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Cruiserweight Classic, that UK one, now some Mae Young s***.
King of the Ring died a sudden death for this? Man, i can't wait though. I hope there's a lot of generic performers that have zero character and convey not a single ounce of charisma and I also hope, given they are women, that they cry a lot win or lose. God, wrestling is in trouble.
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Saitsuofleaves posted...
King of the Ring was also pointless. Not always
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King of the Ring was a way to headline Summerslam, second biggest show of the year. You have Royal Rumble for Wrestlemania, you had King of the Ring for Summerslam, they went together.
Now all we got are tournaments for a s***ty trophy or belt or something and a contract even though 9/10 people in this get signed anyways. Joke.
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TheCurseX2 posted...
King of the Ring was a way to headline Summerslam, second biggest show of the year. You have Royal Rumble for Wrestlemania, you had King of the Ring for Summerslam, they went together. Wut
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TheCurseX2 posted...
King of the Ring was a way to headline Summerslam, second biggest show of the year. You have Royal Rumble for Wrestlemania, you had King of the Ring for Summerslam, they went together. Agreed
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TheCurseX2 posted...
King of the Ring was a way to headline Summerslam, second biggest show of the year. You have Royal Rumble for Wrestlemania, you had King of the Ring for Summerslam, they went together. King of the Ring only served that purpose in 2002. The winners typically didn't get anything.
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TheCurseX2 posted...King of the Ring was a way to headline Summerslam, second biggest show of the year. You have Royal Rumble for Wrestlemania, you had King of the Ring for Summerslam, they went together. This. People LEGITIMATELY have those Rose-Colored Glasses for KOTR. In reality KOTR didn't do jack s*** for a grand majority of guys and arguably set a few back. If you got a problem with the current WWE Tourneys than you should be even more pissed about KOTR ever existing, because it outright wasted a lot of guys' time and most of an entire PPV.
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KOTR was usually a launching pad to a larger role. Bret won it and then won at Mania the next year. Mabel won it and main evented SummerSlam in 95. It gave Austin legitimacy. It should have done more for Shamrock in 98 - Russo has said they really dropped the ball with Ken. Billy in 99 was getting a strong push. Angle obviously benefited from it.
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AndreLeGeant posted...
KOTR was usually a launching pad to a larger role. Bret won it and then won at Mania the next year. Mabel won it and main evented SummerSlam in 95. It gave Austin legitimacy. It should have done more for Shamrock in 98 - Russo has said they really dropped the ball with Ken. Billy in 99 was getting a strong push. Angle obviously benefited from it. Bret won it and then won Mania...but the only reason he won that KOTR in the first place was because Hogan refused to put him over and Bret was given KOTR in consolation. Mabel...that was a damn travesty. Austin, sure, one of the great success stories but that had a LOT more to do with his promo than the actual tournament. Not to mention he ended up fading anyway until Bret's return. Billy Gunn won it...but got so thoroughly eviscerated by the Rock he never recovered and Edge had to s*** talk on his KOTR win. Angle is probably the best success story if any, alongside Booker T (because he was one of the few who turned the usual King gimmick into absolute gold, even though I personally wasn't a fan of King Booker I do respect what it did for him). Most of the winners didn't become over or get to do a bunch of stuff because they won KOTR or the work they did inside the tourney. It was just a "Hey, we might be pushing these guys really soon" and then for half of them they didn't even bother or saddled them with a crap King gimmick. It's not like winning the Rumble where even if you fail to capitalize on it later, you still won the f***ing Rumble and that's an immense accomplishment. Winning KOTR never meant as much as people liked to say.
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Bro get the f*** outta here with that. I got two words to make your little argument die the quickest death of all time. Ready? Don't blink or you'll miss it vanishing:
Macho King. Now apologize for trying to revise pro-wrestling history because you're some nobody that jumped on board mid '00s AT BEST.
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TheCurseX2 posted...
Bro get the f*** outta here with that. I got two words to make your little argument die the quickest death of all time. Ready? Don't blink or you'll miss it vanishing: No love for King Harley Race or the King of Harts? |
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more like "another pointless topic."
