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New details on WWE potentially moving to FOX & why FOX could buy WWE

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Scorsese2002 2 days ago#1
http://www.wrestlinginc.com/wi/news/2018/0112/635814/news-on-wwe-potentially-moving-to-fox-and-moving-back-to-two/

On January of 1993, WWE launched the Monday Night Raw series on the USA Network. They continued their relationship with USA until 2000, before moving to TNN/Spike TV until 2005. WWE returned to USA in 2005, and went to three hours in 2012. 

There has been much speculation of WWE possibly moving to a new network, or at least commencing a bidding war to land the most profitable slot. Their deals with NBC Universal, which includes RAW and SmackDown (as well as Tribute To The Troops), expire on September 30, 2019, however WWE CFO George Barrios said that the company hopes to announce their U.S. distribution plans between May and September of this year. WWE's current contract with NBC Universal generated $180 million last year.

Months ago, Triple H had a meeting with the executives of FOX Sports about potentially airing WWE product on their network. The reason for the potential move would be due to UFC possibly leaving FOX, which would leave space open for another combat sport to fill. WWE has worked with FOX in the past, and the network aired a couple of episodes of Saturday Night's Main Event in the 90s, as well as a WrestleMania 11 special in 1995.

Dave Meltzer reported in the latest edition of The Wrestling Observer Newsletter that there is also discussion of FOX possibly buying WWE, which would mean that the network would have them for good. This would also mean that rights fees would not be an issue moving forward, similar to what Viacom did with buying Bellator. Viacom has also shown some interest in having a pro wrestling show on their channels, but that interest does not necessarily involve WWE. 

According to Meltzer, one person close to the situation believes McMahon is not selling his majority interest just yet. If the shares hit $40, Vince would be able to sell small pieces of it while maintaining full voting control. Since McMahon launched Alpha Entertainment, one may wonder if he decided to start a new company based on the aforementioned factors.

It was noted that if WWE does move to FOX, Raw could return to two hours, most likely from 8pm - 10pm. This is due to most FOX stations having a newscast at 10pm. SmackLive Live would move over to FS1, with WWE putting more content on FS1 and FS2 to boost ratings. Although moving to FOX would be a significant jump in potential viewership for Raw, SmackDown Live going to FS1 would actually be a drop in the potential viewers. 

Of course, if FOX resumes their relationship with UFC, these discussions would become less likely, and WWE would most likely maintain airing on USA. However, the idea of FOX having two combat sports programs on their channels is not an impossible concept. The $200 million per deal that FOX has with UFC is not a significant increase from what USA is paying WWE, but one analyst predicts that the number of bidders could get WWE's price to $400 million. Although UFC has talked of $400-$450 million, people close to the situation have told the Wrestling Observer that they do not believe the deal with go that high.
I know most people are excited about the possible return to 2 hours.

I'm not one of those people.

We would never get free TV matches like Roman/Joe on a 2 hour Raw, not with a roster as big as Raw.
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you wouldn’t need a big roster anymore, and you could build to good matches instead of having them as simply a means to fill time
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you wouldn’t need a big roster anymore, and you could build to good matches instead of having them as simply a means to fill time


Okay, well what happens to the roster? They just disappear?
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release the dead weight or cycle out talent like NXT
Haddes911 2 days ago#6
This won't happen.
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ad_Talking_He posted...
release the dead weight or cycle out talent like NXT


Who exactly is "dead weight" on Raw?

Cycling out talent is NOT gonna happen on Raw lol.
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ssjmole 2 days ago#8
My thoughts are 2 hours us much better let's drop the cruiserweights and make raw solid again.

If fox will wwe be featured in Disney world? That's just cause have trip planned for this year lol
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ssjmole posted...
My thoughts are 2 hours us much better let's drop the cruiserweights and make raw solid again.

If fox will wwe be featured in Disney world? That's just cause have trip planned for this year lol


Replace the hall of presidents with Hall of WWE Champions. Animatronic John Cena telling you that you can't see him. It would be amazing. 

Obviously Ric Flair's Space Mountain too.
matthardyrules posted...
ad_Talking_He posted...
release the dead weight or cycle out talent like NXT


Who exactly is "dead weight" on Raw?

Cycling out talent is NOT gonna happen on Raw lol.


