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- AJ Styles, Nakamura, Kevin Owens all in huge angles why is Smackdown failing?
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The IWC's favorites are massive parts of the show, heavily protected with tons of TV time + spotlight.
Yet ratings are down, attendance is down and Smackdown is losing all momentum. Why do you think this is?
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The angles they are in aren't interesting at all.
Who would have thought?
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Because Jinder is champion
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It's the day after Raw and still comes across as a stripped down show in my opinion. Everyone's importance takes a hit just by being on that show. Cena is the best example of this since he's been in both recently.
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The WWE has no one to blame but themselves.....they listened to neckbeards overrate guys like Styles and Roode. Talented in the ring, but they lack starpower. They certainly are not going to get it from working in TNA/GFW or NXT. And the WWE has just not handled these guys right to build them into stars properly. They are pretty much resting on who they are and going with that.
Besides that, the overall product is just sour and sloppy. It doesn't matter who you are, you are likely to underachieve in this environment.
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And you can even look at Mahal. You cannot just stick a rocket up someone's ass, shoot them to the moon, and expect that he's a big star to your audience. The WWE makes that mistake with a lot of talent. They take talent that are obviously not that over, and sometimes have never been that over at all, and just hand them pushes and title reigns. The audience is not going to automatically connect with them.
Giving them a chance is nice, but you have to build them up for it properly. Don't just hand them things and act like they are so great all of a sudden.
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steph4here posted...
And you can even look at Mahal. You cannot just stick a rocket up someone's ass, shoot them to the moon, and expect that he's a big star to your audience. The WWE makes that mistake with a lot of talent. They take talent that are obviously not that over, and sometimes have never been that over at all, and just hand them pushes and title reigns. The audience is not going to automatically connect with them.
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Astley62 posted...
steph4here posted... But really terrible booking. AJ was great as champ when he was feuding with Ambrose and Cena. This is on booking.
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only the owens angle is huge and its the one thats actually seen a positive effect on ratings and such
the problem isnt the talent, the problem is the talent arent treated like top stars. reigns, for all the negative feedback, is booked like a top star and as a result hes a relative mover, but not as much as youd think because the other problem is wwe isnt popular enough to justify the amount of content it pumps out. its also very expensive to go to even house shows. theres loads of reasons why this is happening, but yeah people can spin it as lol indy stars dont draw if they like |
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lol @ feuding with jinder mahal and baron corbin being huge angles.
owens/shane has been decent tho.
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The Shakeup, and the booking post shakeup has done it. Smackdown was seen as awesome before that, especially with Talking Smack as a follow up. But the Jinder project (why he wasn't pushed towards the US title first as a test run I do not know), and everyone else sort of feeling minor league has led to a general apathy towards the show.
I can't say it's AJ, or the talent in general. I just don't think they're using them right. Nakamura is a guy who was amazing in New Japan, but some of that is lost in translation and he needed better propping up. The crowd does enjoy him, but its not what it should be. I feel like he too would benefit from feuding with Jinder for the US title. There's just not enough steam there now to where the WWE title makes sense for either of em. I don't think the show as a whole is bad. New Day/Usos is really fun, I like the Women's Division and KO is finally getting used how he should. But beyond that, things just feel really bland. |
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Who would've thought listening to a bunch of neckbeards would be bad for business?
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Kazi1212 posted...
Who would've thought listening to a bunch of neckbeards would be bad for business? Yes neckbeards wanted a long Jinder Mahal title reign, AJ Styles wrestling Corbin and Tye Dillinger, and getting rid of talking smack. Definitely what they would have wanted. They also wanted Orton to beat Wyatt clean at mania and Cena to take the belt off styles at the rumble.
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I stopped being interested in smackdown after talking Smack ended. The shit talking on there usually bled into smackdown but now it's just RAW lite again.
7/10 for me means it wasn't really bad or really good, but resting somewhere in the middle. -hulkhogan1
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Ugh. Please stop with the implications that "IWC favorites can't be stars".
Realistically, SD is doing about the same as it always has. Despite the brand split, despite being live, SD is still perceived as the "B" show/ brand by both WWE and the audience. On that merit, alone, it's always going to perform less than that of Raw. That's how WWE has acclimated the fans. As for the current stories on SD, the only one that really feels big is the KO/ Shane one. People like AJ and Nakamura, but their opponents (and the actual story of their feuds) just aren't that interesting. People really don't care about Corbin or Jinder. There are lots of people that still consider Jinder holding the top belt to be a complete joke. Neither Corbin nor Jinder are good at providing a "big fight" feel (at least not yet), and the stories haven't really been strong enough to be exciting. Thus, it's hard to drum up interest even when fan favorites are involved.