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AndreLeGeant posted...
TheCurseX2 posted...King of the Ring was a way to headline Summerslam, second biggest show of the year. You have Royal Rumble for Wrestlemania, you had King of the Ring for Summerslam, they went together.
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He brings up a good point. These tournaments don't mean anything. There's no end game. It's just random wrestling matches. That isn't what sells in wrestling. It never is. Just look at Mayweather McGregor. Fights gonna be garbage but the build up is great.
The random wrestling matches please Indy guys. But casuals don't give a f*** about strictly wrestling matches. They'll watch boxing or UFC. And you guys will say oh they lay on each other in UFC. Yeah but it's real fighting and not choreographed flips.
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Although I don't like that when we are shown these amazing talents from around the world or U.K. Or what have you then the signed people get watered down I love the fact that we get to have actual god damn wrestling put in front of us . The U.K. Tournament was great but it did f*** all for the winner and more fur Pete Dunne who is called a bruiser Weight - hell I thought he was related to regal
Cwc although now a joke called 205 was incredible to watch and made us crave more This tournament is going to be good I bet but it will make no difference and be treated as a joke or forgotten
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TERRA_RYZlN posted...TheCurseX2 posted...Bro get the f*** outta here with that. I got two words to make your little argument die the quickest death of all time. Ready? Don't blink or you'll miss it vanishing: Haku never won King of The Ring though. |
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lilJoe457 posted...
He brings up a good point. These tournaments don't mean anything. There's no end game. It's just random wrestling matches. That isn't what sells in wrestling. It never is. Just look at Mayweather McGregor. Fights gonna be garbage but the build up is great.
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If WWE had any ballz they would just create a G1 Climax knockoff.
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Another pointless whiny topic. Man it sucks when new talents get exposure and WWE has a way to look at them and decide if they would want them signed.
AndreLeGeant posted... lilJoe457 posted...He brings up a good point. These tournaments don't mean anything. There's no end game. It's just random wrestling matches. That isn't what sells in wrestling. It never is. Just look at Mayweather McGregor. Fights gonna be garbage but the build up is great. Yeah, blah blah, everything has to be about drawing money in a specific way, adding value to the Network is bad because it doesn't "mean anything", you wish you were in the business but you're not, we get it.
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You're crying about another tournament and call it useless, that's fine it's your opinion my problem is that instead of hoping it turns out well you hope it has generic people with no charisma in it? Normally when people complain about things they hope something good comes out if it but it seems to me you just want something to b**** about.
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I like these tournaments they've been doing, but I would love for them to bring back the KOTR. If nothing else it would make the endless singles matches on Raw with no champion exciting and mean something
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>pointless
>wants King of the Ring back lol The last time someone won KOTR and headlined SummerSlam as a result was 02 or 03. 14 years ago at best. Maybe KOTR would have a better argument for coming back if the winner didn't get saddled with some forced king gimmick but its lost its luster regardless |
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I can't have conversations about wrestling with people that didn't watch WWE until the '00s.
Like no s*** they didn't have KOTR winners headline Summerslam as a result because the last time an official KOTR pay-per-view happened was in 2002. LOL
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So the difference between winning KOTR and headlining Summerslam is making it a pay per view?
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Saitsuofleaves posted...
Bestoffuture posted...TheCurseX2 posted...King of the Ring was a way to headline Summerslam, second biggest show of the year. You have Royal Rumble for Wrestlemania, you had King of the Ring for Summerslam, they went together. Methinks you've forgotten the glorious reign of King Booker.
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The difference between KOTR and these dogs*** tournaments they got now is that IT MEANT SOMETHING.
This tournament is a series of random matches with nobody anybody knows. It's smark food, it's not selling the Network or putting something big on the line. Same thing with the previous tournaments. s***, one of the titles the tournament was based around is collecting residue in a gym bag somewhere in the UK. Contrast that to KOTR which had established talent all fighting for a once-a-year bragging right and big push opportunity. KOTR is the perfect slot to build hype for Summerslam as well as give a great showing for wrestlers you want to get over because these wrestlers are being watched every week on TV by having them perform multiple times in one night. It's in-ring drama that writes itself and it's that basic story which gives the KOTR its legitimacy as a beloved event. Not to mention the launch pad it was for guys like Austin, Edge, and Lesnar. I will bet you my blood that nobody is ever going to remember these s***ty tourneys on the Network in three years.
