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Dave Meltzer apologizes to Peyton Royce.

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Amazak 6 days ago#1
ssjmole 6 days ago#2
As sincere as Hogan.

He's woman hating trash. He's just sorry good people noticed and stood up to him
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AndreLeGeant 6 days ago#3
What a shitty apology. By at 0:45, he starts making himself the victim. Someone PLEASE make his comments about Sable go viral. Show the pattern.
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Mr_Karate_II  PLASMA CASH6 days ago#4
The guy is total jack ass.
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Heatseeker500 6 days ago#5
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jaso13_basic 6 days ago#6
This is the same board that routinely calls Sasha a horse, Paige a whore, Bayley a butterface, Nia a whale, etc and you lot act like Meltzer is some animal for daring to mention Royce was better before the fake tits. Lol you lot.
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Iceyflame 6 days ago#7
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Heatseeker500 6 days ago#8
jaso13_basic posted...
This is the same board that routinely calls Sasha a horse, Paige a whore, Bayley a butterface, Nia a whale, etc and you lot act like Meltzer is some animal for daring to mention Royce was better before the fake tits. Lol you lot.


This might be the same board, but is it the same users? Think.
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jaso13_basic 6 days ago#9
Heatseeker500 posted...
jaso13_basic posted...
This is the same board that routinely calls Sasha a horse, Paige a whore, Bayley a butterface, Nia a whale, etc and you lot act like Meltzer is some animal for daring to mention Royce was better before the fake tits. Lol you lot.


This might be the same board, but is it the same users? Think.

I guarantee every user who's in a fake outrage about this has said things far worse about wwe females in multiple threads. Most on a daily basis.
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GameGodOfAll 6 days ago#10
Heatseeker500 posted...
jaso13_basic posted...
This is the same board that routinely calls Sasha a horse, Paige a whore, Bayley a butterface, Nia a whale, etc and you lot act like Meltzer is some animal for daring to mention Royce was better before the fake tits. Lol you lot.


This might be the same board, but is it the same users? Think.

Seriously. On top of that, those pathetic losers aren't professional journalists and I assume they're not grown ass men either.
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lilhurk1985187 6 days ago#11
Why? He was right.
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Heatseeker500 6 days ago#12
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This might be the same board, but is it the same users? Think.

I guarantee every user who's in a fake outrage about this has said things far worse about wwe females in multiple threads. Most on a daily basis.


I certainly haven't.

My gripe with Meltzer is how often he contradicts himself and pushes himself as some experienced pro, having the nerve to charge more than a WWE subscription for his opinion when he hasn't done a thing in any of the top wrestling companies throughout his career.
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AndreLeGeant 6 days ago#13
Dave presents what he says as fact. Someone on a message board doesn't actually think Sasha is a horse.
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jaso13_basic 6 days ago#14
AndreLeGeant posted...
Dave presents what he says as fact. Someone on a message board doesn't actually think Sasha is a horse.

Lol you're arguing semantics. My point isn't tone or assumed perception...Its that people are calling him some vile sexist, toxic pig for an accurate observation he made, yet people say far worse, more disrespectful things in a baseless manner ALL THE TIME. But hypocrisy is kewl.
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cky2003 6 days ago#15
jaso13_basic posted...
This is the same board that routinely calls Sasha a horse, Paige a whore, Bayley a butterface, Nia a whale, etc and you lot act like Meltzer is some animal for daring to mention Royce was better before the fake tits. Lol you lot.


I felt the same way lol the outrage is so silly just outraged because it is an excuse to know Meltzer. Who I do not like, but acting all high and mighty is so funny as this board is obsessed with the women and slam them all the time. Least it was not Alexa this board would melt down if Dave insulted the precious Alexa.
AndreLeGeant 6 days ago#16
jaso13_basic posted...
AndreLeGeant posted...
Dave presents what he says as fact. Someone on a message board doesn't actually think Sasha is a horse.

Lol you're arguing semantics. My point isn't tone or assumed perception...Its that people are calling him some vile sexist, toxic pig for an accurate observation he made, yet people say far worse, more disrespectful things in a baseless manner ALL THE TIME. But hypocrisy is kewl.

He's sexist because he has ragged on the appearance of attractive female talent for YEARS. And he doesn't do it in a joking manner, either. He's often very malicious about it to the point of even lying about sensitive things like cosmetic surgery or age. He hates that attractive women who maybe aren't good in the ring get time that could otherwise be given to the talents he likes, so he insults those talents.
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cky2003 6 days ago#17
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Lol you're arguing semantics. My point isn't tone or assumed perception...Its that people are calling him some vile sexist, toxic pig for an accurate observation he made, yet people say far worse, more disrespectful things in a baseless manner ALL THE TIME. But hypocrisy is kewl.

