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We had great tag teams having great matches, Stone Cold and The Rock cutting legendary promos almost every week, Kurt Angle with hair, Undertaker not making weird grunts at the end of a promo and kicking ass all around, Kane and The Big Show being monsters and not the punchlines of a joke, and then there was Triple H and the women. That part of the show just sucked.
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Three great tag teams. Golden Age had about 3x as many
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snoochtonooch posted...
Three great tag teams. Golden Age had about 3x as many Yeah but TLC was still sick Too Cool was also a good team
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KnivesCore714 posted...
snoochtonooch posted...Too Cool was more over and entertaining than the "main event talent" we're saddled with today.Three great tag teams. Golden Age had about 3x as many
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snoochtonooch posted...
Three great tag teams. Golden Age had about 3x as many More than three. Way more. Unless you were 2 years old during the AE you'd realize that there was more than just Hardys, Dudleys and E&C
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Looking back with my memory, the Attitude Era was amazing. Physically looking back and watching shows on the Network, you realize how cheesy it was and the matches were really not that great, a lot of brawling with finish spamming.
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Nah, the Attitude Era was awesome, but people have realized that just 1999 sucked monkey balls as there were very few good matches that year, most matches on RAW ended in a DQ and the storylines were the absolute worst of Russo's shit.
2000 is arguably the GOAT though, and 1998/2001 are also very good.
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Every time people talk about the AE one of the most fondly remembered aspects is KURT ANGLE WITH HAIR
People can't stop talking about it Kurt Angle with hair won the Monday Night Wars Kurt Angle with hair beat the NWO Kurt Angle's hair decidedly did NOT suck
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Attitude era and nwo era was greatest thing ever Monday nite wars were epic
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Golden era still the king of teams
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HHH in 99-01 was fucking fantastic.
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Dynedux posted...
snoochtonooch posted...Three great tag teams. Golden Age had about 3x as many APA were garbage Hollys were trash Too Cool we're bottom tier talents kaietai were jobbers Headbangers were awful New Ago Outlaws are legit one of the best teams of all time and I neglected them in my first post Please tell me who these good teams were
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Living through the Attitude Era the first time around was great.
Rewatching the Attitude Era now, thinking it’s going to be just as entertaining as it was then... not so great. |
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bigblu89 posted...
Living through the Attitude Era the first time around was great. One reason why I haven't watched any of it on the WWEN, I'm afraid the memories will be tarnished(right word?) |
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Scorsese2002 posted...
bigblu89 posted...Living through the Attitude Era the first time around was great. My son loves the Royal Rumble match, so I started watching some from back then. It wasn’t pretty. |
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I recognize that it was WWEs greatest time period, but there is no way we are going back to it, I mean loads of people kicked off over Jinder's promo a few weeks back, that was pretty tame compared to some of the stuff that went down in the Attitude Era.
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BaronNugget posted...
I recognize that it was WWEs greatest time period, but there is no way we are going back to it, I mean loads of people kicked off over Jinder's promo a few weeks back, that was pretty tame compared to some of the stuff that went down in the Attitude Era. They could use elements from the AE that wasn't for vulgarity and shock, like how the entire roster would interact within one universe, every character had something to do, and they could pace the show better It's not all about curse words and shots of diva crotch and cookie sheets
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I agree, OP. It's just the hipster thing to discount the Attitude Era and call it overrated. Because "muh NXT".
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snoochtonooch posted...
BaronNugget posted...I recognize that it was WWEs greatest time period, but there is no way we are going back to it, I mean loads of people kicked off over Jinder's promo a few weeks back, that was pretty tame compared to some of the stuff that went down in the Attitude Era. Exactly. The writing was better back then. The show felt less disjointed, there was an "anything could happen" atmosphere, and sensible booking decisions which excited fans were made. Now the things from the AE we can leave behind: o Bloodbaths (tho a little bit of blood at the right moments would be good today) o Gratuitous swearing (tho we do need a higher standard of insults) o Shit workrate (the one area in which the post-AE WWE is unquestionably better) o Shock factor o Women's """"""wrestling""""""
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I didn't like that era too much. Super Austin , sexist match types , a Jerry Springer feel to it. Don't get me wrong Austin Vs rock at WM the first time was good but stuffike"oh now the ministry is mixed with corporation because .... Twist and feed everyone to Austin" annoyed me.
