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Because Warrior and Macho Man really hated Hogan for politicking but Bret and Undertaker also really hated HBK for politicking.
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Hogan. WCW puts him over the top.
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Hogan, easily. Look at the amount of time he kept himself at the top, and his contract with WCW.
HBK had 2 years pull.
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When you factor in that Shawn would act extremely unprofessional in the ring during the 90's I think he beats Hogan.
Listening to Bruce Prichard's podcast right now about Vader in the WWF and the way he treated him was just wrong.
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alphagamerXXL posted...
Hogan. WCW puts him over the top. Heatseeker500 posted... Hogan, easily. Look at the amount of time he kept himself at the top, and his contract with WCW. These, regarding WCW. Also, don't forget that Hogan basically came back to the WWF in 1993 and was given the belt during his comeback at WM9, with the then current champ (Bret) not even finding out that he'd be dropping the belt until just 2 days before the event. Per Prichard, Hogan was the one who brought up the idea to do this.
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RockLee94 posted...
When you factor in that Shawn would act extremely unprofessional in the ring during the 90's I think he beats Hogan. Hogan would just not fight certain people at all. Even when he did it would be straight burial to some.
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Those saying Hogan, you do realize he was a huge draw right? Not defending him or anything.
HBK politicked and destroyed careers (Vader's WWF run). He also wanted to destroy Rock's career early on because he was a threat to him. HBK only wanted to put his buddies over. He vacated the WWF title just so he wouldn't put Hart over. Only dropped the WWF title to Austin because Taker threated to beat his ass if he didn't.
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pipebomb_phil posted...
Those saying Hogan, you do realize he was a huge draw right? Not defending him or anything. When the irresistible politician met the immovable politician, Hogan went over with the big leg in the middle, 1-2-3 for life, brother!
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pipebomb_phil posted...
Those saying Hogan, you do realize he was a huge draw right? Not defending him or anything. Yes and i still say hogan. The topic was who was worse and it was Hogan. Hogan only put his buddies over as well during his days of backatage politics. Both are bad but hogan did it far longer which makes hom worse. Why are you acting like Hogan didn't do the same s*** hbk did? Rock and stone cold were huge draws but they didn't do s*** like that. Stone cold did other petty s*** like not wanting to lose to Brock but meh.
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Heatseeker500 posted...
Hogan, easily. Look at the amount of time he kept himself at the top, and his contract with WCW. More than 2, but yeah. This. RockLee94 posted... Listening to Bruce Prichard's podcast right now about Vader in the WWF and the way he treated him was just wrong. Shawn's back was f***ed and he didn't want to work with Vader because he was notoriously stiff in the ring. I fail to see the problem.
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pipebomb_phil posted...
Those saying Hogan, you do realize he was a huge draw right? Not defending him or anything. Yep. Grew up with him as my favorite when I was a kid. Doesn't take away from his backstage stuff. Back in the 80s, he gave his veto to a feud with Jake Roberts after taking a DDT and hearing the crowd cheer for it. Jake might've been on a whole other level if that feud takes place. And as for destroying careers, other wrestlers have stated that the Finger Poke of Doom was Hogan's idea. That was debatably a major factor in the downfall of a whole company.
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Lord_Wombat posted...
Heatseeker500 posted...Hogan, easily. Look at the amount of time he kept himself at the top, and his contract with WCW. Shawn's back wasn't f***ed going into his early encounters with Vader, and even if it was who the f*** is Shawn to treat Vader like he did? Shawn was a draw in his own mind back then. Great performer but the ratings sucked with him as champ just like they did for everyone else back then. Shawn was just on an ego trip with Vader, nothing more.
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The Popo posted...
pipebomb_phil posted...Those saying Hogan, you do realize he was a huge draw right? Not defending him or anything. Others have also said the finger poke of Doom was supposed to lead to Goldberg demolishing the nWo on his way to Hogan but Goldberg was too stupid to not punch through a window.
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pipebomb_phil posted...
Those saying Hogan, you do realize he was a huge draw right? Not defending him or anything. Adding on to that, let's bring up Ahmed Johnson. The man who was white hot over with both the crowd and Vince, and was poised to be the first black WWF Champion, getting driven out of the company because HBK told him to stop diving over the top rope and doing jump kicks because a 300 pound guy doing those kinds of athletic moves made a scrawny guy like Shawn doing those same moves look pathetic.
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HBK for sure.
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Hogan for 2 reasons
1 the winner of the title at wrestlemania IX in a match between Bret Hart vs. Yokozuna was hulk Hogan! 2 he used his politicking to beat hbk. Surely if hbk was better at it he'd have won and not had to over sell.
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ssjmole posted...
