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Inspired by my other topic.
Do you think Batista was the last true star the WWE created? By "true star" I mean a wrestler who was built up organically until he got over enough to be turned into a main eventer, had the trigger pulled on them and received their much-awaited crowning moment. Thinking chronologically, I say Batista is the last true star of the WWE since Cena's match against JBL happened before Batista's match with HHH, the main event of WM21. Since 2005, the WWE had plenty of potential stars they could've made main eventers and big stars on or above the level of Batista but they've failed each time for one reason or another. The notable examples include: CM Punk (2011): Doused the fire of the Summer of Punk, the hottest thing in wrestling since the Invasion 10 years prior, in a number of ways but specifically by how they booked his match with Cena at Summerslam, having him lose to HHH a month later for no reason and with no rematch and giving him the title back at Survivor Series only to be booked like a midcarder for practically all of 2012 versus the likes of Cena, Rock, Lesnar, HHH and even Big Show and John Laurinaitis. Daniel Bryan (2013/2014): Let's be honest, the reason Bryan won the WWE Title at Mania 30 is because the WWE's hand was forced. They did well with his booking all the way up to the Royal Rumble where they didn't even have him in the match and had to call a hasty audible to shoehorn him into the Mania main event which he rightfully won but then the WWE subsequently put him into a lukewarm feud with Kane before he got injured and was forced to relinquish the title. Then he comes back in time for the Rumble where they had a natural story already set up for him to reclaim thr titlehe never lost and they pissed all over that for... Roman Reigns (2015):The latest example of the WWE forcing their own agenda regardless of the better options available to them. No offense to Reigns himself but he had no business winning the Rumble. Prior to the show, fans were already giving him the side eye as the could sniff what the WWE might do and sadly the ended up doing it. Reigns was over but he wasn't as over as he should've been to justify winning the Rumble with the WWE's intention of having him beat Lesnar. He was still an unproven talent only having come back feom injury like a month prior to the Rumble and still needed time to develop as a wrestler and as a character as well as establish fan support and become more over. Instead the WWE rushed him into a position he wasn't ready for and here we are now where the vast majority of fans are still rejecting him and despite this, the WWE is still insistent on forcing him into the role as the face of the company, a position he still isn't fit to be in and thanks to WWE's stupidity, he likely never will be. Batista had all the makings of not just a main eventer but a wrestling star. He had the look, competent mic skills, good in-ring ability and most of all, a great build that coincided with great fan support and a crowning moment that was greatly executed by the WWE. We haven't had such a monumental rise since and I'll even put Dave's climb to stardom above Cena's; Batista is a textbook example of how to make a star in the wrestling business. C
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PunkRockGiik posted...
WWE didn't "fail" with those stars. I would argue they are all far more over than Batista ever was.They failed in the sense that they didn't use them to their full potential. Sure, maybe, possibly they were more over than Batista but they weren't treated as well as Batista was. Punk and Bryan had their flames extinguished and Reigns was sabotaged because the WWE felt the need to shoehorn him into main event status. Had they played their cards right, he could've been today's Batista.
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occupine posted...
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GPRailroad posted...
occupine posted...DThat remains to be seen. Let's see if the WWE doesn't fail to pull the trigger or does so meekly. he just turned into batman on raw. He's a star
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occupine posted...
GPRailroad posted...occupine posted...show hidden quote(s)That remains to be seen. Let's see if the WWE doesn't fail to pull the trigger or does so meekly. Sound like a fun version of batman. "I'M NOT FINISHED WITH YOU!" BraunBat breaks into Arkham Asylum and beat up Joker some more.
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Arcane199 posted...
occupine posted...GPRailroad posted...show hidden quote(s) imagine if Batman screamed his own name whenever he showed up to fight. "BATMAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN"
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It all depends how you define a star. CM Punk and Daniel Bryan both did get over and became main eventers organically through their midcard work.
Everything else that occurred is inconsequential to the status they got to. Maybe WWE didn't see them as true stars and the way they booked them reflected that but there's no denying the level of stardom they achieved as far as their overall popularity with the fans.
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Snake posted...
It all depends how you define a star. CM Punk and Daniel Bryan both did get over and became main eventers organically through their midcard work. WWE didn't create them either
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If we're talking about guys who got over well with the crowd AND were backed by WWE with a strong push, probably. Punk and Bryan were both incredibly over, but WWE refused to commit to them as "top guys" and instead just tried to throw the fans a bone and make them be quiet.