Not saying it was "unwatchable" or "100% bad" but honestly I preferred the Bret era or ruthless aggression era to AE
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I was born in '93. Literally grew up on the Attitude Era and even though a person like me should be prone to those rose tinted shades, I find it completely cheese. The beginning of the Ruthless Aggression Era was the best WWE Tv I've witnessed. Mid 2000-late 2001 was decent but once we got "the F out" things got great.
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Attitude Era matches were more exciting to watch. "Workrate" be damned.
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cjpdk posted...
snoochtonooch posted...BaronNugget posted...I recognize that it was WWEs greatest time period, but there is no way we are going back to it, I mean loads of people kicked off over Jinder's promo a few weeks back, that was pretty tame compared to some of the stuff that went down in the Attitude Era. Having impromptu throwaway matches won't increase WWEs popularity to the levels it did 20 years ago, people won't get invested in the product just by wrestling matches, they need storylines that fans can get hyped about as well as promos that have good intensity and like it or not cursing helps that as does blood in matches themselves
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snoochtonooch posted...
Dynedux posted...snoochtonooch posted...Three great tag teams. Golden Age had about 3x as many All of those were great. Your opinion is trash. Also: Bossman and Bull Buchanan Test and Albert Owen and Jarrett D'Lo and Mark Henry And then there's stable combinations (D'Lo and Henry kept tagging after the Nation split) and thrown together teams that worked great like the Unholy Alliance and Two Man Power Trip.
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Those are some of the worst teams I have ever seen. Can not come close to Demolition, the Hart Foundation, Steiner bros, bulldogs, strike force, rockers.....
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Bull Buchanan. What the literal fuck
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Sorry you can't recognize a good match when you see it.
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AE is still better today as it was back then.
The crowds actually being fans sells it to me. Watch Canadian Stampede's main event, the building was fucking shaking when Bret Hart came out.
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And Golden Age era had the better tag teams, easily. AE did have great tag teams though, and the division was still really great but compared to Golden Age? That was when tag team wrestling was at its best.
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2000 was amazing... but 99 mostly sucked and 98 was greatly hit or miss. The AE was a far cry from the 80s consistent quality. But 2000..... might be the best single year in wrestling simply for the WWF.
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there were negatives, but it was indeed the best time
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n00bsaib0t posted...
And then there's stable combinations (D'Lo and Henry kept tagging after the Nation split) and thrown together teams that worked great like the Unholy Alliance and Two Man Power Trip. Don't forget Right To Censor, which Buchanan was a part of I believe. It was a hilarious mock up of people who were offended by the AE.
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Savoots posted...
n00bsaib0t posted...And then there's stable combinations (D'Lo and Henry kept tagging after the Nation split) and thrown together teams that worked great like the Unholy Alliance and Two Man Power Trip. I didn't forget, I just didn't name any stables. I left out the ministry, corporation, and DX as well.
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2000 was amazing... but 99 mostly sucked and 98 was greatly hit or miss. The AE was a far cry from the 80s consistent quality. But 2000..... might be the best single year in wrestling simply for the WWF. Except WM 2000 , at least for me that's the worst WM
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n00bsaib0t posted...
I didn't forget, I just didn't name any stables. But you listed stable combinations.....
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Savoots posted...
n00bsaib0t posted...I didn't forget, I just didn't name any stables. I said "stable combinations" and clarified that I listed D'Lo and Mark Henry because they still tagged after their stable disbanded. I didn't name any other stable combinations.
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Look, whatever.
The AE regardless of quantity had a great tag division so let's just leave it at that.
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Actual World Champion level guys
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jasten posted...