Hogan for 2 reasons I hate HBK for that s*** he did. He made pro-wrestling as a whole look bad. I'm surprised people didn't ask for refunds because HBK sold the match like a complete joke with his overselling. That's a huge middle finger to the crowd. HBK should've just been the better man and let Hogan beat him. Instead he whined like a little kid because he wasn't going to get a win over Hogan. That's f***ing immature. If I was Vince I would've fired HBK for pulling that stunt. It's crazy how HBK thinks he was at Hogan's level in terms of drawing power. Again, I'm not defending Hogan or anything, but in this case HBK acted childish ass hell like he did in the 90s. I'm aware Hogan didn't want to put HBK over in the SS match either, but it's Hogan. He's a draw. The match was billed as icon vs. icon. You can't have the real icon lose to someone that laughably believes he's in the same league as Hogan. That's crazy. Hogan had no problem putting Rock over at WM X8. IIRC Hogan was supposed to go over but he thought it was best to put Rock over. I'm not sure if this is true. I heard Hogan vs. Austin didn't happen because neither wanted to lose. But the outcome of that match never happening was for the best since Austin was nearing the end of his career and Hogan didn't need to win or lose. It would've been a great dream match though and either one could've won. I can't imagine who would go over. Maybe Austin.
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pipebomb_phil posted...
ssjmole posted...Hogan for 2 reasons No idea if 100% true but there was meant to be 2 hbk matches but Hogan suddenly got his back hurt and could only do the one match if he won. I can see why hbk was annoyed. Plus hbk was a big draw at the time. I agree he wasn't in 90s untill DX but at the time he was and should have been put over by Hogan as he was still sticking around Hogan left WWE cause he couldn't go over Brock , in wcw I'm sorry this was worse than anything hbk did :  Like I said wrestlemania IX was just terrible. Hogan is the worst out the 2. Not the worst ever mind that's HHH
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ssjmole posted...
Hogan for 2 reasons The Bret/Yoko match was over. Hogan won the Hogan/Yoko match.
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at least hogan drew money
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n00bsaib0t posted...
ssjmole posted...Hogan for 2 reasons He did but it was a match he wasn't meant to have. Imagine bwhen Daniel Bryan was over if WWE made Daniel Bryan Vs Orton for the title at WM and it ended with John Cena coming out and beating Orton for the title. It's not like he had MITB he just came out and won when Bret was ready to be the guy. Luckily X made up for it
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bigbug1992 posted...
pipebomb_phil posted...Those saying Hogan, you do realize he was a huge draw right? Not defending him or anything. Actually Hogan and a lot of stars had the same mindset on that especially in wcw. Even stone cold agreed that big guys shouldn't be doing those moves because it took away that being what gets the smaller guys over. What hbk did was wrong, but his reasoning was right. That's partly why the cruiserweight division sucks now because seth, aj and the whole damn roster suicide dives. @bigbug1992
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The fact that Hogan never lost by pin fall to Randy Savage is all you need to know.
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GameGearFear posted...
bigbug1992 posted...pipebomb_phil posted...Those saying Hogan, you do realize he was a huge draw right? Not defending him or anything. Also Ahmad would have screwed himself over in the long run anyway, Shawn just accelerated the process. Stone cold did other petty s*** like not wanting to lose to Brock but meh. Austin didn't want to lose to Brock will no build because he felt a PPV match between the two could make money, a throwaway KOTR qualifier on RAW made him look bad. Brock winning was not the problem.
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Hogan by far. Shawns so called "reign of terror" was significantly shorter then Hogan. Hogan easily started in the mid-late 80s in the WWF and carried all the way to WCW in 2000. And of course brought some of his cronies to TNA 10 years later.
Not to mention what somebody else said too, that if Shawn was better then he would of beat Hogan. Not the other way around.
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ssjmole posted...
n00bsaib0t posted...ssjmole posted...Hogan for 2 reasons Imagine if WWE made Cena vs DiBiase vs Orton vs Sheamus vs Kofi vs Triple H for the title and it ended with Batista coming out and beating Cena for the title. 
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I can argue that for the 2000's decade Shawn was a bigger draw and had more of an impact in the business than Hogan. By the time they wrestled at Summerslam Hogan was part time and on his way out. He really had no business going over Shawn at that point in his career.
Also Hogan had a huge hand in running WCW into the ground. Shawn never came close to doing the kinda damage that Hogan did in WCW.
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Bujubounty posted...
I can argue that for the 2000's decade Shawn was a bigger draw and had more of an impact in the business than Hogan. By the time they wrestled at Summerslam Hogan was part time and on his way out. He really had no business going over Shawn at that point in his career. HBK was never a bigger draw than Hogan, at any point. Don't kid yourself.
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I'd say Shawn. Hogan did it more and for longer, but Shawn pulled some a****** s*** and was high as f*** the last 2-3 years before his retirement in 98. He seemed to have Vinces ear more than anyone else ever had.
Hogan really made WCW grab its ankles while he f***ed it though, that's for sure
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Conception616 posted...
Bujubounty posted...I can argue that for the 2000's decade Shawn was a bigger draw and had more of an impact in the business than Hogan. By the time they wrestled at Summerslam Hogan was part time and on his way out. He really had no business going over Shawn at that point in his career. ^this. hbk was not a bigger draw than Bret Hart either. HBK and Triple H wish they were huge draws like Hogan. They'll always be salty about that. Why do you think WWE always shoves them as being the best ever down people's throats? Because HBK and Triple H were never huge draws and they want people to believe they were.
