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Women like Sunny, Sable, and Torrie Wilson draw crowds, bro. It's the truth, Steve. Look at how dead the crowds are for the women matches now compared to the Attitude Era. This politically correct culture is killing wrestling buyrates, bro.
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Never listen to bestoffuture he always misquotes my show
Source: The Steve Austin Show Unleashed
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Women's wrestling has never been a draw.
This will always be true unless there is some paradigm shift in reality we don't know about takes place. . . |
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Shut up, Saxon.
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ssjmole posted...
Never listen to bestoffuture he always misquotes my show I chuckled. |
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Vince Russo isn't drawing any fans either
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snoochtonooch posted...
Vince Russo isn't drawing any fans either He did during his time in WWF, however you may want to ignore his place in that time period. His ideas were golden, as long as they were monitored and toned down. Its only when he went to TNA/WCW that they became too much. |
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Name 1 thing in WWE that is drawing new fans right now.
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Ivany2008 posted...
snoochtonooch posted... Stone Cold and the rock drew during Vince Russo's time in WWE. He went along for the ride. His entire 99 and post wwe career showed how valuable he really was
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TC has the best gimmick here.
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I would rather watch incredible women like Asuka, Sasha, Charlotte, Ember, and more kicking ass in the ring than see some embarrassing, sloppy, three minute match from women like Ashley, Candice, Torrie, and Sable.
The women today > The women back then
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n00bsaib0t posted...
TC has the best gimmick here. I love it.
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GameGodOfAll posted...
Name 1 thing in WWE that is drawing new fans right now. I think that's Russo's point.
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The reality is, though, WWE is kind of in a position where "drawing new fans" isn't really possible. Wrestling, as a whole, is an extremely niche product, and the general population is going to be naturally biased against it no matter what, because "it's wrestling, and wrestling is stupid".
And for all the stuff people talk about "what draws" and "what doesn't", wrestling has been doing that stuff for a while, and it's still been declining. WWE was losing viewers when women like Kelly Kelly and Eve Torres and Candice Michelle were the most pushed women. WWE was losing viewers with guys like Cena, and Batista, and Orton, and Del Rio, and Sheamus (as in, the "guys who look like wrestlers") on top. Some people like to go "WWE is losing viewers because it's focusing too much on wrestling, and there's too many indie nerds that don't look the part!", but none of that specifically contributes to WWE losing viewership. WWE has been losing viewership because, regardless of the talent they have, they simply don't know how to put on compelling television anymore, and viewers don't have the interest or energy to watch 5-8 hours of WWE TV every single week when it's not even compelling TV to begin with. Not because guys like Kevin Owens and Finn Balor are running around, not because the women are focusing more on wrestling than sex appeal, but because the writing just isn't compelling at all.
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snoochtonooch posted...
Ivany2008 posted... Somebody had to write them into great segments and storylines to get over huge with the casuals. They were there in 1996, 2001 and 2002 yet the ratings (and their creative) were poor. That's why if they were there now, the casuals wouldn't care because the writing is horrible. You think Austin in a backstage segment with Stephanie standing in front of that dumb curtain that's supposed to be an office is getting him over like the stuff in 1997-1999? When you think Austin you think of the beer bath, the zamboni, tearing up the titantron and stunning Vince. When you think of Rock during Russo's time, you think of how well he was protected in 1998, before being given one of the best swerves in wrestling that resulted in him joining the Corporation. That stuff isn't happening with a Cornette or a Prichard, or dare I say it, Paul Heyman. It 100% isn't happening with McMahon or Road Dogg lol.
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MRW1215 posted...
The reality is, though, WWE is kind of in a position where "drawing new fans" isn't really possible. Wrestling, as a whole, is an extremely niche product, and the general population is going to be naturally biased against it no matter what, because "it's wrestling, and wrestling is stupid". This. Especially the boldfaced stuff.
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Heatseeker500 posted...
snoochtonooch posted... When I think Austin I think wife beater When I think the rock I think rock concert and movies
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ssjmole posted...
Heatseeker500 posted... During the Attitude Era? Ok, I guess I was wrong.
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While I don't think it is a draw per se, I do think that it generates a positive look for the company. I really don't think Sable or Sunny were "draws," they just generated publicity. The same IMO is true for WWE being more progressive in featuring female talent. However, they're overdoing it.
