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According to Wrestling Observer Newsletter, during a meet and greet in Melbourne, Australia, Cody was asked about a new promotion and said to wait for January as an announcement will be made. He also said the announcement would be bigger than anyone expects https://411mania.com/wrestling/cody-rhodes-says-january-announcement-will-bigger-anyone-expects/ Some notes from recent news: - The new promotion is 'All Elite Wrestling'. The home of the promotion would be in Jacksonville, Florida. - Funded by the billionaire owners of the Jacksonville Jaguars, whom is prepared to lose money at first. - Jim Ross, Chris Jericho, Cody Rhodes, The Young Bucks, & possibly Kenny Omega is expecting to run the promotion/some combo of these guys running it. - Mark Cuban wants more regular weekly wrestling on his channel, New Japan's format doesn't allow for American-style weekly TV storytelling. AEW would join NJPW and the new reboot of Women of Wrestling(starts in early 2019). - CM Punk has shown interest in working with them. From MMAFighting the other day: When asked directly if he’d entertain an offer to work for All Elite, Punk replied, “I would always listen. I would listen to them because … I like the Young Bucks, I text with Matt on and off. But business is business.” - The Elite, after doing All In and such, have said they are sticking together. Marty is the only one locked into a contract after January(ROH for most of '19). Cody has said he doesn't know if he can be not his own boss again, Bucks have said similar things. They all like their creative freedom, while WWE can offer them a lot, they are doing well on their own and said money isn't everything. - 'All Elite Wrestling', 'AEW'. 'Double or Nothing'(All In sequel name), 'All Out', & 'Tuesday Night Dynamite' are among the trademarks for the company. Seemingly they are gonna be ready to jump into the Tueday peimetime slot after SDL moves to Friday's on FOX. - Some big WWE names whom contracts are coming up are interested in jumping over. No one named, but former NJPW/Bullet Club stars Gallows, Anderson, & Nakamura are among those who's contracts are up. AJ Styles contract is up, but he's too loyal to Vince and is obviously not going anywhere, he'll retire in WWE. Seems like they are getting all the deals signed and set up before announcing anything. Depending on the TV deal, All Elite would instantly become America's number 2 promotion. ROH is syndication, not regular TV deal. Impact Wrestling owners have less money, plus they are a Canadian company and are leaving their TV deal in December. Lucha Underground has been put on the shelf for now, so no Season 5 production planned yet. I hope this ends up being a big thing, then WWE may have to step up their game. Time will tell on where chips fall here, but America needs a new, fresh promotion.
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I hope this ends up being a big thing, then WWE may have to step up their game. Time will tell on where chips fall here, but America needs a new, fresh promotion. the window for new promotions to become a big thing is closed. you know that the quality of the show is irrelevant. who's running it is irrelevant. the matches are irrelevant. the set is irrelevant the TV deal is irrelevant the sponsors are irrelevant the only thing that matters when it comes to being as big as WWE is this question: does pro wrestling currently appeal to society en masse? (no) |
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JoCrazy posted...I hope this ends up being a big thing, then WWE may have to step up their game. Time will tell on where chips fall here, but America needs a new, fresh promotion. It's got backers willing to lose money, who have a lot more of it than Vince and interest from Cuban, who wouldn't be supporting something if he didn't think there was a market for it. You sound more like you hope this falls through, rather than actually thinking it will.
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i sound like I'm living in reality instead of the smarkland utopia
since 2001 how many new promotions have launched and reached the level of WWE? packing a venue full of smarks is the best anybody can do in America until wrestling is cool again. which is fine. selling out small/medium houses may be all it takes to pay the bills and keep the lights on. but WWE sells to laymen as well as smarks. you have to appeal to more than just enthusiasts if you're going to compete with someone who appeals to more than just enthusiasts . i'm not arguing against sustainability. i'm arguing against y'all getting wide eyed and banking on this being the thing that finally makes Vince loosen his tie and roll up his sleeves again. |
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i sound like I'm living in reality instead of the smarkland utopia You must not be paying attention, but outside WWE right now is ‘hot’ and talent are making enough money so they don’t need to go to WWE. NJPW is offering big money. Talent making more money on The indies, etc
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ghettorevival posted...i sound like I'm living in reality instead of the smarkland utopia What does that have to do with becoming a cable TV powerhouse?
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Impact Wrestling is still the number 2 company in the US, it never stopped just because they changed the name from TNA.