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Mercedes Martinez- Current Shimmer Champion, had some of the most memorable feuds in Shimmer with Cheerleader Melissa and Sara Del Ray and currently the Queen of The Indies.
Nicole Savoy- Currently a top indy female performer that is in Shimmer and has had some of the best high quality matches in Shimmer. Mia Yim- Another Shimmer/Shine Alumni, known for working with Leva Bates in the Tag Team of The Lucha Sisters, also has feuded with Leva and gone up against Mercedes, Melissa and Sara Del Ray. Candice LeRae- Tag Team Partner of Joey Ryan, works in Shimmer. Tessa Blanchard- Daughter Of Tully, currently a Shimmer Tag Team Champion with Vanessa Kraven, has feuded with Jessica Havok and others in Shimmer/Shine. Serena Deeb- Former Shimmer performer, has gone up against the best of Shimmer talent. Santana Garrett- Former 10 time Indy Champion that has held 10 belts at the same time, highly acclaimed on the Indy Scene. Dakota Kai- Also known as Evie from Shimmer, probably one of the best if not top kicker on the Indy Scene. Abbey Laith- Also known as Kimber Lee, multiple time Tag Team Champion with Cherry Bomb in Shimmer. .....yeah, I guess you are right. Nobody knows any of these woman that are going to be featured in this tournament, try harder next time.
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I wrestled a five star classic against a tarantula in Puerto Rico back in 2015. Guess I should be in a tournament too.
They're nobodies. Deal with it.
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TheCurseX2 posted...
I wrestled a five star classic against a tarantula in Puerto Rico back in 2015. Guess I should be in a tournament too. Exactly. And this isn't going to sell those people as characters. They're just wrestlers. Someone mentioned this adds value to the Network. If I'm a WWE fan who has the Network to watch PPVs and old stuff, this probably does nothing for me. In fact it probably - at best - annoys me because it is more of what I do not want. And if I'm a smark, I have the Network no matter what. So what's the point? It's just another HHH vanity project that generates no revenue.
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^then don't watch it. Don't care about it. Then you can stop whining about it, move on with your life, and let those that do care enjoy it.
Then one day when you run your own wrestling promotion and launch your own network, you can put whatever bulls*** you want on it, m'kay?
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The worst thing about these tournaments is that they aren't even worthy enough to be part of regular programming. Get rid of a cruiserweight match on RAW and have a tourney match in place.
crow102 posted... Mercedes Martinez- Current Shimmer Champion, had some of the most memorable feuds in Shimmer with Cheerleader Melissa and Sara Del Ray and currently the Queen of The Indies. Did you just prove his point?
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this is a network exclusive, not like it appears in front of you besides
The CWC was a huge success and created buzz for the CW division, which was botched on Raw but still. Same as the UK one, people were hyped about both UK matches at Takeovers
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On one hand WWE is cutting back on numerous expenses.
On the other hand WWE is having pointless tournaments with no-name wrestlers that don't generate revenue. If you ask me I would rather have pyro on shows that actually manner and people actually watch than fund tournaments that no one is going watch and will be forgotten about in three months. I completely forgot about the UK tournament until this topic brought it up.
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TheCurseX2 posted...
Bro get the f*** outta here with that. I got two words to make your little argument die the quickest death of all time. Ready? Don't blink or you'll miss it vanishing: But Macho King didn't become king by winning the King Of the Ring, he became King by beating King Duggan, who had beaten King Haku, who had beaten King Harley Race (the only one of the non-PPV winners to actually become a "king" for winning). He may have won the 1987 King Of The Ring (when he was the Macho Man), but that was back when it was a non-PPV tournament and really didn't lead to anything (as described, he didn't become "king" and didn't get anything for it). I mean even Tito Santana won it. What were you saying about revising history?
