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C/D: CM Punk going the distance in the UFC makes his MMA career a success

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Looseifer 4 days ago#1
C/D: CM Punk going the distance in the UFC makes his MMA career a success - Results (145 votes)
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His UFC career has been a subject of controversy. What are your thoughts?
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JackBauer 4 days ago#3
He got humiliated for 3 rounds so badly that Rogan pondered if Mike Jackson was purposely dragging the fight out, and then Rogan had to apologize for the comment to end that fight. XD
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DarkSymbiote 4 days ago#4
He was impressively bad.
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I_ghosty 4 days ago#5
Don't see why (almost) everyone wants him to quit and give up already. Does everyone else give up a dream after two tries? I mean I get he got his ass kicked but why give up so soon, what if he did that with wrestling. Obviously things like this take time and practice. I personally hope he keeps going until he's satisfied.
Dana White was furious at Jackson for not ending it sooner.

Punk did NOT go the distance.
Raven_Cyarm 4 days ago#7
I_ghosty posted...
Obviously things like this take time and practice.


And youth, lol. He's an old man in a young man's sport. He doesn't need time... he needs LESS of it.
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JackBauer 4 days ago#8
EffectAndCause posted...
Dana White was furious at Jackson for not ending it sooner.

Punk did NOT go the distance.

And the sad thing is while Jackson does have a boxing background, he doesn't even consider himself an MMA fighter. They asked Jackson what's next for him and he said he's going back to journalism lmao.
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TheCurseX2 4 days ago#9
He got his training from the Homer Simpson school of, "let them hit you until they pass out."
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Dynedux 4 days ago#10
Mikey Gall finishing him in 2 minutes was a service to Punk. At least there was a small doubt that "well, we didn't see what he can do". We saw what he can do now, and none of it was good.
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I just saw an interview where Punk said something to the effect of "I trust my camp. I don't think that they'd tell me if I was improving if I wasn't." 

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JackBauer 4 days ago#13
SauI_Goodman posted...
I just saw an interview where Punk said something to the effect of "I trust my camp. I don't think that they'd tell me if I was improving if I wasn't." 

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I wanted to believe that was the case too, but Duke Roufus is exposed as a money grubbing piece of crap. Pat Barry and Thug Rose tried to warn us about him, but this only further proves their point.
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I'm a huge punk fan, and anyone voting yes is out of their mind

Good for him that he did it. He wanted to do it, and he did. That's good for him. But in the literal meaning of success, no
I_ghosty posted...
Don't see why (almost) everyone wants him to quit and give up already. Does everyone else give up a dream after two tries? I mean I get he got his ass kicked but why give up so soon, what if he did that with wrestling. Obviously things like this take time and practice. I personally hope he keeps going until he's satisfied.


Nobody wants him to quit. But it's like if someone started to learn how to play baseball by being drafted into the major leagues. Punk hasn't deserved to fight in the UFC and he sure as hell hasn't shown it. He is no natural. And he's even kinda snotty about competing at a small time level. Even if Dana is serious about him not being with the UFC anymore, Punk will just roll over to another major promotion. Bobby Lashley, Brock Lesnar, Batista, and numerous others started at a smaller level even though they had starpower.
Lawn_Dart 4 days ago#16
There is no moral victory from getting clowned for 3 rounds by a photographer unless his name was Peter Parker.
He needs new trainers and a new camp. I didn’t see any kind of gameplan. Nothing seemed to play to his strengths (if any). And he fought at a weight class so low that he looked like a cancer patient at the weigh in. Cutting 20 lbs for a fight is not good for you.
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Lawn_Dart posted...
There is no moral victory from getting clowned for 3 rounds by a photographer unless his name was Peter Parker.


Dude even took a selfie when he got his arm raised. Now he can remember the one and only time he won in the UFC.
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Dynedux 4 days ago#19
I_ghosty posted...
Don't see why (almost) everyone wants him to quit and give up already. Does everyone else give up a dream after two tries? I mean I get he got his ass kicked but why give up so soon, what if he did that with wrestling. Obviously things like this take time and practice. I personally hope he keeps going until he's satisfied.


