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I think we can all agree the purpose of ending an undefeated streak should be to push an up and comer rather than to help someone who is already an established main eventer.
These are the four I can think of: Asuka Undertaker (at Wrestlemania) Goldberg Tatanka In all of these cases (except Tatanka), the undefeated person was defeated by someone who was already established and had won world titles before. In Tatanka's case, he was defeated by an up and comer (Ludvig Borga), but then they did absolutely nothing with him. Has ending a streak ever been done correctly? --- Sig
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Charlotte's PPV streak would have been if it had ended at WM
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yes. an over-aged, broken down man with hip problems got beaten by a former ufc heavyweight champion.
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thebatz posted...
yes. an over-aged, broken down man with hip problems got beaten by a former ufc heavyweight champion. But... But... He's the Deadman!!! :( |
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thebatz posted...
yes. an over-aged, broken down man with hip problems got beaten by a former ufc heavyweight champion. Realistically, there are a lot of people that could have defeated The Undertaker in a real fight. But that's not what this topic is asking. |
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Brock was established, yes, but beating the Undertaker has put him on another level. Imo, even if you think the match at Wrestlemania sucked, if their goal was to make Lesnar look like an unbeatable monster, it definitely worked. Plus, they allegedly had considered ending the streak using someone more up and coming, like Barrett or McIntyre, but decided the backlash it would have potentially created would have been marks on their careers.
People would have hated the booking of anyone who beat the Undertaker at wrestlemania the first time, the only thing you could have really done was let him retire undefeated. And then you'd have the opposite where people would say the streak was a waste, because he never put anyone over with it. |
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Undertaker - Brock became a massive attraction because of that moment mixed with UFC stuff plus he's not on TV enough for it to have gotten annoying hearing about it "Umaga" wasn't bad as he wasn't WWE title ready so having Cena beat him not bad as he got to the top Goldberg bit took so much to actually beat him he looked strong in his loss. Tatanka similar to Goldberg looked strong as they had to cheat to do it Rusev similar to umaga. But he had beat Cena and more
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Kozlov's undefeated streak was ended by the young up and comer, shawn michaels
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the problem is often the storyline going into the match.
the undertaker streak for example had one shitty storyline going into the match. it sucked. it didnt build hype. then by a fluke undertaker gets hurt at the beginning of the match and we end up with the iconic streak ending terribly....and to top it all off.....michael fucking cole commentated that ending and it was horrible. had this been some kind of undertaker legacy showcase of all of his accomplishments where we got 20 years of his history wrapped up into this feud.....the streak ending would have worked. plus you could still swerve the audience by having him retain and in that case both outcomes feel good. heck if the feud just played into the fact that brock always beat the undertaker so the undertaker was using his immortal streak to finally slay his own demon it would have worked. Asuka's problem i think stems from her lack of english skills honestly. her screaming promo after the match at wrestlemania was off putting. and the hype video package for that feud suffered because she seemed to have one volume and that was "SCREAMING". if she had a manager that could have hyped her up as the shit and they really built up the shes unstoppable and Flair is a dying queen.....this could have been great. NJPW wrestlers usually are not great talkers. though the match was at least pretty good if you ask me. |
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HulkSmash80s posted...
Brock was established, yes, but beating the Undertaker has put him on another level. Imo, even if you think the match at Wrestlemania sucked, if their goal was to make Lesnar look like an unbeatable monster, it definitely worked. Plus, they allegedly had considered ending the streak using someone more up and coming, like Barrett or McIntyre, but decided the backlash it would have potentially created would have been marks on their careers. Lesnar was booked like a monster starting with his match against Cena at Summerslam. Even his Undertaker match, Taker got quite a bit of offense. It wasn't a squash. I also don't mean someone in jobber territory defeating the streak. But someone who just needs that last push to finally make it to the main event. Ziggler or Wyatt at the time would have been a good candidates. (Not anymore, because those two lose every feud and are worthless now.) DDP similarly could have become HUGE if he was the one who broke Goldberg's streak. Instead, he never quite saw the same popularity as his contemporaries, even despite winning the world title eventually. |
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Asuka losing was great. Charlotte is a damn good wrestler, even if she's pushed too hard. It's not like Asuka is derailed over this either.