Besides I wonder why people aren't shitting on AEW for potentially bringing in WWE guys when all we hear about is how TNA/Impact Wrestling sign all these WWE guys and give them a push, titles need prestige and having wrestlers people have actually heard of holding the belts gives them legitimacy. I'm not trying to bash Cody, afterall he did sell out a 10,000 seat arena for All In but I don't think throwing money at something like this is worthwhile, in a while AEW will just be another feeder fed for the WWE.
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i sound like I'm living in reality instead of the smarkland utopia Again, you sound like you want it to fail. How many of those promotions have had someone with pockets deeper than Vince's, who could absorb the loss of being a start up with no issue, and reportedly have no issue with that being the case? And how exactly do you suggest wrestling become 'cool' again if the only thing people have to turn to is the WWE? Should people just wait around and hope it somehow does, and then jump in? And is this succeeds, who cares what Vince does? There's no reason people can't continue to enjoy WWE and this new product as well.
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JoCrazy posted...ghettorevival posted...show hidden quote(s) People are looking for a viable Alternative. Impact is on a subscription channel, not in prime time. ROH is syndication. Lucha Underground is more of niche, also is a serial TV show than a a Pro Wrestling promotion. NJPW doesn’t do American style weekly shows, thus why Mark Cuban airs recently highlights and the live US specials. If you look at All In as maybe a pilot for whatever this promotion will become, then it is clear people want another option that is treated as a big deal. Time will tell. We are all just speculating here based on the little news and rumors that has come out. We’ll obviously have a better picture in just over a month of what exactly this organization is and how it will operate.
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ScottishLion88 posted...
Impact Wrestling is still the number 2 company in the US, it never stopped just because they changed the name from TNA. how accurate is this statement tho because I feel like I hear less and less about TNA/Impact now than I did 10 years ago
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ScottishLion88 posted...Impact Wrestling is still the number 2 company in the US, it never stopped just because they changed the name from TNA. Impact losing the number 2 spot would mean there's an American promotion between them and wwe. As far as I know no other promotion has gotten that far.
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Impact Wrestling is still the number 2 company in the US, it never stopped just because they changed the name from TNA. The owners have billions more than Vince/WWE. People want a viable number alt that they can follow as easy as WWE and is different/better. This has that potential. A lot of people are unhappy in WWE and others don’t even want to go, WWE could end up being a feeder for AEW. Remember, you got Mark Cuban and the billionaire funding it, they will jack up their PR machine to promote this company. Also, remember Cuban’s TV contacts and the fact that he owns TV stations, which ASX, he wants Wrestling to be the main thing on it. In January he’ll have 2 wrestling shows on there, NJPW and the new version of WOW. Impact is losing their TV deal in December, I could see him picking them up. AEW would be promoted heavy. I could see them getting All Elite on a bigger station like the WWE FOX deal, while a secondary show being on ASX. Time will tell, but this could be huge. Also, Punk being open to joining is big star power for them.
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I don't know why anybody cares about that never-was Cody Rhodes.
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angleslam99 posted...ScottishLion88 posted...show hidden quote(s) Impact is a Canada promotion now and don’t even have a prime time TV deal, they also got like 1/4th of the viewers they did a decade ago. They are rebuilding as pretty much an all new promotion, but it’s gonna take awhile and a new TV deal to get people back. They are not number 2.
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ScottishLion88 posted...Impact Wrestling is still the number 2 company in the US, it never stopped just because they changed the name from TNA. Not accurate at all, Impact is behind ROH and NJPW.
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Oh that I didn't know. I guess lucha underground or roh would be next then but there's not really a big gap it seems. Anthem/Fite Tv aka their parent company is a Canadian group. When they took over fully from Dixie, they changed the name of the company, moved HQ from Nashville to Toronto. While they have the video library and the same Titles, they are pretty much a brand new company and no longer “TNA” in anyway. Anthem Sports & Entertainment’s “Impact Wrestling”. Don Callis and Scott D’Amore run the promotion now, Chris Jericho helps out on the side a bit as he’s close with Callis.
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Just because you have a lot of money doesn't mean it will guarantee success, that is just a fact of life.
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WarGreymon77 posted...I don't know why anybody cares about that never-was Cody Rhodes. They could’ve done that without him. Cody just latched on to what was already the biggest act outside of WWE.