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pipebomb_phil posted...
Conception616 posted...Bujubounty posted...I can argue that for the 2000's decade Shawn was a bigger draw and had more of an impact in the business than Hogan. By the time they wrestled at Summerslam Hogan was part time and on his way out. He really had no business going over Shawn at that point in his career. Hbk wasn't but it's obvious you have a bigger bias against hbk than you do Hogan. As evidenced by you only replying to any post that puts hbk in a bad light. They are both pieces of s***, but hogan was far far worse. Anything you can say about hbk Hogan has done it longer and in 2 companies no less. Screwed savage in 2 companies and unlike hbk basically ran another one in the ground. Hogan even skipped small cities unlike hbk and put on far worse matches due to his booking than hbk ever did. All you have in Hogan defense is that he was a draw which means f*** all to this conversation. That's like me using Hogan as racist to say he's worse, doesn't make sense to use in the context of who did worse backstage. @pipebomb_phil
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Dynedux posted...
I'd say Shawn. Hogan did it more and for longer, but Shawn pulled some a****** s*** and was high as f*** the last 2-3 years before his retirement in 98. He seemed to have Vinces ear more than anyone else ever had. 1 company vs 2 companies, Hogan is far worse. Both f***ed over other people so why people keep mentioning this like only hbk did this is astounding, but he's forgiven because he was a draw and he's Hogan. Hogan s*** had longer term affects to.
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GameGearFear posted...
Dynedux posted...I'd say Shawn. Hogan did it more and for longer, but Shawn pulled some a****** s*** and was high as f*** the last 2-3 years before his retirement in 98. He seemed to have Vinces ear more than anyone else ever had. As I said, Hogan did it for longer in two places, granted. He didn't throw tantrums in the ring on live TV, he wasn't a giant dickhead high as f*** to everyone around him 24/7. He protected his spot at the expense of others, Shawn was an instigating a******. If I'm getting f***ed over at my job by someone I'd prefer it be the guy who's at least professional about it instead of the sniveling drug addict and his circlejerk of buttgrabbing a****** friends And I say this as the biggest HBK fan in the world. The dude has been my wrestling Idol since forever.
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Hogan, he helped two companies become big but incase of atleast one company he was one of major factors behind it's fall, in TNA(yes I know but he again held younger guys down) he again abused pull. HBK was bad but he has not caused any damage to a company. HBK could atleast lose clean to younger guys sometimes, Hogan wanted to go over whenever he could. Behind the scenes Hogan and HBK were both huge primadonnas, arguably two of the biggest in WWE history.
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GameGearFear posted...
RockLee94 posted...When you factor in that Shawn would act extremely unprofessional in the ring during the 90's I think he beats Hogan. I heard this happened with Rick Rude cause Rude could not only outwrestle him but for real life just wreck Hogan
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Something that irks me about HBK is how they act like he was a part of the DX hey day. So he is literally living off of the good vibes from freaking Billy Gunn and Road Dog.
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People keep on bringing up WCW, but here's the thing: WCW didn't have guys like Pat Patterson, Monsoon, Vince Mcf***ingMahon and others running s*** in the back and keeping people in check.
If Shawn went to WCW and had any of the pull Hogan did (which he wouldn't have had because he was never the draw Hogan was), I have a feeling s*** would turn out way worse for that company. Like, I could seriously see him, with WCW Hogan powers, doing something like tell the cruiserwieght guys to tone it down a bit on stuff so they don't make DA SHOWSTOPPAH's arsenal seem a bit insignificant. |
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Dynedux posted...
GameGearFear posted...Dynedux posted...I'd say Shawn. Hogan did it more and for longer, but Shawn pulled some a****** s*** and was high as f*** the last 2-3 years before his retirement in 98. He seemed to have Vinces ear more than anyone else ever had. Of course Hogan didn't, he had already done his politicking backstage and f***ed someone over before the show. There was no reason to do it in the ring because he had already got his way. The correct answer is Hogan and it's the only answer. |
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HBK was a huge dick but Hogan helped bankrupt WCW so i would say hogan
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Dynedux posted...
GameGearFear posted...Dynedux posted...I'd say Shawn. Hogan did it more and for longer, but Shawn pulled some a****** s*** and was high as f*** the last 2-3 years before his retirement in 98. He seemed to have Vinces ear more than anyone else ever had. At least hbk didn't help in the destruction of my place of employment.
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HBK was a known ass in the 90s with lots of personal issues but he learned from mistakes and from that standpoint makes it seem like Hogan was worse no?
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GS4Life posted...
HBK was a known ass in the 90s with lots of personal issues but he learned from mistakes and from that standpoint makes it seem like Hogan was worse no? The same Hogan who put over everyone in his last main roster run to the point that beating Hogan meant nothing?
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Both were bad at certain points but ill go with Hogan cause he did it for longer between multiple companies. As much as I love HBK one thing I didn't like back in the day is how he never wanted to loose any title, would always find a way to vacate it somehow before he was to loose it lol. Like someone else said Undertaker had to threaten him & stand behind the curtain to make sure he dropped the WWE title to Stone Cold.
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