Initially, Sheamus might have been kind of close. WWE was behind him pretty hard, and he started getting over for a bit, but people got kinda bored, and then he had the unfortunate role of wrecking Bryan right as Bryan was getting super over. Roman, of course, is WWE's new "This guy is the bestest ever, and if you don't like it, tough shit!" project. People aren't behind him the way a top guy should have them, but WWE doesn't care, because they're committed to him as the undisputed top guy. It's possible someone could still get into that kind of spot, but it would have to be on SD, and even then, they'd still be prioritized under Roman.
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The mistake they made with Orton (and Seth Rollins in 2016) is that they thought having him being beaten up without a proper face turn is supposed to make the audience suddenly care for him.
Orton was portrayed as a weak bitch while Batista was portrayed as a dominant beast who was sick of his egotistical leader. Who's going to get cheered?
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Ambrose, Strowman, New Day, The Miz,
Ambrose was a name before WWE, but not nearly at the level he's been in WWE.
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Marikina posted...
Wasn't Batista "forced" upon the WWE as well? The guy they were groomingfor the top spot back then was Orton, but then he didn't pan out and Batista inexplicably caught on to the fanbase around late 2004, so they switched to him.If Batista caught on to the fans then how was he "forced"?
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UltraMarcus posted...
Ambrose lol UltraMarcus posted... Strowman not yet UltraMarcus posted... New Day made themselves UltraMarcus posted... The Miz, maybe outside wwe |
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UltraMarcus posted...
Ambrose, Strowman, New Day, The Miz, When we say star we mean true mainstream appeal. Batista and Cena are the closest since The Rock. |
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GPRailroad posted...
Marikina posted...Wasn't Batista "forced" upon the WWE as well? The guy they were groomingfor the top spot back then was Orton, but then he didn't pan out and Batista inexplicably caught on to the fanbase around late 2004, so they switched to him.If Batista caught on to the fans then how was he "forced"? Not forced upon the fans, but the WWE. Like I said, Orton was their guy, but Batista's inexplicable popularity made them switch to him. |
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Marikina posted...
GPRailroad posted...And the WWE was smart enough to switch up and go all the way with Batista.Marikina posted...show hidden quote(s)If Batista caught on to the fans then how was he "forced"? If the WWE at the time operated the way the do now, they probably would've kept pushing Orton and he'd probably have been a 3-time world champion by the end of 2005.
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Marikina posted...
Wasn't Batista "forced" upon the WWE as well? The guy they were groomingfor the top spot back then was Orton, but then he didn't pan out and Batista inexplicably caught on to the fanbase around late 2004, so they switched to him.
He now exists in the darkness of deletion. Brother Nero is only a vessel of flesh that is empty on the inside. I deleted everything that made him special.
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Ivany2008 posted...
does John Morrison/Mundo count? no thats not a star, thats a guy |
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Ghost of Brandon Lee posted...
occupine posted...D nobody seems have standards anymore |
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SGame posted...
D. Reigns is the last star they created. Like him or not he was the 3rd man in the shield days but he outgrew them all and became a multiple time world champion outgrew them? mate, he still uses their theme and never dropped the gear. They had to reform the shield just to get him cheered
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itt: people comparing jobbers to Bastista.
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jaso13_basic posted...
C. he's making lesnar look like a bitch
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occupine posted...
jaso13_basic posted...C. Who's going to win the match though? Who's going to headline WM against RR? Who's the current draw atm? Lesnar. You people are so short-sighted. Looking strong in a filler feud is all it takes to be star today...loools.
Not changing this signature until John Morrison and Drew McIntyre wins the WWE/WHC Title: 10-09-09...which means never.
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jaso13_basic posted...
occupine posted...jaso13_basic posted...show hidden quote(s) Except it's lesnar. Anyone else sure. But this is lesnar we are talking about. Making the most credible guy in the company look like a bitch is huge. Also, Lesnar isn't drawing. ratings don't go up when he is announced to appear, there is no change.
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occupine posted...
jaso13_basic posted...occupine posted...show hidden quote(s) Ok, sure pal. Lesnar isn't a draw and Strowman is the face of the company. Totally....