He's sexist because he has ragged on the appearance of attractive female talent for YEARS. And he doesn't do it in a joking manner, either. He's often very malicious about it to the point of even lying about sensitive things like cosmetic surgery or age. He hates that attractive women who maybe aren't good in the ring get time that could otherwise be given to the talents he likes, so he insults those talents.


Well to be fair if you look good, but suck in the ring you should probably not be on TV at this point. The days of basing these women on looks over skill should be gone. Fat or skinny should not matter should be 100% about what you can do in the ring.
AndreLeGeant 6 days ago#18
cky2003 posted...
Well to be fair if you look good, but suck in the ring you should probably not be on TV at this point. The days of basing these women on looks over skill should be gone. Fat or skinny should not matter should be 100% about what you can do in the ring.

You say "these days," but Meltzer has always had that view. And it isn't a matter of him preferring better female talent. He used to bitch that Sable was taking time that could go to TAKA or some such. It's almost always "boo-hoo attractive women taking time from lowercard men I like." So Meltzer gets vindictive toward the women.

Even if you don't think less talented women should be featured based on look, you can say as much without calling the women fat, or aging strippers, or crack whores, etc.
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jaso13_basic 6 days ago#19
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Lol you're arguing semantics. My point isn't tone or assumed perception...Its that people are calling him some vile sexist, toxic pig for an accurate observation he made, yet people say far worse, more disrespectful things in a baseless manner ALL THE TIME. But hypocrisy is kewl.

He's sexist because he has ragged on the appearance of attractive female talent for YEARS. And he doesn't do it in a joking manner, either. He's often very malicious about it to the point of even lying about sensitive things like cosmetic surgery or age. He hates that attractive women who maybe aren't good in the ring get time that could otherwise be given to the talents he likes, so he insults those talents.


Its wrestling. Appearance matters. And ffs, let's not act like women's wrestling in the wwe wasn't overly based upon looks anyway. For years the majority of women were models and couldn't wrestle for shit....was else exactly were the supposed to be judged upon? Hell that's what the wwe was advertising them on. Looks....sexy divas and shit.
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Stover46 6 days ago#20
Talking about a woman's appearance is sexist now?
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Heatseeker500 6 days ago#21
cky2003 posted...
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He's sexist because he has ragged on the appearance of attractive female talent for YEARS. And he doesn't do it in a joking manner, either. He's often very malicious about it to the point of even lying about sensitive things like cosmetic surgery or age. He hates that attractive women who maybe aren't good in the ring get time that could otherwise be given to the talents he likes, so he insults those talents.


Well to be fair if you look good, but suck in the ring you should probably not be on TV at this point. The days of basing these women on looks over skill should be gone. Fat or skinny should not matter should be 100% about what you can do in the ring.


It's not just about wrestling 20-minute fake matches. The show needs variety.
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Spooking 6 days ago#22
What a phony Dave Meltzer is.
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AndreLeGeant 6 days ago#23
jaso13_basic posted...
Its wrestling. Appearance matters. And ffs, let's not act like women's wrestling in the wwe wasn't overly based upon looks anyway. For years the majority of women were models and couldn't wrestle for shit....was else exactly were the supposed to be judged upon? Hell that's what the wwe was advertising them on. Looks....sexy divas and shit.

He's not commenting on appearance for the sake of saying they need to look better. He's just being insulting because he hates women who aren't like Bull Nakano.
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SMT_Masochist 6 days ago#24
jaso13_basic posted...

I guarantee every user who's in a fake outrage about this has said things far worse about wwe females in multiple threads. Most on a daily basis.


100%. Also, imagine these people posting horrible things said about them and what worse things they've said about others. 

Its funny she clapped back because maybe she gained 5 lbs and someone called her fat. She's obviously not fat. But if she was, why can't we call her fat? You guys have said worse in real life. Get over the white knighting.
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ultimate reaver 6 days ago#25
The apology is actually about 20 minutes longer than that. He goes on rambling until Bryan cuts him off.

It's too bad he's even still apologizing because most of the people still doing this are trolls and people who were never interested in hearing from him in the first place. The effort is wasted on them
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jaso13_basic 6 days ago#26
AndreLeGeant posted...
jaso13_basic posted...
Its wrestling. Appearance matters. And ffs, let's not act like women's wrestling in the wwe wasn't overly based upon looks anyway. For years the majority of women were models and couldn't wrestle for shit....was else exactly were the supposed to be judged upon? Hell that's what the wwe was advertising them on. Looks....sexy divas and shit.

