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There was a story a month or 2 ago, where it was revealed Vince McMahon was scaling back his role within the company, which included no longer producing/attending Smackdown. Vince is still directing RAW most weeks.
So, if you are wonder what was up with the staggering difference quality between RAW & SDL this week, that may have been it. It'll be interesting to know whom is top backstage person at Smackdown when Vince isn't around. Shane?
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Jules Rules posted...
So that's why Mandy Rose hasn't been pushed It'll happen soon enough. The Miz is good at recognizing star power. |
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That's not true. He approves of everything that goes on for both shows. I don't where this narrative is coming from that people are trying to convince themselves Vince isn't in control of smackdown too. Based off what I've seen on Twitter smackdown looks just as shit as raw.
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So that's why it's boring and shit compared to raw
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Hardcore_Adult posted...
ssjmole posted...So that's why it's boring and shit compared to raw Yes. Have you seen smackdown?
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lilJoe457 posted...
That's not true. He approves of everything that goes on for both shows. I don't where this narrative is coming from that people are trying to convince themselves Vince isn't in control of smackdown too. Based off what I've seen on Twitter smackdown looks just as shit as raw. Have you actually seen the shows? There is a huge gap in the quality of the booking and smackdown's promos feel less scripted. Vince might be ok'ing the script but he's definitely not on hands on with smackdown these days and it shows.
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Vince has been scaling back or not in control of this or that so many times during the years. It's always revealed that it was never true and he was always controlling everything 100%.
Why would you think a control freak like Vince could scale back if he wanted to? Never has. Never will.
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lilJoe457 posted...
That's not true. He approves of everything that goes on for both shows. I don't where this narrative is coming from that people are trying to convince themselves Vince isn't in control of smackdown too. Based off what I've seen on Twitter smackdown looks just as shit as raw. If you watched you would see smackdown is leaps and bounds better then raw |
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Hardcore_Adult posted...
If you're honestly trying to tell me RAW is better than Smackdown right now, you're wasting your time. Agree to disagree but nearly everything on raw is better imo Commissioner Stephanie > Shane GM Corbin in role > Paige in role World Brock > Bryan Midcard title Seth Rollins > Nakamura Tag The bar > AOP Women's Ronda > becky Storylines = raw Ect..... Raw feels like a primetime wrestling show like WWE should. SD to me feels like impact wrestling not at it's worse but just before then.
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jjonc2003 posted...
Your opinion is different to mine and I can't handle it! Fixed
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ssjmole posted...
Hardcore_Adult posted...If you're honestly trying to tell me RAW is better than Smackdown right now, you're wasting your time. lol |
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I feel like he only said all that stuff about Raw being better just because he's a Steph stan.
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WarGreymon77 posted...
I feel like he only said all that stuff about Raw being better just because he's a Steph stan. No I prefer raw. I've mad it vocal in past but I think Brock and Ronda are the only 2 stars in modern era on the level of an Austin or rock but for modern times. I enjoy raw a lot more. Like SD AJ has had had how many feuds where he looks shit due to shenanigans etc. Just because people like something you dont, doesn't mean you need to try and lessen the option insult like Dez316. Adults can have discussions where people like different things. I didn't insult SD fans or lessen their opinions because "oh they just like *insert person*"
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@angleslam99 posted...
ssjmole posted...So that's why it's boring and shit compared to raw I never claim to speak for anyone but me. My opinions are just that , mine.
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ssjmole posted...
WarGreymon77 posted...I feel like he only said all that stuff about Raw being better just because he's a Steph stan. What is ect?
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ssjmole posted...
Storylines = raw just for fun, what storylines? |
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ShadowRaiden00 posted...
ssjmole posted...Storylines = raw Currently months I was enjoying Barron Corbin Vs Braun and will he keep his job. Love riot squad Vs natty storyline. Bliss been in charge of women's division opens lots of possible story's , I'm loving Seth Vs Dean and want to see where it goes. My favourite story of 2018 was Ronda Vs authority followed by undertaker Vs Hhh leading to brothers Vs DX. Brock Vs reigns and sheild Vs team Braun were great too
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Cage2004 posted...