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I see jo is spreading info that is fake again.
this doesnt involve the billionaire who owns the jaguars. its his son and thats a big difference. to ignore it makes no sense. maybe a dirtsheet would do that for clicks but this is a message board. jim ross having and role in this and he even spoke to meltzer and denies it. the new rumor is he would be an on air employee not someone running it. thats the same for jericho. once again I have no idea why you ignore this shit. maybe a dirtsheet would because jericho and jim owning a promotion grabs peoples attentions more, but you are a poster who gets nothing out of it. |
He claims to know someone in the business or in the dirtsheet side, although I can't remember and couldn't really give 2 fucks if I'm being honest
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So hate to break it to everyone but ghettorevival is pretty much spot on with his assessment here.
I mean, get excited if you want, but prepare to be disappointed as well. This won't lead to much. It's possible this may reach the level of something like ROH but people acting like this will be a legit rival to WWE, a modern day WCW, man I wish I had your optimism. Those days are done.
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Khan is only worth 7 billion so he has far more money than Vince. If he’s willing to spend, the WWE is history. Vince is to focus on football right now. And you think he'd be willing to spend enough money to potentially do that? It's not like he'd really be making that kind of money back.
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I dont understand why people want this to fail so bad just because Cody and the rest of his group want to bring in more wrestling. or just realists |
Even though this is obviously a long shot to succeed, we all should be hoping that it does. Competition is what the WWE has been missing since it's decline began in 2001. I'll actively be hoping the likes of Nak, Styles, Gallows/Anderson, and lots of other people bounce and head there if this thing even gets off the ground.
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And I'll pray Vince Russo or Jim Cornette never get anywhere near it.https://i.imgtc.com/93M2yQd.jpg REVOLUTION: When reality stars main event a PPV celebrating the evolution their lack of talent/passion for wrestling spawned.if they can get a big name or two, a tv deal, and have the backer be patient (he's stuck by the Jaguars all time so this might not be a problem) it might have staying power.
And I mean like basic cable tv deal or at least a big regional tv network like WGN. not a 4th tier cable option filler network.I made this sig to specifically waste your time.The fact that there's people with loads of money behind this doesn't necessarily mean its going to be a big deal. Look who owned TNA for a while. Look who owns ROH.
It would be cool if this promotion gets on a major network but that remains to be seen. Would be crazy if Turner got into wrestling again and had it on one of their networks.JfAtS1O3N posted...The fact that there's people with loads of money behind this doesn't necessarily mean its going to be a big deal. Look who owned TNA for a while. Look who owns ROH.
It would be cool if this promotion gets on a major network but that remains to be seen. Would be crazy if Turner got into wrestling again and had it on one of their networks.
yep. anyone here remember when mark cuban had a hard on for league of legends? no? exactly.The big thing here is that there will be another American promotion with solid financial backing.
ROH and Impact are good shows, but they can’t compete with the kind of money the WWE has.
New Japan can, but a lot of wrestlers don’t want to stay over there for long stretches of time, or don’t want to deal with the culture shock.
If the Jag’s owner is ready to throw money around, conceivably, they could start getting big-name talent.
There are a ton of underused guys that Vince doesn’t “get.” While some are happy to just collect a paycheck, others will want to make their name in the business...KStateKing17 posted...Damn why is it always Florida? Can we get a nice Omaha, Kansas City, or St Louis promotion?
As much as I would love that, I think the whole "no income tax" thing is a big deal for a lot of developmental talents (something that a new promotion would probably have a fair number of) and it's a pipeline for training schools besides with the schools of Dory Funk Jr, the Wild Samoans, and NXT itself all being there. They can just make offers at whoever WWE or TNA rejects (be they developmental, independent, or foreign talents) since they're "in the area."it doesnt happen in the foreseeable future without a basic cable deal. without a rebranding of a viacom channel that leaves them with basically tnt/tbs or paramount (formerly spiketv). nbcuniversal (usa) and disney (fox) certainly aren't going to mess with their wwe golden goose. in terms of current cable tv climate, this is probably the absolute worst time to possibly attempt to take on the wweBoondoctor posted...And I'll pray Vince Russo or Jim Cornette never get anywhere near it.
Just imagine though if there were 2 weekly shows. Cornette in charge of one, Russo in charge of the other. They constantly try to one up each other. The result would be...probably terrible wrestling show, but amazing entertainment.=DWCW worked through a combination of $$$ (Turner), homegrown superstar power (Flair, Sting), megastar power (Hogan), popular talent jumping ship (Hall, Nash) and a great storyline (nWo).