He's not commenting on appearance for the sake of saying they need to look better. He's just being insulting because he hates women who aren't like Bull Nakano.


My fault, didn't know you knew Metlzer personally...
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AndreLeGeant 6 days ago#27
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He's not commenting on appearance for the sake of saying they need to look better. He's just being insulting because he hates women who aren't like Bull Nakano.


My fault, didn't know you knew Metlzer personally...

He literally went on near-weekly rants against Sable back in the 90s insulting her every way he could. At the same time, he was putting over Japanese Joshi pretty hard. He continued to trash women who were on TV for looks instead of pure in-ring talent. And again, criticizing that outright is fine. But to insult those performers - who are there because Vince has reason to believe the audience wants it - is uncalled for. Especially when he's malicious about it. He's never hesitated to spread rumors about plastic surgery, sex, drugs, etc. when it comes to female talent.
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ultimate reaver 6 days ago#28
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My fault, didn't know you knew Metlzer personally...

He literally went on near-weekly rants against Sable back in the 90s insulting her every way he could. At the same time, he was putting over Japanese Joshi pretty hard. He continued to trash women who were on TV for looks instead of pure in-ring talent. And again, criticizing that outright is fine. But to insult those performers - who are there because Vince has reason to believe the audience wants it - is uncalled for. Especially when he's malicious about it. He's never hesitated to spread rumors about plastic surgery, sex, drugs, etc. when it comes to female talent.


Meltzer hasn't been as vociferous about stuff like that for a very long time. Furthermore he's been a big supporter of plenty of women in the WWE. Sasha, Bayley, Becky... He was so over the top complimentary of Charlotte that people thought he was being fucking bribed by flair or something.

Just because he says Lana or Alisha Fox or whoever had a bad match on RAW doesn't mean he despises women, nor does it make the fact that Vince literally takes advice on the subject from a guy known for screaming "SHE COULD USE SOME TITS" any less true.
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AndreLeGeant 6 days ago#29
The point is, this instance here is consistent with his past behavior. The fact he hasn't been "as vociferous about stuff like that" lately just shows he is smart enough to keep the sexism under control. This was it slipping through.
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ultimate reaver 6 days ago#30
AndreLeGeant posted...
The point is, this instance here is consistent with his past behavior. The fact he hasn't been "as vociferous about stuff like that" lately just shows he is smart enough to keep the sexism under control. This was it slipping through.


By lately I mean in more than a decade. Dave Meltzer is not sexist, he's just the most verbally bumbling and uneloquent man on the planet. He has said some dumb things in the past, and he pretty persistently owns up to them just like he has now. He's also, for years, spoken out against WWE's shitty treatment of ladies. The newsletter was perpetually filled with disgust at stuff like those shitty Molly Holly and Piggy James angles, and he's always spoke out in the name of pushing talent regardless of whether or not they're "traditionally pretty"

Getting pissed off because Sable sucks in 1997 does not magically preclude you from ever being progressive, no matter what woke twitter clowns want you to believe.
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Heatseeker500 6 days ago#31
ultimate reaver posted...
AndreLeGeant posted...
The point is, this instance here is consistent with his past behavior. The fact he hasn't been "as vociferous about stuff like that" lately just shows he is smart enough to keep the sexism under control. This was it slipping through.


By lately I mean in more than a decade. Dave Meltzer is not sexist, he's just the most verbally bumbling and uneloquent man on the planet. He has said some dumb things in the past, and he pretty persistently owns up to them just like he has now. He's also, for years, spoken out against WWE's shitty treatment of ladies. The newsletter was perpetually filled with disgust at stuff like those shitty Molly Holly and Piggy James angles, and he's always spoke out in the name of pushing talent regardless of whether or not they're "traditionally pretty"

Getting pissed off because Sable sucks in 1997 does not magically preclude you from ever being progressive, no matter what woke twitter clowns want you to believe.


She sucked, yet was more over than any other woman in wrestling in history.
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AndreLeGeant 6 days ago#32
ultimate reaver posted...
AndreLeGeant posted...
The point is, this instance here is consistent with his past behavior. The fact he hasn't been "as vociferous about stuff like that" lately just shows he is smart enough to keep the sexism under control. This was it slipping through.