The entire cruiserweight division except Enzo
Titus O’Neil
Apollo Crewe
Alicia Fox 
Dana Brooke
Big Show
Curt Hawkins
R-Truth 
Goldust
ssjmole 2 days ago#11
lv54spacemonkey posted...
ssjmole posted...
My thoughts are 2 hours us much better let's drop the cruiserweights and make raw solid again.

If fox will wwe be featured in Disney world? That's just cause have trip planned for this year lol


Replace the hall of presidents with Hall of WWE Champions. Animatronic John Cena telling you that you can't see him. It would be amazing. 

Obviously Ric Flair's Space Mountain too.


LOL I meant more selling WWE tshirts and such. Though haunted mansion featuring undertaker .... I'd pay to see that :p
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ad_Talking_He posted...
matthardyrules posted...
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Who exactly is "dead weight" on Raw?

Cycling out talent is NOT gonna happen on Raw lol.


The entire cruiserweight division except Enzo
Titus O’Neil
Apollo Crewe
Alicia Fox 
Dana Brooke
Big Show
Curt Hawkins
R-Truth 
Goldust


Everyone you listed combined doesn't nearly take up an hour of Raw lol.
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because the roster isn’t even that big, they could easily make it work with what they’ve got with a two hour show and it’s be much better for it 

those guys I listed are dead weight now, with loads of a time to fill, so yeah I imagine they’d be released if it ever went back down
Serious Cat 2 days ago#14
ssjmole posted...

If fox will wwe be featured in Disney world?

Why would it be? Disney isn't buying the Fox network or the sports channels.
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KeJo6 2 days ago#15
matthardyrules posted...
I know most people are excited about the possible return to 2 hours.

I'm not one of those people.

We would never get free TV matches like Roman/Joe on a 2 hour Raw, not with a roster as big as Raw.


They should be building to big matches for PPV anyway.
ssjmole 2 days ago#16
Serious Cat posted...
ssjmole posted...

If fox will wwe be featured in Disney world?

Why would it be? Disney isn't buying the Fox network or the sports channels.


No but their partnership I thought may open it as not buying fox network but the studios which some make content for the TV. So figured may be allowed
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AlCalavicci 2 days ago#17
Put it on the fucking network
RonWeassly 2 days ago#18
If this move happens, SmackDown must be on FOX or at least go back to the CW and air live on there. At this point, the CW could definitely use WWE again. FS1 will be the death of the brand. If anything, NXT should be put on FS1 as a trial run.

And Fox/Disney will be complete idiots if they let UFC go.


We would never get free TV matches like Roman/Joe on a 2 hour Raw, not with a roster as big as Raw.


You can still have good matches but they'll be faster paced. Longer matches will be saved for the main event. These matches don't matter without a great story to back it up.
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ssjmole 2 days ago#19
RonWeassly posted...
If this move happens, SmackDown must be on FOX or at least go back to the CW and air live on there. At this point, the CW could definitely use WWE again. FS1 will be the death of the brand. If anything, NXT should be put on FS1 as a trial run.

And Fox/Disney will be complete idiots if they let UFC go.


We would never get free TV matches like Roman/Joe on a 2 hour Raw, not with a roster as big as Raw.


You can still have good matches but they'll be faster paced. Longer matches will be saved for the main event. These matches don't matter without a great story to back it up.


CW is doing well with it's superheroes to be fair
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RonWeassly 2 days ago#20
AlCalavicci posted...
Put it on the fucking network


WWE will slowly die if SD & RAW is only aired live on the Network. I'm not paying for that Network and neither will millions of people.
RonWeassly 2 days ago#21
ssjmole posted...
RonWeassly posted...
If this move happens, SmackDown must be on FOX or at least go back to the CW and air live on there. At this point, the CW could definitely use WWE again. FS1 will be the death of the brand. If anything, NXT should be put on FS1 as a trial run.

And Fox/Disney will be complete idiots if they let UFC go.

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You can still have good matches but they'll be faster paced. Longer matches will be saved for the main event. These matches don't matter without a great story to back it up.


CW is doing well with it's superheroes to be fair


Its flagship show Arrow is going down the tubes. The Flash has become the A show but isn't as good as it used to be and Supergirl is in danger of being canceled. Black Lighting will do well though IMO, especially with the Black Panther hype. 