Undertaker losing is literally the biggest shock in wrestling history. Brock has carried the weight and made himself probably the most dominant wrestler of all time.
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Brock was in a bad situation before he beat Taker.
Since he had been back he lost to Cena, had a 50/50 program with HHH, beat Punk only with Paul cheating and squashed Big Show. Nobody gave a shit about him and nobody thought he’d beat Taker, it felt like he wrestled him because he had nothing else. If he lost that he was done as a draw.
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bigpatpunchhard posted...
Kozlov's undefeated streak was ended by the young up and comer, shawn michaels And we got the best match in Mania history because of it, your point?
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KiwiTerraRizing posted...
Brock was in a bad situation before he beat Taker. He didn't have to fight Taker at Mania. He could have squashed him outside of it. And yeah, his booking up to the Mania match was terrible, I will agree. |
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BaronNugget posted...
And we got the best match in Mania history because of it, your point? wow, can't believe Hogan/Rock happened because of HBK/Kozlov
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PunkRockGiik posted...
He didn't have to fight Taker at Mania. He could have squashed him outside of it Yeah wheb it doesn't fucking matter who beats Undertaker. Great thinking.
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KyleKG posted...
PunkRockGiik posted...He didn't have to fight Taker at Mania. He could have squashed him outside of it Squashing Taker is different from simply defeating him. If Lesnar had squashed all of the main eventers on the roster, he would still have his unbeatable monster status. Him defeating Undertaker's streak didn't create any new stars or generate any new money for the WWE, which is what the point of breaking a streak should be.
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KyleKG posted...
Asuka losing was great. Charlotte is a damn good wrestler, even if she's pushed too hard. It's not like Asuka is derailed over this either. the story the Asuka vs Charlotte was bad is the point. undertaker losing was shocking for shockings sake. the story to it was garbage as was the match. this should have been audibled into an undertaker win. |
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My problem with the Asuka loss was that Charlotte hadn't worked on Asuka's leg at all. Had she worked on it some, apply the figure 8, Asuka gets out and Charlotte later on puts it on again and Asuka taps, then I wouldn't have been so salty over it
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I remember Kurt Angle losing to Tazz being pretty good.
Tazz was new to me at least; I hadn't watched ECW. EDIT: 
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kayoticdreamz posted...
undertaker losing was shocking for shockings sake Idiotic and wrong. The point was to make Lesnar be on a different level from literally everyone and to give him a strong accolade. They were wildly successful. kayoticdreamz posted... the story to it was garbage as was the match. The story was run of the mill Undertaker stuff. The match was hobbled considerably by Undertaker getting rocked by a suplex. And doesn't change the effect of his loss. kayoticdreamz posted... this should have been audibled into an undertaker win. Dumbest thing said of all time.
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Not that I can think of...even LU messed up Matanza's.
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thebatz posted...
yes. an over-aged, broken down man with hip problems got beaten by a former ufc heavyweight champion.
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Yes, and recently. The most recent time a steak was broken in a respectful manner was WM34 and Asuka tapped out to Charlotte.
I know the pieces fit, 'cause I watched them fall away.
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KyleKG posted...
Asuka losing was great. Charlotte is a damn good wrestler, even if she's pushed too hard. It's not like Asuka is derailed over this either. This
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archenemy_1314 posted...
Yes, and recently. The most recent time a steak was broken in a respectful manner was WM34 and Asuka tapped out to Charlotte. Again, this created 0 new stars, and generated 0 money for WWE. The opposite of what ending the streak should do. |
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PunkRockGiik posted...
archenemy_1314 posted...Yes, and recently. The most recent time a steak was broken in a respectful manner was WM34 and Asuka tapped out to Charlotte. By this logic, nothing can create new stars or generate money since WWE is such a lowbrow source of entertainment that can't generate new fans or new sources of income.
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So we're REALLY gonna ignore EC3 being undefeated for over 900 days...
