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Wednesday, July 19, 2017

It's been one year since the brand split began

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humptyrump 6 hours ago#1
What are your thoughts on it so far? I think it's done more harm than good, and I don't even think it will still be around in another year
Holy f*** balls...

Wow, this last year flew by.
We're so happy we can hardly count!
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Bestoffuture 5 hours ago#3
KillboyPowahead posted...
Holy f*** balls...

Wow, this last year flew by.


This

I think the brand split has been a great thing. WWE was unwatchable from Payback 2014 til the split. Smackdown was great for like six months and now raw has become interesting again
...and that's the meaning of life.
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Hardcore_Adult 5 hours ago#4
^ Debatable, RAW at times this year has me nearly made me go to sleep.

SD was cooking until about Mania (even when they were stayed in 2nd gear some weeks).
I'll get back up for good this time and I ain't comin' down...
Scorsese2002 5 hours ago#5
The brand split has been good, just wish they would have had an actually draft instead of the Superstar Shake-Up earlier this year, or would have waited for a draft until now.
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Hardcore_Adult 5 hours ago#6
An actual Draft on the Anniversary woulda been epic and more shocking.
I'll get back up for good this time and I ain't comin' down...
occupine 5 hours ago#7
The split is ok if you really think about it.
HOWEVER, compared to what we were previously getting, it's a god send.
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Heatseeker500 4 hours ago#8
The brand split ultimately wasn't needed, and was paper over the cracks to try and mask the horrible writing. However the product got better for a little while (for their standards) as a result of having new writers come in for one of the shows. They've reverted to type on both shows now though, and neither of them have their own identity anymore outside of red vs blue.

The negatives about splitting the rosters are that you have way too many titles that mean less, you have half a roster which means the writers have less to work with (look at the tag divisions and the midcard for example) and as a result we are seeing way too much repetition when it comes to matches.
Man is like a piece of cheese...
occupine 4 hours ago#9
Heatseeker500 posted...
The brand split ultimately wasn't needed, and was paper over the cracks to try and mask the horrible writing. However the product got better for a little while (for their standards) as a result of having new writers come in for one of the shows. They've reverted to type on both shows now though, and neither of them have their own identity anymore outside of red vs blue.

The negatives about splitting the rosters are that you have way too many titles that mean less, you have half a roster which means the writers have less to work with (look at the tag divisions and the midcard for example) and as a result we are seeing way too much repetition when it comes to matches.

some of that is just bad booking though. The tag division would be much better if they would stop splitting teams up, and give more than 1 team a push.

The smackdown midcard is in a great spot, everything feels important (US title, baron/shinsuke, and even rusev/cena has that feel to it even though nobody wants it)

The Raw midcard is forever miz/ambrose accompanied by whoever Bray's going to make look good
The Self Professed Bray Wyatt of the PWB. Bo Dallas for President.
Despair will always trump hope. Kyoko Kirigiri is Anabel. Thicke Wicke. FC: 4914-3689-7500
Let's be REAL; Not EVERYONE's gonna win the big one. There has to be something to for everyone ELSE to shoot for.

(And no, I don't advocate Participation Prizes)
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Heatseeker500 3 hours ago#11
occupine posted...
Heatseeker500 posted...
The brand split ultimately wasn't needed, and was paper over the cracks to try and mask the horrible writing. However the product got better for a little while (for their standards) as a result of having new writers come in for one of the shows. They've reverted to type on both shows now though, and neither of them have their own identity anymore outside of red vs blue.

The negatives about splitting the rosters are that you have way too many titles that mean less, you have half a roster which means the writers have less to work with (look at the tag divisions and the midcard for example) and as a result we are seeing way too much repetition when it comes to matches.

some of that is just bad booking though. The tag division would be much better if they would stop splitting teams up, and give more than 1 team a push.