Legends is okay. But CW could really use live content. SmackDown would fit being live on Tuesdays and it would take the show back to its broadcast roots.
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AlCalavicci 2 days ago#22
RonWeassly posted...
AlCalavicci posted...
Put it on the fucking network


WWE will slowly die if SD & RAW is only aired live on the Network. I'm not paying for that Network and neither will millions of people.


I didn't say exclusively

And yes, I'm aware that it will affect many things financially, but I'd selfishly like it on the Network

I'm sick of paying for expensive cable and only watching a couple of channels so I can catch RAW/SDL and whatever else I watch

I should stop complaining and just settle for watching it late on Hulu ;_;
BrownGotti 2 days ago#23
AlCalavicci posted...
RonWeassly posted...
AlCalavicci posted...
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WWE will slowly die if SD & RAW is only aired live on the Network. I'm not paying for that Network and neither will millions of people.


I didn't say exclusively

And yes, I'm aware that it will affect many things financially, but I'd selfishly like it on the Network

I'm sick of paying for expensive cable and only watching a couple of channels so I can catch RAW/SDL and whatever else I watch

I should stop complaining and just settle for watching it late on Hulu ;_;


WWE should have kept their original promise with RAW / SmackDown immediately being on the network after their broadcasts.
RonWeassly 2 days ago#24
AlCalavicci posted...
RonWeassly posted...
AlCalavicci posted...
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WWE will slowly die if SD & RAW is only aired live on the Network. I'm not paying for that Network and neither will millions of people.


I didn't say exclusively

And yes, I'm aware that it will affect many things financially, but I'd selfishly like it on the Network

I'm sick of paying for expensive cable and only watching a couple of channels so I can catch RAW/SDL and whatever else I watch

I should stop complaining and just settle for watching it late on Hulu ;_;


That's never gonna happen. Any network wants people watching their commercials on their channel.
RonWeassly 2 days ago#25
WWE should have kept their original promise with RAW / SmackDown immediately being on the network after their broadcasts.


How could they promise this when there's no way USA would have ever agreed?
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ad_Talking_He posted...
matthardyrules posted...
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Who exactly is "dead weight" on Raw?

Cycling out talent is NOT gonna happen on Raw lol.


The entire cruiserweight division except Enzo
Titus O’Neil
Apollo Crewe
Alicia Fox 
Dana Brooke
Big Show
Curt Hawkins
R-Truth 
Goldust

I agree with this except for Alicia Fox and some of the Cruiserweights.
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Mizerous 2 days ago#28
At least two hours would go faster, and cut out extra time for programs. Would also make ppv's feel more special again.
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BrownGotti posted...
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RonWeassly posted...
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I didn't say exclusively

And yes, I'm aware that it will affect many things financially, but I'd selfishly like it on the Network

I'm sick of paying for expensive cable and only watching a couple of channels so I can catch RAW/SDL and whatever else I watch

I should stop complaining and just settle for watching it late on Hulu ;_;


WWE should have kept their original promise with RAW / SmackDown immediately being on the network after their broadcasts.


Where was this original promise?
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MRW1215 2 days ago#30
I don't expect anything to actually happen here; most likely, WWE will probably remain with USA, and nothing changes.

That said, Raw going back to two hours in a move would be great. I don't really get why people act like it'd be a bad thing. As it is, WWE can't write 5 hours of compelling TV every week. They just can't. Yes, losing an hour would mean some workers are featured less, and maybe lose their jobs altogether, but as it is, there's just too much "nothing" on Raw every week.

Balance out the rosters, maybe treat NXT like a full fledged brand and move some talent over there (maybe give it an extra hour), and things could balance out alright.
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RonWeassly 2 days ago#31
MRW1215 posted...
I don't expect anything to actually happen here; most likely, WWE will probably remain with USA, and nothing changes.

That said, Raw going back to two hours in a move would be great. I don't really get why people act like it'd be a bad thing. As it is, WWE can't write 5 hours of compelling TV every week. They just can't. Yes, losing an hour would mean some workers are featured less, and maybe lose their jobs altogether, but as it is, there's just too much "nothing" on Raw every week.

Balance out the rosters, maybe treat NXT like a full fledged brand and move some talent over there (maybe give it an extra hour), and things could balance out alright.


