WWE wrestlers didn't get paid a lot of money. Even the bottom of the roster make enough to pay for health insurance for their family and still have enough left to live comfortably. |
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bigpoppapat posted...
jtmore15 posted...Yes because we all know Edge had to pay for his own neck surgery or Rey Mysterio has to beg for donations to afford his many knee surgeries. there is no way it would cost 30 grand for a normal child birth. Vince and the WWE pay the superstars and talent more then enough for a quality health insurance plan. So you can't complain and say they don't help them out just cause it isn't handed to them and they are given the option of getting whatever health insurance they want. |
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I know this is forward-thinking, but wrestlers' spouses can and do have full time jobs which also provide benefits such as health insurance.
These guys aren't the super helpless, can't provide for my family types some of you seem to make them out to be just because they aren't provided health care through WWE.
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ShadowMan033 posted...
I know this is forward-thinking, but wrestlers' spouces can and do have full time jobs which also provide benefits such as health insurance. They also have to pay their own taxes, think of the workers!
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Let's say WWE starts providing health insurance next year.
Do you think the average salary WWE pay would go up or down in response? The wrestlers are going to pay for it either way, this isn't a case of Vince McMahon keeping the difference for himself
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OurLadyPeace posted...
Let's say WWE starts providing health insurance next year. Exactly. Companies don't "give" you insurance, they just make it a bit easier by letting you buy into their group plan. Honestly, with as much traveling as they do, it is probably easier for the wrestler to buy a plan that fits his/her needs on the individual market. |
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If companies provide insurance, they take the premium out of your check.
For most companies, I would agree with you because corporate America is running this country in to the ground, but wrestlers make enough to afford insurance, theoretically. I'm sure their rates are much higher considering their health risks though.
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We've had a main event heel who thinks he's a face for years now. His name is John Cena. |
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Fun fact: Jesse Ventura tried organizing a union, but Hogan heard about it, and worked with McMahon to block it because Hogan was making more than the rest of the roster combined
And yes, calling WWE wrestlers independent contractors is a ****ing joke. They tell you how to act, what to wear, they can totally control your life, but yet they're considered "independent contractors" |
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TNA are the ones that refuse to help with medical bills after their wrestlers literally break their necks and end their careers for them. This is why everyone's leaving them, refusing to make one-off returns and why the defecting WWE guys nearly always go straight back to WWE when offered.
Plus, with Daffney as an example, whenever a wrestler sues they settle out of court right before the judge rules against them. They haven't been sued by someone rich enough to say "**** you" so that the judge can make an industry-changing ruling that gives the workers the rights and contracts they deserve.
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did someone say they paid 30 thousand dollars for a baby?
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ghettorevival posted...
did someone say they paid 30 thousand dollars for a baby? it cost that. i didn't say I paid it. insurance picked it up
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bigpoppapat posted...
ghettorevival posted...did someone say they paid 30 thousand dollars for a baby? It didn't actually though. Unless they built the room from scratch for you and flew in the nurses and doctors from another country. |
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Thing is, like others have said, wrestlers make enough money to buy their own health plans. Even jobbers can afford to get something.
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AsIfByMagic posted...
bigpoppapat posted...ghettorevival posted...show hidden quote(s) A cesarean without complications can cost $15,000 alone, bub. |
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BiggWillieStylk posted...
Thing is, like others have said, wrestlers make enough money to buy their own health plans. Even jobbers can afford to get something. How much do TNA jobbers make?
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LuigiisTeepee posted...
AsIfByMagic posted...bigpoppapat posted...show hidden quote(s) Costs of medical procedures in the US are ridiculously exaggerated to force people into getting health insurance |
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AsIfByMagic posted...
LuigiisTeepee posted...AsIfByMagic posted...show hidden quote(s) Having known that, why was it hard for you to grasp that someone may have been billed $30k for a birth before insurance picked up the contracted maximum charge? |
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AsIfByMagic posted...
bigpoppapat posted...ghettorevival posted...show hidden quote(s) you're telling me? I saw the bill.. and got hit with around 3 grand that wasn't covered.
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AsIfByMagic posted...
LuigiisTeepee posted...AsIfByMagic posted...show hidden quote(s) This sentence right here just disproved your own point.
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BiggWillieStylk posted...Thing is, like others have said, wrestlers make enough money to buy their own health plans. Even jobbers can afford to get something. Their knockouts champ had a second job at a mall back when Dutch Mantell (Zeb) was booking that division and they were getting the highest ratings every week. That should tell you about as much as you need to know. Honestly, it really bothers me that America as a whole has its current medical insurance system. Health care is a basic right.
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bigpoppapat posted...
jtmore15 posted...Yes because we all know Edge had to pay for his own neck surgery or Rey Mysterio has to beg for donations to afford his many knee surgeries. WTF? God I already didn't want kids, but now they're less appealing. |
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bigpoppapat posted...
jtmore15 posted...Yes because we all know Edge had to pay for his own neck surgery or Rey Mysterio has to beg for donations to afford his many knee surgeries. I'M VINCE MCMAHON DAMNIT, I WANT YOU TO PUSH THAT BABY OUT SO I CAN PUSH IT FOR SUMMERSLAM! WE'LL CALL HIM THE MASTODON, HE'LL BE BIGGER THAN THAT HACK HOGAN EVER WAS!
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AsIfByMagic posted...
bigpoppapat posted...ghettorevival posted...show hidden quote(s) http://transform.childbirthconnection.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/New-York.pdf http://budgeting.thenest.com/average-price-hospital-bills-pregnancy-24229.html http://children.costhelper.com/baby-delivery.html my kid was a c-section baby.
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bigpoppapat posted...
jtmore15 posted...Yes because we all know Edge had to pay for his own neck surgery or Rey Mysterio has to beg for donations to afford his many knee surgeries. If hospitals didn't have to take so many charity cases, it wouldn't be that expensive. Okay, I'll get off my soapbox, now.
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BiggWillieStylk posted...
bigpoppapat posted...jtmore15 posted...show hidden quote(s) meh that goes way beyond the hospitals my friend
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bigpoppapat posted...
BiggWillieStylk posted...bigpoppapat posted...show hidden quote(s) I know. And people are complaining about their premiums going up. *shakes head*
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