Other than the $$$, this upcoming promotion currently has none of the above. And unless they can get a certain Electrifying Man to join up with them, or a major popular athlete...calling them competition to WWE is a CRASS joke at bestKStateKing17 posted...angleslam99 posted...
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how accurate is this statement tho because I feel like I hear less and less about TNA/Impact now than I did 10 years ago
Impact losing the number 2 spot would mean there's an American promotion between them and wwe. As far as I know no other promotion has gotten that far.
...lol.
As much as I loathe Ring of Honor right now, this Wrestlemania weekend, they've had their largest attendance yet with 6100 people for Supercard. Impact ran a show that same weekend that only managed to draw 300.
If that's not enough, RoH is promoting a sold out Madison Square Garden show. That's something Impact couldn't even dream of doing right now.
No way in hell is Impact leading Ring of Honor in any measurable metric and I actually like Impact way more than I do RoH.A board for armchair bookers
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/1453-pro-wrestling-be-the-bookerGhettoMF posted...WCW worked through a combination of $$$ (Turner), homegrown superstar power (Flair, Sting), megastar power (Hogan), popular talent jumping ship (Hall, Nash) and a great storyline (nWo).
Other than the $$$, this upcoming promotion currently has none of the above. And unless they can get a certain Electrifying Man to join up with them, or a major popular athlete...calling them competition to WWE is a CRASS joke at best
And again...what...?
The promotion will have Cody, The Bucks, and Hangman Page.
Doesn't matter how some of you on this board feel about any of those names, your run of the mill independent wrestling fan views them as their guys at the moment. I don't think anyone can argue what kind of value those names have when they just did a 10,000+ PPV a couple of months ago.
I'm not saying this project will be a huge or even moderate success, but I think some of you are underestimating its potential, too.A board for armchair bookers
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/1453-pro-wrestling-be-the-bookerPunkRockGiik posted...Even if you don't watch it, serious competition is the best thing that could ever happen to wrestling and everyone should be hoping this is successful.
Not really, while I like wrestling I don't really care if it dies. One of the silliest hobbies I have anyway.I once boxed my ferret and lost
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And I'll pray Vince Russo or Jim Cornette never get anywhere near it.
Just imagine though if there were 2 weekly shows. Cornette in charge of one, Russo in charge of the other. They constantly try to one up each other. The result would be...probably terrible wrestling show, but amazing entertainment.
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Impact losing the number 2 spot would mean there's an American promotion between them and wwe. As far as I know no other promotion has gotten that far.
...lol.
As much as I loathe Ring of Honor right now, this Wrestlemania weekend, they've had their largest attendance yet with 6100 people for Supercard. Impact ran a show that same weekend that only managed to draw 300.
If that's not enough, RoH is promoting a sold out Madison Square Garden show. That's something Impact couldn't even dream of doing right now.
No way in hell is Impact leading Ring of Honor in any measurable metric and I actually like Impact way more than I do RoH.
Yeah, I already searched a few hours ago and saw RoH had surpassed Impact. I knew about the change in ownership, I just wasn't aware they moved out of the country as well.The 17th King of the State of KShadowRaiden00 posted...schizoid37 posted...
I dont understand why people want this to fail so bad just because Cody and the rest of his group want to bring in more wrestling.
You guys are cancer.
or just realists
Even if it does bomb, what's so bad about having someone make a wrestling career beyond WWE?
The "WWE fans" here remind me of downtrodden employers who think their quitting employees won't last a day w/o their old job.huevos rancherosschizoid37 posted...Even if it does bomb, what's so bad about having someone make a wrestling career beyond WWE?
people already do that thoughschizoid37 posted...ShadowRaiden00 posted...
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or just realists
Even if it does bomb, what's so bad about having someone make a wrestling career beyond WWE?
The "WWE fans" here remind me of downtrodden employers who think their quitting employees won't last a day w/o their old job.
I don't think people ITT want this to fail, they're just not jumping the gun on the whole "this is legit competition to WWE" narrative. I would love for this to be competition for WWE but if they don't get on a major network then it won't be anywhere close to it.Yeah I hope this works. Good for the industry. Surely nobody should be actively wanting this to fail unless you really hate Cody or the Bucks or something?