By lately I mean in more than a decade. Dave Meltzer is not sexist, he's just the most verbally bumbling and uneloquent man on the planet. He has said some dumb things in the past, and he pretty persistently owns up to them just like he has now. He's also, for years, spoken out against WWE's shitty treatment of ladies. The newsletter was perpetually filled with disgust at stuff like those shitty Molly Holly and Piggy James angles, and he's always spoke out in the name of pushing talent regardless of whether or not they're "traditionally pretty"

Getting pissed off because Sable sucks in 1997 does not magically preclude you from ever being progressive, no matter what woke twitter clowns want you to believe.

There's a difference between getting pissed off at Sable in 1997 and actually going on regular rants and lying about her and other female talent of the era. Meltzer is fine toward women he thinks are "good wrestlers" because all Meltzer cares about his what he considers "good wrestling." But he's an ass about anything that isn't "good wrestling," and when it comes to the women, he tends to be sexist toward attractive women who aren't "good wrestlers."
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ultimate reaver 6 days ago#33
Heatseeker500 posted...
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By lately I mean in more than a decade. Dave Meltzer is not sexist, he's just the most verbally bumbling and uneloquent man on the planet. He has said some dumb things in the past, and he pretty persistently owns up to them just like he has now. He's also, for years, spoken out against WWE's shitty treatment of ladies. The newsletter was perpetually filled with disgust at stuff like those shitty Molly Holly and Piggy James angles, and he's always spoke out in the name of pushing talent regardless of whether or not they're "traditionally pretty"

Getting pissed off because Sable sucks in 1997 does not magically preclude you from ever being progressive, no matter what woke twitter clowns want you to believe.


She sucked, yet was more over than any other woman in wrestling in history.


Mainly because they didn't do a lot more than have her stand up to Mark Mero, who everyone despised, and perpetually tease flashing her tits to pop crowds full of drunk middle aged men. Meanwhile she couldn't wrestle, didn't care about wrestling because she was mainly using her employment to try to get into other businesses via visibility, and many more people than Meltzer have said that few people really cared for her backstage.

That's a good precedent to set if you want to present women as sex objects and nothing else, but not much if you want them to be taken seriously or held on similar grounds to men.
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cky2003 6 days ago#34
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Well to be fair if you look good, but suck in the ring you should probably not be on TV at this point. The days of basing these women on looks over skill should be gone. Fat or skinny should not matter should be 100% about what you can do in the ring.


It's not just about wrestling 20-minute fake matches. The show needs variety.


I guess I am in it for wrestling not really in it for the child like mean girls story line WWE loves to do. I mean that whole Alexa story with Nia just pathetic
Heatseeker500 6 days ago#35
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It's not just about wrestling 20-minute fake matches. The show needs variety.


I guess I am in it for wrestling not really in it for the child like mean girls story line WWE loves to do. I mean that whole Alexa story with Nia just pathetic


Well yeah, but that's on the quality of writing in all fairness.

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Mainly because they didn't do a lot more than have her stand up to Mark Mero, who everyone despised, and perpetually tease flashing her tits to pop crowds full of drunk middle aged men. Meanwhile she couldn't wrestle, didn't care about wrestling because she was mainly using her employment to try to get into other businesses via visibility, and many more people than Meltzer have said that few people really cared for her backstage.

That's a good precedent to set if you want to present women as sex objects and nothing else, but not much if you want them to be taken seriously or held on similar grounds to men.


All that is needed is good writing of the characters.
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Fin_Dawg_004 5 days ago#37
https://twitter.com/davemeltzerWON/status/1029813302858199040

lol he missed the point entirely
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I4NRulez 5 days ago#38
This board outraged at meltzer

Yet most users defended Hogan lol
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Dark_twisted 5 days ago#39
I4NRulez posted...
This board outraged at meltzer

Yet most users defended Hogan lol


Well this board is racist, not sexist.
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ssjmole 5 days ago#40
I4NRulez posted...
This board outraged at meltzer

Yet most users defended Hogan lol


Same people? As I'm pretty sure I've called him a Racist POS and called meltzer a sexist POS
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TheVector 5 days ago#41
Eh, my gripe with it was both Metlzer and Alvarez knew what they were saying before they said (they even went before they said it to “oh we shouldn’t say but we will anyway”)

They clearly knew it was going to outrage a few people, I don’t think they expected how much, but they knew what they were going for when they said it
SeamusOHassey 5 days ago#42
ssjmole posted...
As sincere as Hogan.

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ssjmole 5 days ago#43
SeamusOHassey posted...
ssjmole posted...
As sincere as Hogan.

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It's true Hogan wasn't sincere I understand how someone like you would think that he was.
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SeamusOHassey 5 days ago#44
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It's true Hogan wasn't sincere I understand how someone like you would think that he was.

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