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no, I am saying that their is Woman's wrestling outside the WWE and for anyone to make a statement saying they are a bunch of nobodies is one of the dumbest things I have ever heard and I am loving this tournament and hope alot of them get signed because hate to break it to people but the woman in these tournament can out perform most of the female roster and have on the indy scene. Hell Mercedes alone, can pretty much out perform any female on the main roster.
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crow102 posted...
no, I am saying that their is Woman's wrestling outside the WWE and for anyone to make a statement saying they are a bunch of nobodies is one of the dumbest things I have ever heard and I am loving this tournament and hope alot of them get signed because hate to break it to people but the woman in these tournament can out perform most of the female roster and have on the indy scene. Hell Mercedes alone, can pretty much out perform any female on the main roster. They are nobodies. Sorry. Would also rather have pyro and stunts and better music than non-revenue generating indie rasslin
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crow102 posted...no, I am saying that their is Woman's wrestling outside the WWE and for anyone to make a statement saying they are a bunch of nobodies is one of the dumbest things I have ever heard and I am loving this tournament and hope alot of them get signed because hate to break it to people but the woman in these tournament can out perform most of the female roster and have on the indy scene. Hell Mercedes alone, can pretty much out perform any female on the main roster. No, because I watch wrestling for wrestling.
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TheCurseX2 posted...Bro get the f*** outta here with that. I got two words to make your little argument die the quickest death of all time. Ready? Don't blink or you'll miss it vanishing: Oh sorry, I didn't realize we were cherry picking what "king" gimmicks failed to try and prove a s*** point. You're right, KOTR never made anybody and didn't contain a single memorable moment like Austin 3:16. But that TJ Perkins? Man, what a legend in the making.
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Saitsuofleaves posted...
King of the Ring was also pointless. The last good KOTR Tournament was in 2008 when William Regal won it, because a King gimmick actually suited him as an Englishman IMO. Sorry for the spoiler tags, I haven't been modded all week and I'm trying to keep it that way, the event was about 9 years ago but they'd still probably say it was an unmarked spoiler.
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TheCurseX2 posted...
sniperfox29 posted...TheCurseX2 posted...Bro get the f*** outta here with that. I got two words to make your little argument die the quickest death of all time. Ready? Don't blink or you'll miss it vanishing: But that isn't what you claimed. You tried to justify the KOTR tournament with the Macho King, but Macho King didn't exist when Savage won a non-PPV king of the ring, and his "Macho King" gimmick is only related to the KOTR tournament itself via Savage beating Duggan who beat Haku who beat Race who did win the KOTR to become King. And surely all of these "pointless tournaments" actually give the KOTR itself a better shot since it shows the WWE is more interested in doing them again.
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So in other words the KOTR was a title/achievement that mattered and gave birth to one of the most memorable heel runs in the industry.
Thanks for proving my point and enjoy your upcoming tournament that nobody will give a s*** about in 2 weeks after it ends.
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So what else would you like to do to everyone's memories of KOTR in order to defend tournaments that will amount to nothing as the previous two have proven?As a Level 37 Sage, I expect to be treated with proper respect and acknowledged for my dedication to the GameFAQs Message Board Community as a whole. Thank you.Yeah, you are right..they are nobodies...you know, for example Santana who has a record for holding 10 titles at once...when has Alexa done that? Oh right, she has not or how about Mercedes who would destroy Noami in a match.....yeah, you are right these are nobodies except for the fact half of the current female roster could not even match them on their best day. Enjoy living in fantasy land while you can, I will enjoy the indy talent on TV destroying anything WWE has had to offer in the female wrestling division in years."This Sig Has Been Signed By ZurickSaves"Nothing, I just hope the WWE continues with as many tournaments as they like.
Maybe the KOTR will return, who knows? I just hope they use it better than they have previously.
Barrett was completely ruined by winning the tournament.
Sheamus was derailed by winning the tournament.
Regal COULD have been a success, but his own demons interfered.