I think there is something about the public just not being super into wrestling right now but there's still a huge wrestling fanbase out there. It just needs to feel unique, not cheap, but not sanitised either.Not to be confused with XIII_Stones.WWE owns a monopoly in an industry that's becoming more niche each year. No matter how much money a new promotion has, there will always be a ceiling.
That's not to say it can't be successful and profitable but they need to stay away from the mindset of "we're better than WWE and want to be number one!" We've seen that kind of thing lead to foolish decisions and directions that not only make the promotion seem desperate but also sours the audience they do have especially when they try to copy or be more similar to what WWE is doing.
Too much cockiness and unrealistic desires to be as big or bigger than WWE is ultimately what leads to downfalls because that simply will never happen.
This promotion should strive to be simply a respected promotion that is valued enough to be a place where good talent and names would choose to work second to WWE and a good TV alternative for wrestling fans to invest in without that erroneous mindset that they need to compete with WWE in order to justify themselves as a success.Are you not....entertained!?Now I just don't get what people are arguing about.JoCrazy posted...- CM Punk has shown interest in working with them. From MMAFighting the other day: When asked directly if he’d entertain an offer to work for All Elite, Punk replied, “I would always listen. I would listen to them because … I like the Young Bucks, I text with Matt on and off. But business is business
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I don't like smarmy little shits whose only schtick is doing flips and being anti-establishment.
So yeah, I want whatever the Bucks is trying to do to fail.do_ob_tpkillr posted...XIII_rocks posted...
Yeah I hope this works. Good for the industry. Surely nobody should be actively wanting this to fail unless you really hate Cody or the Bucks or something?
I don't like smarmy little shits whose only schtick is doing flips and being anti-establishment.
So yeah, I want whatever the Bucks is trying to do to fail.
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You're a little behind on Bucks criticism. Their new shtick is ~storytelling~
Matt has been selling a back injury he got at fucking Wrestle Kingdom (so January). It's really lame and I wish they'd go back to killing the business and preferably in a company I don't watch.https://imgur.com/mZ99iDE
Name me a more iconic duo... I'll waitJoCrazy posted...ghettorevival posted...
i sound like I'm living in reality instead of the smarkland utopia
since 2001 how many new promotions have launched and reached the level of WWE?
packing a venue full of smarks is the best anybody can do in America until wrestling is cool again. which is fine. selling out small/medium houses may be all it takes to pay the bills and keep the lights on. but WWE sells to laymen as well as smarks. you have to appeal to more than just enthusiasts if you're going to compete with someone who appeals to more than just enthusiasts .
i'm not arguing against sustainability. i'm arguing against y'all getting wide eyed and banking on this being the thing that finally makes Vince loosen his tie and roll up his sleeves again.
You must not be paying attention, but outside WWE right now is ‘hot’ and talent are making enough money so they don’t need to go to WWE. NJPW is offering big money. Talent making more money on The indies, etc
The indy bubble is abouy to burst. Vince is about to lock down talent and too many indy feds with contracts are around now. AEW would have to do what Impact does and share talent.
Lmao at Nakamura jumping ship, that sounds like a pipe dream. Gallows and Anderson sure, but the show already from concept feels "nWo" enough for me to say... I need to see who ends up at AEW, because the Elite and CM Punk isn't enough for me to care to be honest.
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I don't like smarmy little shits whose only schtick is doing flips and being anti-establishment.
You're a little behind on Bucks criticism. Their new shtick is ~storytelling~
Matt has been selling a back injury he got at fucking Wrestle Kingdom (so January). It's really lame and I wish they'd go back to killing the business and preferably in a company I don't watch.
If you could be a little bit less transparent in your ridiculousness, that would be cool.Creator of the official Digimon: Digital Monsters community board!
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To the rest of yall shitting on Young Bucks, 2013 called, it wants that gimmick back.A board for armchair bookers
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/1453-pro-wrestling-be-the-bookerJanpei posted...The funny thing is, pat is the only one who has offered an accurate assessment on what the Young Bucks have actually been doing for the last 24 months.
To the rest of yall shitting on Young Bucks, 2013 called, it wants that gimmick back.
hey xxxxxx guy fanboying on the young bucks, 2013 called, it wants that gimmick backAdamLazaruso posted...JoCrazy posted...
- CM Punk has shown interest in working with them. From MMAFighting the other day: When asked directly if he’d entertain an offer to work for All Elite, Punk replied, “I would always listen. I would listen to them because … I like the Young Bucks, I text with Matt on and off. But business is business
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