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jaso13_basic posted...
occupine posted...jaso13_basic posted...show hidden quote(s) I didn't say Strowman was the face of the company. There is no face of the company. The face of the company is the big W. Lesnar legitimately isn't a draw, the numbers back it up.
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occupine posted...
jaso13_basic posted...occupine posted...show hidden quote(s) Well, Roman Reigns is the face of the company but he’s not a draw either. Lol |
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TeamXtreme415 posted...
occupine posted...jaso13_basic posted...show hidden quote(s) except he's not the face of the company. There is NO face of the company.
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- C/D: Batista is the last true star the WWE has created
Reigns.
Also your Bryan one is dumb. The shoehorned him in? He got injured, then you think they should push him back to the title? He got hurt again! They were right to be hesitant! They did this already with Rey Mysterio. These tiny guys that take a lot of bumps can be over as hell and sell mercy, but you can't depend on them because they get hurt all the time the older they gethttp://www.last.fm/user/snoochtonooch
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official protector of Cuddles the kitten of the rock boardBatista had all the makings of not just a main eventer but a wrestling star. He had the look, competent mic skills, good in-ring ability and most of all, a great build that coincided with great fan support and a crowning moment that was greatly executed by the WWE. We haven't had such a monumental rise since and I'll even put Dave's climb to stardom above Cena's; Batista is a textbook example of how to make a star in the wrestling business.
Batista used to be frequently mocked by the PWB for his promos, especially after delivering classics like:
"BASKETBALLS, DON'T HOLD GRUDGES!"
"CONGRATULATIONS. I WANT MY REMATCH."
"WEAPONS AREN'T ONLY WELCOMED...they're allowed."
"DUCT TAPE?! ARE YOU SERIOUS?! DUCT TAPE?!"Slipnelg dsoen't mtaetr as lnog as you can siltl raed. The fsirt & lsat ltrtees are all taht mttears. If you can raed tihs, yuo're a giunes.FNXwings posted...Batista had all the makings of not just a main eventer but a wrestling star. He had the look, competent mic skills, good in-ring ability and most of all, a great build that coincided with great fan support and a crowning moment that was greatly executed by the WWE. We haven't had such a monumental rise since and I'll even put Dave's climb to stardom above Cena's; Batista is a textbook example of how to make a star in the wrestling business.
Batista used to be frequently mocked by the PWB for his promos, especially after delivering classics like:
"BASKETBALLS, DON'T HOLD GRUDGES!"
"CONGRATULATIONS. I WANT MY REMATCH."
"WEAPONS AREN'T ONLY WELCOMED...they're allowed."
"DUCT TAPE?! ARE YOU SERIOUS?! DUCT TAPE?!"
"BASKETBALLS, DON'T HOLD GRUDGES!"
Was my favourite lolSignature, What's that?snoochtonooch posted...Reigns.
None of your post makes sense. Want to try again?
Also your Bryan one is dumb. The shoehorned him in? He got injured, then you think they should push him back to the title? He got hurt again! They were right to be hesitant! They did this already with Rey Mysterio. These tiny guys that take a lot of bumps can be over as hell and sell mercy, but you can't depend on them because they get hurt all the time the older they get
FNXwings posted...
LOL true.Batista had all the makings of not just a main eventer but a wrestling star. He had the look, competent mic skills, good in-ring ability and most of all, a great build that coincided with great fan support and a crowning moment that was greatly executed by the WWE. We haven't had such a monumental rise since and I'll even put Dave's climb to stardom above Cena's; Batista is a textbook example of how to make a star in the wrestling business.
Batista used to be frequently mocked by the PWB for his promos, especially after delivering classics like:
"BASKETBALLS, DON'T HOLD GRUDGES!"
"CONGRATULATIONS. I WANT MY REMATCH."
"WEAPONS AREN'T ONLY WELCOMED...they're allowed."
"DUCT TAPE?! ARE YOU SERIOUS?! DUCT TAPE?!"
Batista did have some notable blunders on the stick but overall he was still a competent talker; he could sell a match. At his worst he was better on the mic than Reigns.1984: Ironically the GOAT year.HHH is the game posted...How in the world has nobody mentioned Edge
because that was all him
I can't even say Batista
I'm looking someone based off a gimmick wwe made themselves
their idea for Edge was vampire, for Batista it was a bodyguard, for New Day it was sterotypical black preachers
all 3 got over as themselves
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