The last real success was Booker T, back in 2006, and that was long after it ended its run as a PPV.I love to watch you cry
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no, I am saying that their is Woman's wrestling outside the WWE and for anyone to make a statement saying they are a bunch of nobodies is one of the dumbest things I have ever heard and I am loving this tournament and hope alot of them get signed because hate to break it to people but the woman in these tournament can out perform most of the female roster and have on the indy scene. Hell Mercedes alone, can pretty much out perform any female on the main roster.
They are nobodies. Sorry.
Would also rather have pyro and stunts and better music than non-revenue generating indie rasslin
No, because I watch wrestling for wrestling.
You like to watch people fake fight. Cool. I used to as well. Then I saw pretty much every combination of fake fighting possible.I don't drink. I don't smoke. I don't do drugs. I am your sXe hero.
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The random wrestling matches please Indy guys. But casuals don't give a f*** about strictly wrestling matches. They'll watch boxing or UFC. And you guys will say oh they lay on each other in UFC. Yeah but it's real fighting and not choreographed flips.
It's only on the WWE network so why even get upset about it?
The people that want to watch it will.Bobcats in 6.AndreLeGeant posted...sniperfox29 posted...
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no, I am saying that their is Woman's wrestling outside the WWE and for anyone to make a statement saying they are a bunch of nobodies is one of the dumbest things I have ever heard and I am loving this tournament and hope alot of them get signed because hate to break it to people but the woman in these tournament can out perform most of the female roster and have on the indy scene. Hell Mercedes alone, can pretty much out perform any female on the main roster.
They are nobodies. Sorry.
Would also rather have pyro and stunts and better music than non-revenue generating indie rasslin
No, because I watch wrestling for wrestling.
You like to watch people fake fight. Cool. I used to as well. Then I saw pretty much every combination of fake fighting possible.
And now you only care about entrances and music?I love to watch you cry
GT - Sniperfox29No, he's probably into good storylines and great presentation to justify good wrestling matches so you can have some form of investment from a fan's perspective when they happen.
These tournaments are all just generic matches with no personality talents that have the commentary table Wikipedia dump their meaningless accolades and culminate in winning something that has zero significance.As a Level 37 Sage, I expect to be treated with proper respect and acknowledged for my dedication to the GameFAQs Message Board Community as a whole. Thank you.TheCurseX2 posted...No, he's probably into good storylines and great presentation to justify good wrestling matches so you can have some form of investment from a fan's perspective when they happen.
These tournaments are all just generic matches with no personality talents that have the commentary table Wikipedia dump their meaningless accolades and culminate in winning something that has zero significance.
the last two winnrs won a championship, one of them culminated in a new division (which hasn't really been what they showed at the CWC) and the other will lead to a new brand.it rained the day i was born but i was the lightning on that stormsniperfox29 posted...So just like King Of The Ring then
Eh, while I disagree with TC that the King of the Ring was an amazing concept that worked, it's a bit dumb to say that the KOTR is filled with random nobodies. There were no hope entries like jobbers and tag team specialists thrown in, yes, but everyone was an established character on WWE television.
All three of these tournaments are loaded with a few recognizable faces and a ton of people who are nobodies even by indy wrestling standards, and both the CWC and UK Tournament resulted in s*** we were better off without (CWC gave us the s***ty new Cruiserweight division that nobody on earth cares about, and the UK Tournament gave us perhaps the most pointless and worthless title in WWE history).The Light Heavyweight championship from the '90s looks like a world title compared to those belts.
The CW and UK belts are literally throwing a championship on some random's shoulder, pointing to it, and telling the audience to pretend to care.As a Level 37 Sage, I expect to be treated with proper respect and acknowledged for my dedication to the GameFAQs Message Board Community as a whole. Thank you.SmashBurb posted...sniperfox29 posted...
So just like King Of The Ring then
Eh, while I disagree with TC that the King of the Ring was an amazing concept that worked, it's a bit dumb to say that the KOTR is filled with random nobodies.
All three of these tournaments are loaded with competitors nobody has heard of, and both the CWC and UK Tournament resulted in terrible things happening (CWC gave us the s***ty new Cruiserweight division that nobody on earth cares about, and the UK Tournament gave us perhaps the most pointless and worthless title in WWE history).