2000 was amazing... but 99 mostly sucked and 98 was greatly hit or miss. The AE was a far cry from the 80s consistent quality. But 2000..... might be the best single year in wrestling simply for the WWF. I agree, though I'd equate it closer to mid 00 - mid 01 when they hit their peak in all things creatively. They took the foundations Russo and Ferrara built and combined it with a better in ring wrestling product and it was fucking amazing. After rewatching through that period of WWF I couldn't deny that out of all the eras I've watched it was probably the peak of my enjoyment of wrestling. It was the combination of all the creative elements done right that make wrestling awesome. Great characters and great stories with non heavily scripted promos and interviews, great wrestling with longer overall matches than before with a faster more exciting pace not having to adhere to a slower safer style creating such an exciting, anything can happen atmosphere that comes off so great for TV. They also didn't treat their audience like idiots and actually seemed to put their best effort into everything. An absolute blast to watch as a wrestling fan. I've seen a ton of era's from multiple promotions and that period sticks out as having more positives than negatives that I've probably ever seen before in one continuous period from a single promotion.
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Snake posted...
I agree, though I'd equate it closer to mid 00 - mid 01 when they hit their peak in all things creatively. I may be biased here but I think the first half of 2000 was far better than the second cause with the sloppy heel turns of Kane and especially Rikishi a lot of value was lost.
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llennroc posted...
I was born in '93. Literally grew up on the Attitude Era and even though a person like me should be prone to those rose tinted shades, I find it completely cheese. The beginning of the Ruthless Aggression Era was the best WWE Tv I've witnessed. Mid 2000-late 2001 was decent but once we got "the F out" things got great. You weren't even 8 by the time the attitude era was over.
7/10 for me means it wasn't really bad or really good, but resting somewhere in the middle. -hulkhogan1
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I don't think anyone dies the attitude era was great.
All that's happened is the Internet and social media was around then like it is now. Which means: 1. People have forgotten how stupid it was and how much of it was awful 2. People didn't on mass shit on every minute of it the way they do today. Watch any random episode of Raw that you like and imagine this smarky internet audience watching it today live, they would loathe it.
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Better tag team
t&a Or Tully Blanchard and Arn Anderson It's just so hard to choose
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Better tag team
head cheese Or Money Inc. God you guys might be right lol
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snoochtonooch posted...
Better tag team Goal post moving.
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A lot of people prefer 2000 but to me I loved how grittier it was under Russo and Ferrara's writing. 1997 and 1998 are my favourite 2 years in wrestling, but I think 1999 is really underrated. Foley's feud with Rock, the early days of the Ministry, the rise of HHH, and Austin's feud with Vince hitting new heights were really enjoyable to watch in my opinion.
One of the problems I think 2000 had was that while the match quality may have improved and the roster was the most stacked of the AE years, a lot of the card didn't have as much going on and became an afterthought, such as D'Lo Brown, Kaientai, Mark Henry, Mideon, Mosh, Gangrel, Big Bossman, Viscera and Godfather. Val Venis is one that I think of being completely stripped of the character and writing that got him over, and nothing else they gave him really worked. I think they did Tazz a huge disservice as well. The spring of 2000 was in my opinion the pinnacle of that year, but I think the summer was a drop in quality on the weekly shows.
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97 - 2002
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The writing was more coherent in 2000, but my favorite year of the WWF/E is 1998.
Best Kane (well, maybe a bit of badass decay compared to '97), best Taker, best DX, prime babyface Austin, prime McMahon/Corporation, best Sunday Night Heat, best Raw Is War (2000's arena is pretty good tho), and my favorite low/midcard gimmicks. '97 had some good promos, but there not many clear-cut babyfaces during that time, and the roster was still trying to recover from the New Generation years. People tend to overlook the bland stuff from '97. But I will say, the WWF definitely started to turn things around with the introduction of the Titantron and Raw Is War. '99 is probably the peak of Wrestlecrap for the Attitude Era (and for WCW), but people forget that we got some good stuff too. Before it got merged with the Corporation, the Ministry was fun. We had prime Shane. Hot Stephanie. The Brood. Debut of SmackDown!. Jericho. Kane & X-Pac's tag team entrance. Trish, I think. Lita, I think. Some of The Rock's best promos. 2001 was good before the Invasion... |
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It's just late spring and summer 99 that wasn't super great. And even then we had Rock and Foley.
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