RAW feels like a primetime wrestling show ? Hahaha. RAW feels like a primetime TV show trying it's hardest to win an Emmy award. Yeah, RAW feels more like a dumb variety show than an actual episode of TV. I don't know what storylines ssjmole sees. All I see are set-pieces with no real story behind them and guys yelling at each other all the time. Go back and watch a RAW or SmackDown from 2000. Specifically, around the time where Jericho beat Triple H on RAW. It feels like a TV show. That's storytelling right there. What we get today isn't. |
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RonWeassly posted...
I don't know what storylines ssjmole sees. 🤦♂ I literally said a bunch
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This board is literally filled with idiots. In what world is Smackdown better than Raw? The head writer sucks at his job, and comes up with the most lazy and stupid shit, while the raw writer tries to make shit interesting, but gets pissed on because AJ Styles isn't on his show. It's ridiculous.
AJ's been kicked in the balls all year. Samoa Joe may be the worst main eventer I've ever seen. Daniel Bryan's heel turn came out of nowhere, and made no god damn sense. The last time Smackdown was better than RAW was around wrestlemania 33. After that shakeup it all went to hell. The only thing that even has anything worth paying attention to is the stuff with Orton, Mysterio, and Hardy. The rest is garbage. Just because the matches are good, doesn't mean I'm gonna care, because it'll likely end in a dick kick.
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Death_Effect posted...
This board is literally filled with idiots. In what world is Smackdown better than Raw? The head writer sucks at his job, and comes up with the most lazy and stupid shit, while the raw writer tries to make shit interesting, but gets pissed on because AJ Styles isn't on his show. It's ridiculous. All of the stars and talent are on Smackdown.
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Death_Effect posted...
This board is literally filled with idiots. In what world is Smackdown better than Raw? The head writer sucks at his job, and comes up with the most lazy and stupid shit, while the raw writer tries to make shit interesting, but gets pissed on because AJ Styles isn't on his show. It's ridiculous. But at least matches don't involve a pee distraction.
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@Death_Effect
Without posting too much, RAW has objectively worse writing and logic than SmackDown. Both shows are boring, but SmackDown lately has had the Becky Lynch stuff as well as Orton, Mysterio, Hardy, Bryan, AJ, Joe and Miz. I'll admit, with such a great mid-card, SmackDown could have been so much better. I don't know how they can have a team like Sanity and NOT have them in an epic storyline like the Ministry. The same can be applied to Ember Moon on RAW. She has a great look but no character. Anyway, RAW is 3 hours of boredom and filler. SmackDown is way more tolerable at this point. At the end of the day, that's ultimately why SmackDown is better right now. It's just easier to watch. This company is creatively bankrupt. They give people cool attires, give them nick-names but can't tell a good story with it. |
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What makes a superstar have better talent than others, and under what category does it mean they're actually better?
SmackDown may have good gymnastics, but they have some of the worst acting I've ever seen in a TV show. It's like literally watching some B movie action film every week. Daniel Bryan, and AJ Styles as good as they are cannot act and keep a lot of people invested as top draws of the show. I blame both the writers, and the preformers. When Ambrose, Cena, Ziggler, Miz and Wyatt were there it was good, but when they left in the mixups, and Miz returned by himself he had nobody good left to tell good stories with. The writers botched his entire feud with Bryan. RAW has a slightly better cast of actors, and have I'd say equally good in ring talent. Ambrose, Elias, Ziggler, Wyatt, Corbin, Rollins, and McIntyre are some good actors. Balor, Ziggler, Rollins, McIntyre, Strowman, and Ambrose can all pay off their storylines by telling a story in the match, and not just don't false finish spots. RAW at least to me has a better direction of storylines, actors, and producers.
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Death_Effect posted...