And while his first true singles loss against Matt Hardy ended in a convenient way of having his bodyguard betray him, his "unpinned, un-submitted" run ended with a nice touch of using the Bret Hart/Roddy Piper Wrestlemania VIII ending. Bennett sold the win perfectly too.
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archenemy_1314 posted...Yes, and recently. The most recent time a steak was broken in a respectful manner was WM34 and Asuka tapped out to Charlotte. It made me actually give a damn about asuka, shouldn't that count.
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kayoticdreamz posted...
the undertaker streak for example had one shitty storyline going into the match. it sucked. it didnt build hype. then by a fluke undertaker gets hurt at the beginning of the match and we end up with the iconic streak ending terribly....and to top it all off.....michael fucking cole commentated that ending and it was horrible. Let's not get too carried away here, Michael Cole's final line was amazing and is probably the first thing I hear when I think of the Streak. *1, 2* "The streak!..." *3* "...is over..." *complete silence for many minutes*
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The Undertaker's streak end was never going to be anything better than well enough even if they did a good job (which they did). It was just to hyped, to long and to impossible to deliver.
Which Goldberg streak are we talking about? I've tried to block him out of my mind. Watching him fried my brain worse than Bret's. ECW streaks were the best. It's a shame every dang 1 of them was sabatoged by either Vince or Eric. RVD, Taz, Mike Awesome etc had streaks that weren't just streaks, they were streaks that people bought into and thought could end with every match. And whoever lost to them didn't lose any of their own heat. The thing about that is, drunk minds usually speak the truth - 1NfamousACE_2 on Riley Cooper |
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Beating the Undertaker made Brock look like a threat again after he spent the previous year losing to HHH and needing help to beat Punk.
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SideKicks posted...
So we're REALLY gonna ignore EC3 being undefeated for over 900 days... yes he was a huge bitch for most of it, it was only good in the last few months |
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Who ended Glacier's undefeated streak?
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Vol2tex posted...
Who ended Glacier's undefeated streak? If Glacier had a streak, I'm sure Goldberg ended it. There were several secondary streaks that midcarders had just so Goldberg could end them. WCW literally had jobbers for Goldberg who had their own jobbers so they could be Goldberg's jobbers. What? The thing about that is, drunk minds usually speak the truth - 1NfamousACE_2 on Riley Cooper |
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Charlotte over Asuka was good. Brock over Taker was good. As for one that hasn’t been mentioned yet, Hogan over Andre was done very well. Remember, Andre was being sold as never being beaten in his entire career.
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Brock beating Taker was one of the worst booking decisions in wrestling history.
As for Charlotte beating Asuka, I'd say the jury's still out on that. It really depends on where Asuka goes from here, whether it was the right or wrong call to have her lose at Mania. Asuka had to lose sooner or later, and contrary to conventional smark wisdom, having someone who isn't established do it would backfire. Having Carmella cash in this week definitely helps. Here's what I think they should do going forward: 1. give Charlotte her rematch, and have Carmella retain in dirty fashion. 2. have Paige declare a Wrestlemania rematch between Charlotte and Asuka at Backlash, to determine the #1 contender. Asuka wins, evening the score between them. 3, Have Asuka defeat Carmella and become the new champion. 4. Asuka and Charlotte have their blowoff match at Summerslam. Either one can win (though I'd prefer Asuka because I like her more), as long as the loser continues getting a solid push afterwards. |
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kayoticdreamz posted...undertaker losing was shocking for shockings sake imagine being this wrong that your only counter argument is that I am dumb. your debate skills are a clear 10/10 |
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PunkRockGiik posted...
I think we can all agree the purpose of ending an undefeated streak should be to push an up and comer rather than to help someone who is already an established main eventer. I don’t understand this notion that streaks need to be broken by future stars. It can be used to put an established star on an whole other level or put over an up and comer. Not everything needs to be about “the future”.
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I liked Kurt beating Joe, but the internet, and the TNA board hated it
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The Popo posted...
Charlotte over Asuka was good. Brock over Taker was good. As for one that hasn’t been mentioned yet, Hogan over Andre was done very well. Remember, Andre was being sold as never being beaten in his entire career. Asuka losing wasn't good...lol. Also Andre had been slammed by that point already, but WWE revisionist history and all that.