But the KOTR did lead to a load of generic matches with no backstory to them, and more often than not the end prize turned out to be completely worthless (and often detrimental to the wrestlers subsequent push).
And while the UK championship SO FAR hasn't gotten much momentum, it did produce a fantastic match between Bate and Dunne.
But that only really matters if you watch wrestling for, you know, wrestling.I love to watch you cry
GT - Sniperfox29sniperfox29 posted...But the KOTR did lead to a load of generic matches with no backstory to them, and more often than not the end prize turned out to be completely worthless (and often detrimental to the wrestlers subsequent push).
And while the UK championship SO FAR hasn't gotten much momentum, it did produce a fantastic match between Bate and Dunne.
But that only really matters if you watch wrestling for, you know, wrestling.
I agree that the KOTR's result was, more often than not, detrimental to wrestlers' pushes (namely when they had the King gimmick saddled on them).
Problem is, the CWC and UK Tourney were detrimental to the whole WWE product. The new Cruiserweight division has been god awful. The UK Title has been completely worthless outside of giving us one good match. I think both would've been better as special one-off events that didn't result in the creation of new titles or divisions, but if that were the case, there really wouldn't be any point to this at all other than showcasing unsigned talent and basically promoting the "competition" (using that term as loosely as humanly possible).
I know you're going with handwaving it all because "GOOD MATCHES ARE ALL THAT MATTERS!", but......no. Even if the KOTR did more harm than good, it didn't result in a herd of nobodies being dropped onto the air and having the commentators tell us that we should care about them. Which is essentially what the Cruiserweight division is. It's Brian Kendrick, Neville, and a bunch of guys you'd have expected to see in the ring ready to get squashed by Braun Strowman last summer on Raw.TheCurseX2 posted...No, he's probably into good storylines and great presentation to justify good wrestling matches so you can have some form of investment from a fan's perspective when they happen.
These tournaments are all just generic matches with no personality talents that have the commentary table Wikipedia dump their meaningless accolades and culminate in winning something that has zero significance.
Exactly. It's why I don't get into soccer. I just don't have the emotional investment. I was into indie wrestling when I knew WWE would never hire these guys at the time, and i cared about them showing the world that they were good and could do more than the big lugs WWE hired in the 00s. Plus I got into indie wrestling through the Punk/Raven feud so even the it was story that got me.I don't drink. I don't smoke. I don't do drugs. I am your sXe hero.
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The CW and UK belts are literally throwing a championship on some random's shoulder, pointing to it, and telling the audience to pretend to care.
ExactlyI don't drink. I don't smoke. I don't do drugs. I am your sXe hero.
They should build a mosque in mecca. Right next to the dome of the rock. -- Lord SideousHow is the UK title "detrimental" to the product? It's not being used on the main roster, it only turns up occasionally on NXT (where it is liked because the NXT crowd actually knows about wrestlers) and is being used on the UK independent scene and market, which was the whole point of it to begin with.
So I ask, how is this a "detriment" to the whole product?I love to watch you cry
GT - Sniperfox29Good for you, you didn't like it so you stopped watching. I know people who watch things to the end just so they can then complain about how they didn't like them.
Now you know you don't like these tournaments, so you have no need to watch them and no need to moan about things you don't watch.I love to watch you cry
GT - Sniperfox29sniperfox29 posted...How is the UK title "detrimental" to the product? It's not being used on the main roster, it only turns up occasionally on NXT (where it is liked because the NXT crowd actually knows about wrestlers) and is being used on the UK independent scene and market, which was the whole point of it to begin with.
So I ask, how is this a "detriment" to the whole product?
There's no reason for it to exist and is yet another title for a company that already has too many titles.
Having a title for nobodies that 90% of the viewers have never heard of makes no sense.sniperfox29 posted...Good for you, you didn't like it so you stopped watching. I know people who watch things to the end just so they can then complain about how they didn't like them.
Now you know you don't like these tournaments, so you have no need to watch them and no need to moan about things you don't watch.