He's 39 with no athletic background and no natural aptitude for fighting. At the rate he's shown his learning curve to be, by the time he becomes a capable fighter he will be 50.

How much damage can a middle aged persons head take? What is it doing to his brain? What is it doing to him mentally and emotionally? I like punk, I don't want to see him become broken. 

Train in martial arts the right way, earn belts, cross train with various styles but please, don't fight in a mixed martial arts arena anymore.
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JackBauer 4 days ago#20
AndreLeGeant posted...
He needs new trainers and a new camp. I didn’t see any kind of gameplan. Nothing seemed to play to his strengths (if any).

His game plan was to grapple as Mike Jackson actually has a boxing background.

Unfortunately for Punk, his BJJ also happens to suck just as bad as Mike Jackson's.
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AndreLeGeant posted...
He needs new trainers and a new camp. I didn’t see any kind of gameplan. Nothing seemed to play to his strengths (if any). And he fought at a weight class so low that he looked like a cancer patient at the weigh in. Cutting 20 lbs for a fight is not good for you.


Yeah but the advantage it would give you is huge.
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AndreLeGeant posted...
He needs new trainers and a new camp. I didn’t see any kind of gameplan. Nothing seemed to play to his strengths (if any). And he fought at a weight class so low that he looked like a cancer patient at the weigh in. Cutting 20 lbs for a fight is not good for you.


Yeah but the advantage it would give you is huge.

I don’t think so. Cutting weight like that weakens your body a lot. On top of that, MMA offers so many tools where technique can make up for size.
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Punk is like 5'11 and doesnt have a lot of musle. 170 doesn't seem like drastic weight for him. Sounds about right
not__shawn__z posted...
Punk is like 5'11 and doesnt have a lot of musle. 170 doesn't seem like drastic weight for him. Sounds about right

20 lbs is a lot. He was walking around at 190 when wrestling and that was after cutting weight. He got up to 220 when he debuted. He’s really not a small guy in terms of frame. His face looked super haggard in the weigh ins. 

I for one hate how weight cutting entered UFC. It didn’t used to be such a part.
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JimPean 4 days ago#25
AndreLeGeant posted...
not__shawn__z posted...
Punk is like 5'11 and doesnt have a lot of musle. 170 doesn't seem like drastic weight for him. Sounds about right

20 lbs is a lot. He was walking around at 190 when wrestling and that was after cutting weight. He got up to 220 when he debuted. He’s really not a small guy in terms of frame. His face looked super haggard in the weigh ins. 

I for one hate how weight cutting entered UFC. It didn’t used to be such a part.

No way was he stepping in to the middleweight division. He doesn't have the frame for it. We're talking builds like Whittaker, Rockhold, Weidman, Gastelum, etc. The extra weight he carried when he came into the WWE would not transition well into UFC. He'd gas after touching gloves.
AndreLeGeant posted...
not__shawn__z posted...
Punk is like 5'11 and doesnt have a lot of musle. 170 doesn't seem like drastic weight for him. Sounds about right

20 lbs is a lot. He was walking around at 190 when wrestling and that was after cutting weight. He got up to 220 when he debuted. He’s really not a small guy in terms of frame. His face looked super haggard in the weigh ins. 

I for one hate how weight cutting entered UFC. It didn’t used to be such a part.


Eh idk man, you're better off at 5'11 170 than 5'11 220. Punk really doesn't have the muscle to be pulling off an optimal 220. He didn't look terrible, but it was clearly a lot of body fat
JimPean 4 days ago#27
not__shawn__z posted...
but it was clearly a lot of body fat

Exactly. That weight would kill him in the octagon. More so than his age already did.
We are talking a guy fighting a can though. I dunno a guy who walks around 190 cutting 21 lbs isn’t a wise thing. And like I said I hate weight cutting. It needs to be banned from all sports.
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AndreLeGeant posted...
We are talking a guy fighting a can though. I dunno a guy who walks around 190 cutting 21 lbs isn’t a wise thing. And like I said I hate weight cutting. It needs to be banned from all sports.