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not__shawn__z posted...
I liked Kurt beating Joe, but the internet, and the TNA board hated it That was due to Angle just coming in and his first major feud was with a guy who had been built so strongly that it made sense for him to be the next undefeated World champion. Instead TNA continued their reputation of pushing WWE guys over their own homegrown talent. It seemed like they wasted his streak just to push Angle with Angle making things worse by his body being so fucked up at that point that he had to call the match early. So Joe lost his first match in TNA in 13 minutes in a sub par match. You can understand why fans would be pissed. Joe would go on to lose to Angle a lot more times than he would beat him to the point where by the time he finally won the title from him two years later, all his momentum had been lost and it meant so much less than what it would have if his streak had gotten that payoff of Undefeated World champion.
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not__shawn__z posted...
I liked Kurt beating Joe, but the internet, and the TNA board hated it Kurt Angle.....as great as he was the true start of completely ruining the TNA roster, he beat every single popular guy, at times 2 v 1, the MEM made it NWO-tier bad. The Beating Joe was in everyway worse than Asuka losing to Flair. |
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ShiningBlade1 posted...My problem with the Asuka loss was that Charlotte hadn't worked on Asuka's leg at all. Had she worked on it some, apply the figure 8, Asuka gets out and Charlotte later on puts it on again and Asuka taps, then I wouldn't have been so salty over it
Working the leg is the best way to make your match shit.
You work a leg and your opponent has to either A) sell it and do nothing for the rest of the match or B) no sell it and piss everyone off by making their opponent look weak
The thing about submissions is you don't need to work the body part. The story Charlotte tells with the Figure 8 is the struggle in getting it on, and then the struggle to bitch up into it. Both Sasha and Asuka fought while they were just in a Figure 4 but then tap as soon as Charlotte bridges up. It protects her finish.I dont want too much attention to the fact I let a steamer go in my underwear. - monday nitroShadowRaiden00 posted...not__shawn__z posted...
I liked Kurt beating Joe, but the internet, and the TNA board hated it
Kurt Angle.....as great as he was the true start of completely ruining the TNA roster, he beat every single popular guy, at times 2 v 1, the MEM made it NWO-tier bad. The
Beating Joe was in everyway worse than Asuka losing to Flair.
O TNA is a whole other animal. This wasn't long after Sting was forced to win against certain guys. Only in TNA would a guy be forced to win.
The thing about that is, drunk minds usually speak the truth - 1NfamousACE_2 on Riley CooperPunkRockGiik posted...I think we can all agree the purpose of ending an undefeated streak should be to push an up and comer rather than to help someone who is already an established main eventer.
These are the four I can think of:
Asuka
Undertaker (at Wrestlemania)
Goldberg
Tatanka
In all of these cases (except Tatanka), the undefeated person was defeated by someone who was already established and had won world titles before.
In Tatanka's case, he was defeated by an up and comer (Ludvig Borga), but then they did absolutely nothing with him.
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Yes Brock ending Undertakers streak was done right.Church of KorvinVol2tex posted...Who ended Glacier's undefeated streak?
WrathOn topic, Andre the Giant.
It's a bit of a cheat, but he was unpinned on WWE television.Established superstars can't break streaks? That doesn't even make sense.Anaheim Ducks round 1 vs. Sharks: ?-? | ?-? | ?-? | ?-? --- Series tied 0-0
These holes three are not for thee.WalterBlue posted...Established superstars can't break streaks? That doesn't even make sense.
He's saying that it doesn't accomplish much when someone established breaks a streak.Everyone always says this, but it’s just fantasy booking. The example you list where an an up and comer win was a flop, as you also point out. Why do you think Wyatt would have been booked well If he beat taker? Better to not gamble on an unproven talent."Do you know the difference between dying for nothing and dying for something? Today, I can die for something. My way, my choice."--Jack BauerEricsborough posted...Everyone always says this, but it’s just fantasy booking. The example you list where an an up and comer win was a flop, as you also point out. Why do you think Wyatt would have been booked well If he beat taker? Better to not gamble on an unproven talent.