USA aired NXT during Holiday week on their own accord. So maybe if WWE wants NXT on USA, that can serve as their 5th hour instead. 

And yes, the loss of three hours will mean less people but that's the way it has to be. SmackDown right now though is also having trouble balancing stuff out and looks like the developmental brand instead of a full fledged A show because of it. RAW won't necessarily get better.
MRW1215 2 days ago#32
RonWeassly posted...
SmackDown right now though is also having trouble balancing stuff out and looks like the developmental brand instead of a full fledged A show because of it. RAW won't necessarily get better.


Sure, two hours alone wouldn't make Raw better. But it'd be a lot easier to sit through two hours of "meh" over three hours of "meh". And while it wouldn't happen overnight, over time, it would force WWE to try to balance out the rosters and figure out how to use their time better. Cut down on the replays and rehashing, have segments get more to the point instead of being drawn out to fill time, have "C" shows on the Network (like Superstars/ Main Event) for guys like Jason Jordan and Elias to work on.

WWE could really stand to tighten up its programming, but that's never going to happen if Raw continues being three hours, and it'd only get worse if that rumor about USA wanting SD to go three hours turns out to be true, as well. Right now, they have to fill too much time, and there's no sense of urgency, and too much filler and padding. At least cutting some of that out would make it less tedious to watch.
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matthardyrules posted...
I know most people are excited about the possible return to 2 hours.

I'm not one of those people.

We would never get free TV matches like Roman/Joe on a 2 hour Raw, not with a roster as big as Raw.

Then you're foolish. Those matches could be properly built for PPV, like they should be. Cruisers could be cut and a lot of the dead weight on the show would be trimmed.
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2 hour Raw with 205 Live after it on WWE Netowrk.

2 hour SD with a Women's show after it on WWE Network.

Make it happen, Vince.
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GPRailroad 2 days ago#35
matthardyrules posted...
ad_Talking_He posted...
you wouldn’t need a big roster anymore, and you could build to good matches instead of having them as simply a means to fill time


Okay, well what happens to the roster? They just disappear?
That would be nice. It's not like WWE is doing anything of note with most of their wrestlers anyway. At least 60% of their roster just seems to be... there.
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matthardyrules posted...
I know most people are excited about the possible return to 2 hours.

I'm not one of those people.

We would never get free TV matches like Roman/Joe on a 2 hour Raw, not with a roster as big as Raw.

Then you're foolish. Those matches could be properly built for PPV, like they should be. Cruisers could be cut and a lot of the dead weight on the show would be trimmed.


I forgot how magical two hour RAW was with all its long term booking and fleshed out PPV matches.
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RCP3_04 1 day ago#37
Screw Fox, needs to stay on USA at 3 hours
StrangeJourney posted...
2 hour Raw with 205 Live after it on WWE Netowrk.

2 hour SD with a Women's show after it on WWE Network.

Make it happen, Vince.


How about 
2 hour RAW with WWE Main Event live after it on WWE Network
This new version of Main Event would basically be like that 3rd hour of RAW
2 hour SmackDown with a Women's show after on the WWE Network
Longer NXT with the Cruiserweights included. The Cruiserweights would also still be apart of RAW.
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Adrastos17 1 day ago#39
I hope the McMahon family stays in charge of the product because we know what happened with WCW
MRW1215 posted...
I don't expect anything to actually happen here; most likely, WWE will probably remain with USA, and nothing changes.

That said, Raw going back to two hours in a move would be great. I don't really get why people act like it'd be a bad thing. As it is, WWE can't write 5 hours of compelling TV every week. They just can't. Yes, losing an hour would mean some workers are featured less, and maybe lose their jobs altogether, but as it is, there's just too much "nothing" on Raw every week.

Balance out the rosters, maybe treat NXT like a full fledged brand and move some talent over there (maybe give it an extra hour), and things could balance out alright.


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matthardyrules posted...
I know most people are excited about the possible return to 2 hours.

I'm not one of those people.

We would never get free TV matches like Roman/Joe on a 2 hour Raw, not with a roster as big as Raw.

by most people you must mean anyone that would prefer a higher quality show, including the people that make the show
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WWE should have kept their original promise with RAW / SmackDown immediately being on the network after their broadcasts.


Because that's totally WWE's call and not the network they're on.
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