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KnivesCore714 posted...
Kazi1212 posted... The funny part is that the show that the "neckbeards" actually wanted (mid to late 2016) was beating Raw and doing the best numbers for Smackdown in ages.
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Smackdown was always the number two show, I don't know why people expect Raw numbers from it.
Also, it's not failing, so...
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The problem is who they are facing. Baron and Jinder are not good opponents. We'll see where the Kevin Owens thing goes.
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After the most recent shakeup, an incredibly disproportionate number of their biggest & most-over names are in Raw. Lesnar, Strowman, Cena, the Hardyz, all three members of the Shield, Balor, Wyatt and Enzo are all on Monday (and to a lesser extent, the Miz, who is a decently big name in his own right). Smackdown has AJ, KO, and the New Day (I wouldn't put Nakamura on that level with the casual crowd just yet, and certainly not Roode).
You give a show the appearance that it isn't as big as Raw, and the results are likely to match.
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It's boring as fuck.
End of discussion.
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Via_Negativa posted...
It's boring as fuck. Are you not sports entertained?!
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Dynedux posted...
Via_Negativa posted... no... it's total shite... and i can't believe i'm going to pre-order that shite that is WWE 2k18 all for that kurt angle DAYONE-ISH
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You have to have interesting angles. I mean TNA had great talent for years at a time and struggled to build momentum.
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Its fairly simple. Its way to predictable. Example: Even though Braun has been booked well he was then fed to Brock so Brock can lose to Roman at WM.
Jinger is champ because of the India tour. An attempt to draw that billion plus audience. Also while many of the wrestlers are talented, many of the new faces Owens, Rude, Baron, Sammy, etc... lack that IT factor IMO. They can wrestle but they dont have that thing that pulls you in and hooks you into wanting to watch them. And if course the writing has been subpar.
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becauase jinder mahal
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Smackdown sucks cant pinpoint whybitnjustndoes
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The Popo posted...
After the most recent shakeup, an incredibly disproportionate number of their biggest & most-over names are in Raw. Lesnar, Strowman, Cena, the Hardyz, all three members of the Shield, Balor, Wyatt and Enzo are all on Monday (and to a lesser extent, the Miz, who is a decently big name in his own right). Smackdown has AJ, KO, and the New Day (I wouldn't put Nakamura on that level with the casual crowd just yet, and certainly not Roode).
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No Undertaker, no John Cena, no Roman Reigns. Orton barely wrestles on show. Where are the women matches at
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DizzyTechno posted...
I thought you never watched Foreman22 posted... Its fairly simple. Its way to predictable. Jinder Mahal is the champion.
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It's down to star power and the mainstream audience, I mean last year Styles was feuding with Ambrose and Cena over the title, that's three established stars
Jinder Mahal and Nakamura? Get a grip! The storyline doesnt even pick up, they're not even having a Hell in a Cell match (which it really should be)
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BaronNugget posted...
Because Jinder is champion Right. Once they put the WWE Title on the Japanese guy who the majority of the casual audience barely know, that has 0 mainstream appeal, the ratings will skyrocket. Foreman22 posted... Its fairly simple. Its way to predictable. Example: Even though Braun has been booked well he was then fed to Brock so Brock can lose to Roman at WM. It's fucking amazing that you managed to twist this into somehow being Reigns' fault. EVERYTHING is his fault according to you guys. |
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Tc somehow completely overlooked how it was great when AJ was champ then took a decline in quality as soon as John cena took the title from him
Hmmm.... This is all bullshit. You know the answer. It's not because "hire durr Indy guys suck" it's because the show is written and booked terribly. Like shut up.
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IWC favorites can't be huge stars guys, Daniel Bryan never existed.
Only WWE guys can be top stars, like Roman Reigns. It doesn't matter if 700,000 turned off RAW this week right before his match. WWE doesn't need drastic changes, it's ok if the ship is 1/3 filled with water, it's still floating. |
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Fatestaykitchen posted...
Tc somehow completely overlooked how it was great when AJ was champ then took a decline in quality as soon as John cena took the title from him AJ Styles' title reign was snoozefest. Mahal's is much better This is all bullshit. You know the answer. It's not because "hire durr Indy guys suck" it's because the show is written and booked terribly. Like shut up. Wut? I love Kevin Owens. He's one of my favorite wrestlers today. Possibly in my current top 5. I think I was like the only one who wanted Owens/Goldberg to be a proper match instead of a squash
When the going gets tough, the tough go have a little cry in the corner.