The smackdown midcard is in a great spot, everything feels important (US title, baron/shinsuke, and even rusev/cena has that feel to it even though nobody wants it)

The Raw midcard is forever miz/ambrose accompanied by whoever Bray's going to make look good


But that's my point. WWE don't have enough stars to put on the roster of either show. Each show has like 4 people at most in the midcard who are perceived as anything other than fodder, so when you're splitting 8 people into 2 shows you'll obviously be stuck with repetition.
Man is like a piece of cheese...
BaronNugget 3 hours ago#12
It's been a success because it's achieved it's goal and that's to give new superstars a chance to shine.
MUFC- The Religion.
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humptyrump 2 hours ago#13
BaronNugget posted...
It's been a success because it's achieved it's goal and that's to give new superstars a chance to shine.


They didn't need a brand split to do that
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TERRA_RYZlN 2 hours ago#15
Heatseeker500 posted...
occupine posted...
Heatseeker500 posted...
The brand split ultimately wasn't needed, and was paper over the cracks to try and mask the horrible writing. However the product got better for a little while (for their standards) as a result of having new writers come in for one of the shows. They've reverted to type on both shows now though, and neither of them have their own identity anymore outside of red vs blue.

The negatives about splitting the rosters are that you have way too many titles that mean less, you have half a roster which means the writers have less to work with (look at the tag divisions and the midcard for example) and as a result we are seeing way too much repetition when it comes to matches.

some of that is just bad booking though. The tag division would be much better if they would stop splitting teams up, and give more than 1 team a push.

The smackdown midcard is in a great spot, everything feels important (US title, baron/shinsuke, and even rusev/cena has that feel to it even though nobody wants it)

The Raw midcard is forever miz/ambrose accompanied by whoever Bray's going to make look good


But that's my point. WWE don't have enough stars to put on the roster of either show. Each show has like 4 people at most in the midcard who are perceived as anything other than fodder, so when you're splitting 8 people into 2 shows you'll obviously be stuck with repetition.

There are plenty of guys relegated to main event or whatever the c shows are now that could help fill out the show. So it's not that they don't have enough guys, it's that they don't have enough guys they actually want to push.
Needs more slime. 

I have loved the split, survivor series was awesome again, my network subscription now has more ppvs so it's more of a deal, most of my favorite people are featured, and smackdown frequently comes to the area and is worth watching again. Quality has dipped recently but it's far better than the raw recap show it was
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humptyrump posted...
BaronNugget posted...
It's been a success because it's achieved it's goal and that's to give new superstars a chance to shine.


They didn't need a brand split to do that


SDL would have probably been afterthought, moreso if it hadn't.
I'll get back up for good this time and I ain't comin' down...
It's been interesting, but the superstar shake up was a pile of crap. They really need to do another draft and soon to keep things fresh
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I'm more or less okay with it I guess, but I really wish there was one main title instead of each show having their own.
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I can handle two world titles, just not the s***ty booking of one on the "FLAGSHIP" show. Piece O'Garbage. Shane and DB were right to mock it.
I'll get back up for good this time and I ain't comin' down...
BaronNugget 1 hour ago#21
@humptyrump

No but I doubt Alexa, Carmella, Becky, Joe, AJ, Ambrose, Miz, Naomi, Usos, Strowman etc would have gotten pushed without it. Most of them would be in mid-card hell but they have all been prominent since the split.
MUFC- The Religion.
Miami Dolphins: The 1 in 31-1
TERRA_RYZlN posted...
Heatseeker500 posted...
occupine posted...
Heatseeker500 posted...
The brand split ultimately wasn't needed, and was paper over the cracks to try and mask the horrible writing. However the product got better for a little while (for their standards) as a result of having new writers come in for one of the shows. They've reverted to type on both shows now though, and neither of them have their own identity anymore outside of red vs blue.

The negatives about splitting the rosters are that you have way too many titles that mean less, you have half a roster which means the writers have less to work with (look at the tag divisions and the midcard for example) and as a result we are seeing way too much repetition when it comes to matches.

some of that is just bad booking though. The tag division would be much better if they would stop splitting teams up, and give more than 1 team a push.