They consume money and resources that could be spent elsewhere
They consume time that could be dedicated to something that might appeal to those other than super smarks who have the Network no matter whatI don't drink. I don't smoke. I don't do drugs. I am your sXe hero.
They should build a mosque in mecca. Right next to the dome of the rock. -- Lord SideousAndreLeGeant posted...sniperfox29 posted...
Good for you, you didn't like it so you stopped watching. I know people who watch things to the end just so they can then complain about how they didn't like them.
Now you know you don't like these tournaments, so you have no need to watch them and no need to moan about things you don't watch.
They consume money and resources that could be spent elsewhere
They consume time that could be dedicated to something that might appeal to those other than super smarks who have the Network no matter what
Why should I care what those people want when I'm getting what I want?I love to watch you cry
GT - Sniperfox29Because what you want is he cause for WWE having to cut something as basic as pyro and only netting $1m in profit during Q1 (which included Mania)I don't drink. I don't smoke. I don't do drugs. I am your sXe hero.
They should build a mosque in mecca. Right next to the dome of the rock. -- Lord Sideousninjabay posted...AndreLeGeant posted...
Because what you want is he cause for WWE having to cut something as basic as pyro and only netting $1m in profit during Q1 (which included Mania)
Those Millions spent in Lesnar and Goldberg?
They at least Spike a TV rating. Meanwhile if WWE just pays 10 CWs $100k (which is very low) then that is $1m completely wasted.I don't drink. I don't smoke. I don't do drugs. I am your sXe hero.
They should build a mosque in mecca. Right next to the dome of the rock. -- Lord SideousAndreLeGeant posted...ninjabay posted...
AndreLeGeant posted...
Because what you want is he cause for WWE having to cut something as basic as pyro and only netting $1m in profit during Q1 (which included Mania)
Those Millions spent in Lesnar and Goldberg?
They at least Spike a TV rating. Meanwhile if WWE just pays 10 CWs $100k (which is very low) then that is $1m completely wasted.
Didn't one of the last Lesnar appearances end in one of the lowest RAW figures ever?I love to watch you cry
GT - Sniperfox29Imagine if instead of three tournaments that do nothing for WWE they instead put those resources on something as simple as a show that has promos from current main roster talent to help build up their feuds and even add some spice to their character. Maybe let them go off the typical Raw/SD script.
Oh wait, that was Talking Smack.As a Level 37 Sage, I expect to be treated with proper respect and acknowledged for my dedication to the GameFAQs Message Board Community as a whole. Thank you.crow102 posted...Yeah, you are right..they are nobodies...you know, for example Santana who has a record for holding 10 titles at once...when has Alexa done that? Oh right, she has not or how about Mercedes who would destroy Noami in a match.....yeah, you are right these are nobodies except for the fact half of the current female roster could not even match them on their best day. Enjoy living in fantasy land while you can, I will enjoy the indy talent on TV destroying anything WWE has had to offer in the female wrestling division in years.
How many of those 10 titles meant anything?TERRA_RYZlN posted...crow102 posted...
Yeah, you are right..they are nobodies...you know, for example Santana who has a record for holding 10 titles at once...when has Alexa done that? Oh right, she has not or how about Mercedes who would destroy Noami in a match.....yeah, you are right these are nobodies except for the fact half of the current female roster could not even match them on their best day. Enjoy living in fantasy land while you can, I will enjoy the indy talent on TV destroying anything WWE has had to offer in the female wrestling division in years.
How many of those 10 titles meant anything?
It isn't really an accomplishment if some place that draws 500 people tops puts a belt on you. You didn't win anything.I don't drink. I don't smoke. I don't do drugs. I am your sXe hero.
They should build a mosque in mecca. Right next to the dome of the rock. -- Lord SideousAndreLeGeant posted...crow102 posted...
no, I am saying that their is Woman's wrestling outside the WWE and for anyone to make a statement saying they are a bunch of nobodies is one of the dumbest things I have ever heard and I am loving this tournament and hope alot of them get signed because hate to break it to people but the woman in these tournament can out perform most of the female roster and have on the indy scene. Hell Mercedes alone, can pretty much out perform any female on the main roster.