I think you hate it so much it might be clouding your judgment. There isn't really anything so abnormal about a fighter cutting 20lbs
not__shawn__z posted...
AndreLeGeant posted...
We are talking a guy fighting a can though. I dunno a guy who walks around 190 cutting 21 lbs isn’t a wise thing. And like I said I hate weight cutting. It needs to be banned from all sports.


I think you hate it so much it might be clouding your judgment. There isn't really anything so abnormal about a fighter cutting 20lbs

Except being gassed. Cutting weight is well known to weaken even fighters who are used to it.
"Not only is Andre way smarter than you, he's also way smarter than you think you are." - SaikyoStyle
None of that changes the fact that these fighters regularly cut the same amount of weight that you're claiming is insane
not__shawn__z posted...
None of that changes the fact that these fighters regularly cut the same amount of weight that you're claiming is insane

Punk has no experience doing it. And actual pro fighters have had sub par outings because of cutting weight. It’s unhealthy and doesn’t help anyone because when everyone does it no one gets a real advantage.
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JimPean 4 days ago#33
You're more likely to lack extra power than gassing out. GSP recently went up to avoid cutting and his cardio was fucked. If Bisping wasn't half blind and in the twilight of his career, GSP doesn't make it out of that fight.
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I_ghosty posted...
Don't see why (almost) everyone wants him to quit and give up already. Does everyone else give up a dream after two tries? I mean I get he got his ass kicked but why give up so soon, what if he did that with wrestling. Obviously things like this take time and practice. I personally hope he keeps going until he's satisfied.


He's turning 40 this year, has no athletic background and has a ton of wear and tear on his body after wrestling for two decades. Just cause it's a dream doesn't mean it's a feasible one.
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Blue_Target 3 days ago#35
He seems happy so i guess it's successful in his opinion.
Collat 3 days ago#36
He would have looked better in that fight if he got knocked out with one punch in the first round.
laundrysucks  obvious nitpicker ATTENTION3 days ago#37
I guess it's better than getting lit up in the first round and giving up... but no.
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Blue_Target posted...
He seems happy so i guess it's successful in his opinion.


He got paid a million plus to just go out there and get his ass kicked. I'd be smiling too. Especially knowing you made probably over 10x more than the guy who beat you.
Trayvon  crap eater2 days ago#39
instead of weight, why not just match fighters up by height

then let them pack on and become as strong as possible in their body frames?
nurnberg 2 days ago#40
I saw improvements in CM Punk's fighting style, but I think he would fit more on local shows with unknown guys or amateur fights. That's probably the level of skill he should fight at.
He may have technically failed but to Punk, he was successful. And I respect that. He has such a healthy and positive outlook on this in spite of all the negativity (not to mention Jackson's showboating) that I can't help but be happy for him.
That LITERAL crybaby ass bitch should stick to what he's good at,and thats wrestling and still NOT headlining Wrestlemania. CM Bitch would be a nobody without professional wrestling.
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lilhurk1985187 posted...
That LITERAL crybaby ass bitch should stick to what he's good at,and thats wrestling and still NOT headlining Wrestlemania. CM Bitch would be a nobody without professional wrestling.

Textbook triggered
digUbetterdead posted...
He may have technically failed but to Punk, he was successful. And I respect that. He has such a healthy and positive outlook on this in spite of all the negativity (not to mention Jackson's showboating) that I can't help but be happy for him.

Loser mentality
sharpcage 1 day ago#45
Lmao what????
STEROLIZER 1 day ago#47
Jackson got two 10-8 rounds...

... I'm not sure that's ever happened before.
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C Redfield 1 day ago#48
That was not going the distance. That would be like if during the end fight in Rock. Rocky got knocked out in the first round and Apollo just carried him on his shoulders for 14.
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Master Alien posted...
digUbetterdead posted...
He may have technically failed but to Punk, he was successful. And I respect that. He has such a healthy and positive outlook on this in spite of all the negativity (not to mention Jackson's showboating) that I can't help but be happy for him.

Loser mentality

It's a healthy mentality. You won't always win in life and it's good to be able to accept that and not dwell on it.
Aloner 1 day ago#50
His career was a success because he made a bunch of money regardless, but it fell embarrassingly below expectations.
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