The smackdown midcard is in a great spot, everything feels important (US title, baron/shinsuke, and even rusev/cena has that feel to it even though nobody wants it)

The Raw midcard is forever miz/ambrose accompanied by whoever Bray's going to make look good


But that's my point. WWE don't have enough stars to put on the roster of either show. Each show has like 4 people at most in the midcard who are perceived as anything other than fodder, so when you're splitting 8 people into 2 shows you'll obviously be stuck with repetition.

There are plenty of guys relegated to main event or whatever the c shows are now that could help fill out the show. So it's not that they don't have enough guys, it's that they don't have enough guys they actually want to push.


Don't get me wrong they definitely have the numbers. As you mentioned though, how many of them have what it takes as all-round talents to justify being pushed? How many of them are actually truly confident in their abilities? I look at someone like Tye Dillinger and I see insecurity as soon as he walks out for his entrance. Even on Talking Smack which was known to be unscripted, he sounded afraid of his own shadow. 

I think that's a general problem throughout the roster right now though is that some of the people that are there, if thrown in at the deep end would sink faster than a turd on a brick, whereas a Miz or Jericho would thrive on it and see the deep end as an opportunity to make themselves look better than everyone else. That's how you measure who has what it takes in entertainment, especially on a weekly tv show.
Man is like a piece of cheese...
To be fair, the Turd would float while the Brick sunk lol.
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humptyrump 1 hour ago#24
BaronNugget posted...
@humptyrump

No but I doubt Alexa, Carmella, Becky, Joe, AJ, Ambrose, Miz, Naomi, Usos, Strowman etc would have gotten pushed without it. Most of them would be in mid-card hell but they have all been prominent since the split.


Some of them were already getting pushed before the split began. Ambrose was WWE champ going into the brand split, Miz was the IC champ, Usos were already multi-time tag-team champs. Strowman and Alexa probably would be getting pushed even if there wasn't a brand split.

Not everyone deserves a push anyway, if it weren't for the brand split I doubt Jinder would be WWE champ
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Feels to me like SD is slowly reverting to what it was before the draft. They got rid of Talking Smack, stopped cutting to the panel between segments, and have been doing tossed together tag team main events again. Last night's show even had a Raw recap. 

The writing is lazier, too.
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Hardcore_Adult posted...
To be fair, the Turd would float while the Brick sunk lol.


Man is like a piece of cheese...
BaronNugget 1 hour ago#27
humptyrump posted...
BaronNugget posted...
@humptyrump

No but I doubt Alexa, Carmella, Becky, Joe, AJ, Ambrose, Miz, Naomi, Usos, Strowman etc would have gotten pushed without it. Most of them would be in mid-card hell but they have all been prominent since the split.


Some of them were already getting pushed before the split began. Ambrose was WWE champ going into the brand split, Miz was the IC champ, Usos were already multi-time tag-team champs. Strowman and Alexa probably would be getting pushed even if there wasn't a brand split.

Not everyone deserves a push anyway, if it weren't for the brand split I doubt Jinder would be WWE champ


I know but I have enjoyed all of those guys more since the split, Miz has become one of the best heels on the roster, monster among men Strowman is 10x better then Wyatt Strowman, Usos have become really entertaining since they turned heel and I doubt Alexa would be a multiple time champion with the 4HW all on the same brand. Also Carmella has been excellent since she has paired up with Ellsworth and I have warmed to her being essentially a champion in waiting.
MUFC- The Religion.
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Hardcore_Adult 59 minutes ago#28
Strowmn's always been heel and is only getting cheered for beating up Roman and garbaging people who fans have kind of soured on.
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mrlowrider 55 minutes ago#29
Some good, some bad. Smackdown Live was the best WWE programming in years from launch til about the Rumble, but it's been bad since Mania. Highs have been Fashion Files and the Usos (and New Day since their return)

Raw has been mostly bad, with highs including the best of Sasha--Charlotte, almost everything of Roman--Braun, and a few other things.

IDK, still lots of wasted talents. Miz and Ambrose should still be on Smackdown, Alexa should be in the meandering multi-woman matches of Smackdown, and Rollins needs...something.

Mixed results!
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