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Wrestling has always been about stars. Personality is more important than anything.
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In what world were Ric Flair, Harley Race, Ricky Steamboat, The Great Kabuki, and Roddy Piper not "stars" in pro wrestling?
I mean, yeah, Wrestlemania had non-wrestling celebrities involved, but it wasn't like NWA didn't have its own stars of the ring. And fans outside of the then-WWF dome-of-denial knew them. It would be more accurate to state that Wrestlemania was about spectacle and Starrcade was about rasslin'. Both had stars, they just had product that focused on different things when using said stars. |
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spiffyone posted...
In what world were Ric Flair, Harley Race, Ricky Steamboat, The Great Kabuki, and Roddy Piper not "stars" in pro wrestling? Not in the way that Vince McMahon wanted. i.e. bringing in celebrities and turning his talents into celebrities. Ric Flair said himself that there were people who knew Hulk Hogan's name, but not his. |
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Skye Reynolds posted...
spiffyone posted...In what world were Ric Flair, Harley Race, Ricky Steamboat, The Great Kabuki, and Roddy Piper not "stars" in pro wrestling? Hogan was already something of a minor celebrity to non-wrestling fans due to his role in Rocky III, though, which was why Vince wanted him on the roster (and why more folks who weren't pro wrestling fans knew him more than they did Flair). And if not for the chance encounter of Cindi Lauper and Cap'n Lou on a plane ride, the Rock 'n' Wrestling connection wouldn't have happened, and with it the MTV specials that helped rocket Vince's desires for casual audiences. Again, a lot of the NWA talent were stars within the industry; they sold out arenas. They simply didn't have the spectacle of non-wrestling celebrity rubs to reach audiences outside of said arenas. Spectacle attracts casual audiences. Rasslin' didn't. Stars in both within their industry, though. |
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spiffyone posted...
And if not for the chance encounter of Cindi Lauper and Cap'n Lou on a plane ride, the Rock 'n' Wrestling connection wouldn't have happened, and with it the MTV specials that helped rocket Vince's desires for casual audiences. And without that chance encounter, there would have been no WrestleMania. |
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Skye Reynolds posted...
spiffyone posted...And if not for the chance encounter of Cindi Lauper and Cap'n Lou on a plane ride, the Rock 'n' Wrestling connection wouldn't have happened, and with it the MTV specials that helped rocket Vince's desires for casual audiences. Eh, I think there would've been something like Wrestlemania, if not Wrestlemania itself. Starrcade was quite successful on closed-circuit, and PPV was the next logical step. Vince, Crockett, and Gagne eventually would've moved in that direction anyway; Vince got there first and with a very hot property due to more casual appeal because of the whole Rock 'n' Wrestling tie. It was a gamble, yes, but it was still the next logical step nonetheless. And that gamble was as much, if not more, due to WWF's financials at the time as the territory set up. And while the outside celebrities brought in the casual observers, it was the in-ring stars from other territories that Vince poached that ensured the core fan demographic buys by said fans in those other non-WWF regions. |
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Hardcore_Adult posted...
Gagne just couldn't adapt to the times and by 1989, the AWA was in the s***. Well, yeah. His son Greg seemed to know where the business was heading and had ideas of how to respond (or so he and those who know him say), but Verne just didn't "get it" and by the time he tried he failed to see the larger picture still. The whole Pro Wrestling USA was a desperation move, and one where he failed to realize the hole in the proverb from the Arthashastra: While it may be true that the enemy of my enemy is my friend, that's only as long as he is not also an enemy of equal or near equal immediate threat to me. Verne shouldn't have made a deal with Crockett, as Jim had his eyes on the same win as Vince did. |
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I've peeped the Starrcade cards in the past and, with the exception of the first few ones and a couple throughout the '90's, the cards....sucked. Maybe I'm lacking context, but it often seemed like WCW wasn't properly booking what should've been their headlining PPV and a rival to Wrestlemania.
Hulk Hogan Vs. The Butcher (Brutus Beefcake) in '94. XD
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OK just a quick history lesson.
Back in the early days of WWF & WCW/NWA, WCW aired on TBS. For a brief period Vince bought up the time to air WWF. WCW fans were of course pissed, and demanded WCW be put on the air again. So WCW paid Vince to get the time back, and he used that money for WrestleMania 1.
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