Daniel Bryan, and AJ Styles as good as they are cannot act and keep a lot of people invested as top draws of the show. thats literally wrong as far as DB goes and you mentioned Ambrose, Cena, Ziggler, Miz and Wyatt? Wyatt once he won the belt was ass, Dean was ass, Ziggler is and still is the same as always...just there Cena is the only one I agree with, miss him deeply. But DB has already done better as a presence in 2 week than AJ did in a year Death_Effect posted... RAW has a slightly better cast of actors, and have I'd say equally good in ring talent. Ambrose, Elias, Ziggler, Wyatt, Corbin, Rollins, and McIntyre are some good actors. Balor, Ziggler, Rollins, McIntyre, Strowman, and Ambrose can all pay off their storylines by telling a story in the match Dean is still a joke, Seth is at best passable, Corbin is boring....period. I like his theme but he is so damn boring and most of this last Raw was him.. Wyatt is not even around, and very few people are more wooden than Strawman. Drew is the gem here, but hes bogged down by Corbin. I'm not sure what you've been seeing to think most of this. Especially Dean, who at one point seems to be legit pissed at Seth about his treatment and then hes doing comedy getting ass shots, Dean has done 0 to explain his issue outside alleged bad treatment and insinuating that god gave Rains cancer. Hes done a shit job explaining anything and thats cause there is no actual reason. |
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Dean Ambrose was a better world champion than Daniel Bryan, and was the best choice as the face of SmackDown after Cena went away in 2016. Dean Ambrose was a higher draw than Daniel Bryan, and AJ Styles at the time, and his house show records will prove this. Ambrose's single reign did better than Bryan's reigns, because Bryan has always been the same damn goofy cookie cutter character since 2010.
Ambrose has evolved multiple times, and is a character that keeps people interested. I'd make that argument for the Three Shield guys altogether. Ambrose, and Rollins should be this era's Austin, and Triple H. Strowman, McIntyre, and Ziggler are the supporting cast like Benoit, Angle, and Big show, and Elias is the Rock. They have potential to be that good Smackdown. I look at SmackDown and besides Orton, Hardy, and Mysterio. I see a bunch of Charlie Hass. Daniel Bryan, and AJ Styles are pretty much Dean Malenko status to me. I put it in comparisons from the AE to show you how these characters could be placed.
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RonWeassly posted...
@Death_Effect Ministry......epic? When you really look at things, they were just WWE's edgy version of the Dungeon of Doom
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JoCrazy posted...It'll be interesting to know whom is top backstage person at Smackdown when Vince isn't around. Shane?
It would likely be Paul Levesque if I was to believe this story to be true, which I don't.Bahamut knight zero posted...RonWeassly posted...
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Without posting too much, RAW has objectively worse writing and logic than SmackDown.
Both shows are boring, but SmackDown lately has had the Becky Lynch stuff as well as Orton, Mysterio, Hardy, Bryan, AJ, Joe and Miz.
I'll admit, with such a great mid-card, SmackDown could have been so much better. I don't know how they can have a team like Sanity and NOT have them in an epic storyline like the Ministry.
The same can be applied to Ember Moon on RAW. She has a great look but no character.
Anyway, RAW is 3 hours of boredom and filler. SmackDown is way more tolerable at this point. At the end of the day, that's ultimately why SmackDown is better right now. It's just easier to watch. This company is creatively bankrupt. They give people cool attires, give them nick-names but can't tell a good story with it.
Ministry......epic?
When you really look at things, they were just WWE's edgy version of the Dungeon of Doom
The Ministry storyline was only bad because of the ending. It had so much potential but went nowhere. It reminds me of a terrible reveal in some shows I've watched where the week to week story was fun, but the ending left a lot to be desired.
Stuff like Taker kidnapping Steph, threatening to break into the McMahon mansio , that stuff was fun to watch and provided us with real stories.
Denying how compelling it wasnisnjust crazy. Sanity needs stuff like that. Not saying they should be pinning people to crosses, but trying to take over the show, or some other stuff. They need to give people something instead of "I hate you! I want your title!"
They need to create the type of stories we see in TV dramas. That's all.Why does anyone bother to engage with smole anymore? His corporate shill gimmick jumped the shark a long time ago, there is zero reasonable posts coming from him concerning Raw.But he said it wasn't necessary and that he can open up a ticket for me.
But he said it wasn't necessary and that he can open up a ticket for me.@Death_EffectIt's like literally watching some B movie action film every week.
RAW feels that way too. Heck, WWE, even at its best is just a B action film like TV drama. We just want fun and great characters. When we don't have that, the product sucks. They're all mostly bad actors.Conception616 posted...Why does anyone bother to engage with smole anymore? His corporate shill gimmick jumped the shark a long time ago, there is zero reasonable posts coming from him concerning Raw.
it's ok,he use to like SD,ROH and TNA[?]
"You can't create a monster and then whine when he stomps on a few buildings."MilleniumWEAPON posted...There’s nothing epic about Eric Young
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