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DizzyTechno posted...
KnivesCore714 posted... Beat RAW a grand total of......ONE time
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Eh, a lot of the talent barely gets tv time. Like Styles is over like rover but only ever appears once on the first hour of the show. The big heel champion only appears once on the first hour of the show. Nakamura appears once, during the first hour of the show. The women get one match and a couple of segments to be honest so I can't say anything there. The tag champions and hugely over guys get one segment on the whole show. Go back to AE, everybody that was over showed up more than one time per show. Storylines crisscrossed. I don't know why they didn't atleast do something where Jinder makes fun of Nakamura on hour one and then Nak does some pretaped response for hour two. Or even better, just snaps and run downs and beats their asses every week for them to narrowly get away. Baron Corbin for some reason gets multiple segments but Styles doesn't. It's just a oddly booked show.
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MrSCARY posted...
IWC favorites can't be huge stars guys, Daniel Bryan never existed. Ratings weren't great with Daniel on t.v. alone. Summer of punk ratings were just as bad as Ambrose ratings as well. They got slightly better views when Batista showed so he's kind of right. Before all the big Indy stars showed up ratings were far better than they at least are today. Wwe is stupid tho by continuing with reigns. Vince wanted Hogan out but won't pull the plug on reigns.
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Johnny Blaque posted...
Eh, a lot of the talent barely gets tv time. Like Styles is over like rover but only ever appears once on the first hour of the show. The big heel champion only appears once on the first hour of the show. Nakamura appears once, during the first hour of the show. The women get one match and a couple of segments to be honest so I can't say anything there. The tag champions and hugely over guys get one segment on the whole show. Go back to AE, everybody that was over showed up more than one time per show. Storylines crisscrossed. I don't know why they didn't atleast do something where Jinder makes fun of Nakamura on hour one and then Nak does some pretaped response for hour two. Or even better, just snaps and run downs and beats their asses every week for them to narrowly get away. Baron Corbin for some reason gets multiple segments but Styles doesn't. It's just a oddly booked show. Yeah but that stuff stopped instantly after the AE was over. I don't know why it did because Ruthless aggression wasn't pg.
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I lost interest in Smackdown as Mahal became champ and just kept being champion and sucking at it. They've also been doing worse in general since the draft. They did a better job of using their talent pre-draft. The guys they acquired like Zayn & Rusev are jobbed out or have their angles dropped. Owens is doing well enough but they managed to WWE his feud with Styles up and it was pretty bland.
Maze_ posted... Fatestaykitchen posted... LOL fuck no This is all bullshit. You know the answer. It's not because "hire durr Indy guys suck" it's because the show is written and booked terribly. Like shut up. You definitely weren't the only one. I was quite disappointed with it.
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SmashBurb posted...
BaronNugget posted... You're not wrong, but the WWE has done that to themselves. I love Nakamura but they have done nothing to build him for the casual audience and he shouldn't be getting the WWE championship yet. That said neither option they have given us at this point, Nak or Jinder, is a great direction. At the very least Nak is different right now and can wrestle a match. It's not much but different is a positive right now from the garbage they are giving us. Different isn't necessarily better but it isn't what we currently have. Worst part is that they had the easy out with the Money in the Bank briefcase and they shit that away for some reason. If they decided they didn't want Baron to have it anymore, have somebody challenge him for it and take it away from him. Having some... any third option for the title to go to now would be better than what we actually have.
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BaronNugget posted...
Because Jinder is champion
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Johnny Blaque posted...
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Byuusetsu posted...
I lost interest in Smackdown as Mahal became champ and just kept being champion and sucking at it I think he's doing great personally. What's wrong with him? He's a classic heel and a breath of fresh air
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They should've put Jinder in the title feud as third wheel and have him be part of Triple Threat and Fatal 4 Way title matches at some PPVs instead. Keep the belt on a draw in the first (Randy), switch to Styles, Nakamura or KO in the following months and maybe have the Maharadscha touch it for a week or two.
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The Kamikaze posted...
They should've put Jinder in the title feud as third wheel and have him be part of Triple Threat and Fatal 4 Way title matches at some PPVs instead. Keep the belt on a draw in the first (Randy), switch to Styles, Nakamura or KO in the following months and maybe have the Maharadscha touch it for a week or two. I hate short title reigns
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Maze_ posted...
Byuusetsu posted... He can't wrestle, is a mediocre-at-best talker, and is on steroids.
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