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AndreLeGeant posted...
While I don't think it is a draw per se, I do think that it generates a positive look for the company. I really don't think Sable or Sunny were "draws," they just generated publicity. The same IMO is true for WWE being more progressive in featuring female talent. However, they're overdoing it. I'd be willing to bet that a portion of the viewers in mid-1998 were tuning in to see Sable, especially during her bikini feud with Jacqueline. Sunny not so much because she wasn't featured as prominently which I always thought was a waste but I could definitely see it with Sable.
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Heatseeker500 posted...
ssjmole posted... Just during that era? No I looked at Austin same I do reigns or Cena annoying super man booking. Rock I never thought well protected just fun
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AndreLeGeant posted...
While I don't think it is a draw per se, I do think that it generates a positive look for the company. I really don't think Sable or Sunny were "draws," they just generated publicity. The same IMO is true for WWE being more progressive in featuring female talent. However, they're overdoing it. @AndreLeGeant Oh Sable was a legitimate draw for sure. Her segments drew ratings. Sunny, not so much.
When this baby hits 88 miles per hour, you're going to see some serious ****.
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I mean he's right.
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Russo also made sure that everyone on the roster had a storyline, there were no real blank slate matches like Curt Hawkins or Asuka has. Everyone had a purpose.
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MRW1215 posted...
The reality is, though, WWE is kind of in a position where "drawing new fans" isn't really possible. Wrestling, as a whole, is an extremely niche product, and the general population is going to be naturally biased against it no matter what, because "it's wrestling, and wrestling is stupid". I think the WWE can definitely get new fans but the problem is that who do they have that can appeal to mainstream audiences. None of the wrestlers or characters feel like must see. They are all one dimensional characters who dont do much and who have that WWE branding (IE the artist Shinsuke Nakamura). If WWE wants to be more stories than wrestling they need to have characters and storylines that people want to see. That make people want to come back for more.
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Yeah tbh idgaf about the women's division. Only good part about is that I can create female characters in the WWE games and some of the chicks do look hot. Still, men's wrestling is more exciting.
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This wrestling won’t generate new fans. I’m up to just after WM15 Raw and it’s awesome. It feels like a chaotic party with actual drama. It’s not perfect but for kinda campy, chaotic drama, it’s great.
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AndreLeGeant posted...
This wrestling won’t generate new fans. I’m up to just after WM15 Raw and it’s awesome. It feels like a chaotic party with actual drama. It’s not perfect but for kinda campy, chaotic drama, it’s great. Right? SummerSlam 98 to wm15 was the most entertaining wrestling ever was.
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It’s a party. That’s what each show feels like.
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Bestoffuture posted...
Shut up, Saxon. I read that as “Shut up, Saxton” in Corey Graves’ voice lol. |
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Bullshit statement I actually know a female coworker who started watching because of it.
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ssjmole posted...
Heatseeker500 posted... During Russo's time, particularly in 1998 Rock was extremely well protected (and in the process, so was Shamrock) Royal Rumble 1998 Rock puts the brass knucks in Shamrock's trunks. Ref reverses decision after Rock loses and tells the ref Shamrock cheated to win. Rock keeps the IC belt WrestleMania 14 Rock taps out but Shamrock refuses to let go of the hold. Ref reverses decision. Rock keeps the IC belt Fully Loaded 1998 Rock is beat after taking a Pedigree at 1-1, but the time expires. Rock keeps the IC belt. SummerSlam 1998 Rock takes a low blow from Chyna as him and HHH fight it out on the ladder for the finish to finally lose the IC belt Following SummerSlam Rock then went on a winning streak going into Survivor Series where he turned heel.
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I enjoyed watching Trish vs Stephanie at No Way Out 2001 over every single match WWE has put out since this “revolution”.
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Heatseeker500 posted...
Following SummerSlam Rock then went on a winning streak going into Survivor Series where he turned heel. Not entirely true, although he obviously had a streak in the Deadly Game tournament itself. He did have his losses against D'Lo and Mark Henry, but he was protected there too with stuff like D'Lo holding his feet while Henry hit the splash.
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n00bsaib0t posted...
Heatseeker500 posted... I forgot about that. I was thinking more along the lines of the battle royal on Heat (I think it was on Heat) and the cage match.
Man is like a piece of cheese...
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