They are nobodies. Sorry.
Would also rather have pyro and stunts and better music than non-revenue generating indie rasslin
And you know who else were nobodies at one point?
Hogan
Savage
Austin
Bret
HBK
Rock
HHH
Cena
Orton
Edge
Punk
Bryan
RollinsWWE's problem today is that it produces too much wrestling and things are spread out too thin and the audience is burnt out on too much content. I would rather have a few hours of wrestling a week that was good and meant something rather than a dozen plus hours of filler.Despite all my rage I'm still just a rabbit in a cage
XBL Gamertag: ninjarabbitmegaTheCurseX2 posted...Imagine if instead of three tournaments that do nothing for WWE they instead put those resources on something as simple as a show that has promos from current main roster talent to help build up their feuds and even add some spice to their character. Maybe let them go off the typical Raw/SD script.
Oh wait, that was Talking Smack.
Do you actually have any proof that it was cancelled due to the budget cuts? Or are you just putting two and two together?
Because the latest rumour (and I do mean rumour, I'm not claiming it as fact as you do) is it was cancelled due to Vince not liking it.I love to watch you cry
GT - Sniperfox29No, that's why I said it was a rumour.
https://www.si.com/extra-mustard/2017/07/15/wwe-talking-smack-canceled-vince-mcmahonI love to watch you cry
GT - Sniperfox29I don't know how much they are paying for the outside talent to do these, but isn't the main problem with creative that Vince always gets the final say?
Also Talking Smack is such a low cost product to make, unless they pay Renee and DB that much more for doing it, or maybe I just don't understand anything and got it completely wrong.it rained the day i was born but i was the lightning on that storm- Boards
- Pro Wrestling: WWE
- Ugh, another pointless tournament.
- Boards
- Pro Wrestling: WWE
- Ugh, another pointless tournament.
Hence the term "might", I never said you were flat out wrong, just that you might be. Just as you can't prove your claims that it's a cost cutting measure because of the "s*** tournament" being held.
There is no proof at the moment, however if someone as big as Sports Illustrated is reporting it, I think I'll believe them over some nobody on a backwater wrestling page who has spent the last hundred posts crying over something he won't watch.I love to watch you cry
GT - Sniperfox29Typically if you're cutting pyro and decent shows but still hiring a bunch of people to contracts that nobody asked for, you can put two and two together.
But nevermind that s***, "Vince doesn't like it, I guess." lulAs a Level 37 Sage, I expect to be treated with proper respect and acknowledged for my dedication to the GameFAQs Message Board Community as a whole. Thank you.crow102 posted...Yeah, you are right..they are nobodies...you know, for example Santana who has a record for holding 10 titles at once...when has Alexa done that? Oh right, she has not or how about Mercedes who would destroy Noami in a match.....yeah, you are right these are nobodies except for the fact half of the current female roster could not even match them on their best day. Enjoy living in fantasy land while you can, I will enjoy the indy talent on TV destroying anything WWE has had to offer in the female wrestling division in years.
You can go on and on but to casual fans they are no bodies.sniperfox29 posted...Entirely possible with Vince.
He's like you:
Well nobody has heard of X so they won't like it.
And that's formed by a bunch of rumors and hearsay. I can see you're a bright star in a constellation.As a Level 37 Sage, I expect to be treated with proper respect and acknowledged for my dedication to the GameFAQs Message Board Community as a whole. Thank you.TERRA_RYZlN posted...Lukenatme posted...
TERRA_RYZlN posted...
TheCurseX2 posted...
Bro get the f*** outta here with that. I got two words to make your little argument die the quickest death of all time. Ready? Don't blink or you'll miss it vanishing:
Macho King.
Now apologize for trying to revise pro-wrestling history because you're some nobody that jumped on board mid '00s AT BEST.
No love for King Harley Race or the King of Harts?
King Haku.
Haku never won King of The Ring though.
They posted the bracket and everyone saw "Haku" and eliminated themselves immediately, or so the legend goes.- Boards
- Pro Wrestling: WWE
- Ugh, another pointless tournament.
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