When Tatanka was pinned, they barely made any mention of his undefeated streak being over. That was just a poorly booked streak in general, as Tatanka was never made out to be all that amazing, despite his win record.
I don't know that Wyatt would have been booked well if he defeated Taker. That's up to the writers. But I do know that it would have given him a LOT of momentum, which he has not had since his feuds with Bryan and Cena. He is an incredibly gifted talker and he was insanely over at one point, and could have been HUGE. That victory would have created a new star overnight and brought the WWE a lot of money.
Lesnar defeating Taker did neither of those things.PunkRockGiik posted...Ericsborough posted...
Everyone always says this, but it’s just fantasy booking. The example you list where an an up and comer win was a flop, as you also point out. Why do you think Wyatt would have been booked well If he beat taker? Better to not gamble on an unproven talent.
When Tatanka was pinned, they barely made any mention of his undefeated streak being over. That was just a poorly booked streak in general, as Tatanka was never made out to be all that amazing, despite his win record.
I don't know that Wyatt would have been booked well if he defeated Taker. That's up to the writers. But I do know that it would have given him a LOT of momentum, which he has not had since his feuds with Bryan and Cena. He is an incredibly gifted talker and he was insanely over at one point, and could have been HUGE. That victory would have created a new star overnight and brought the WWE a lot of money.
Lesnar defeating Taker did neither of those things.
Actually Lesnar bearing Taker pushed Lesnar to new heights and he is still coasting on that rub from four years ago. He had several more epic matches with Taker and has owned every other opponent he’s had (including being the only person ever to Lin Bill Goldberg clean one on one). As was mentioned prior to the Taker match, Brock had become a joke despite his obvious out of kayfabe credibility and drawing power.
Wyatt would not have had a good feud with Taker either l (as evidenced by his garbage feud a year later)."Do you know the difference between dying for nothing and dying for something? Today, I can die for something. My way, my choice."--Jack BauerEricsborough posted...PunkRockGiik posted...
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When Tatanka was pinned, they barely made any mention of his undefeated streak being over. That was just a poorly booked streak in general, as Tatanka was never made out to be all that amazing, despite his win record.
I don't know that Wyatt would have been booked well if he defeated Taker. That's up to the writers. But I do know that it would have given him a LOT of momentum, which he has not had since his feuds with Bryan and Cena. He is an incredibly gifted talker and he was insanely over at one point, and could have been HUGE. That victory would have created a new star overnight and brought the WWE a lot of money.
Lesnar defeating Taker did neither of those things.
Actually Lesnar bearing Taker pushed Lesnar to new heights and he is still coasting on that rub from four years ago. He had several more epic matches with Taker and has owned every other opponent he’s had (including being the only person ever to Lin Bill Goldberg clean one on one). As was mentioned prior to the Taker match, Brock had become a joke despite his obvious out of kayfabe credibility and drawing power.
Wyatt would not have had a good feud with Taker either l (as evidenced by his garbage feud a year later).
Lesnar becoming a joke does not make ending the streak a better decision -- it makes it a worse one, if anything. And as I have repeated, Lesnar didn't need Taker to seem unstoppable. He already had his MMA background. His match where he squashed Cena still could have happened, and that would have made him seem unstoppable on its own. (Cena was still Super Cena at the time)
And you're right that the feud was garbage with him and Wyatt, but that's because Taker literally didn't show up for a single show before Wrestlemania. Even you must admit it could have been so much greater than it was.aleister black?
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A new person should end a streak so that it's beneficial. Otherwise it's all build up for nothing. And it's kinda deflating and off-putting when an established veteran ends the streak unless it leads to something good like a great feud.
Charlotte over Asuka was terrible because the ending was abrupt and awkward with no real tension behind it. Also Asuka's sold as a submission specialist so she shouldn't be tapping out ever, and definitely not for her first loss. And something needs to come of her loss. Charlotte is at the peak. She literally cannot go higher.
Any other girl would've been better. Nia to be a bigger monster, Becky to make her main event level, Naomi to bring her back to main event level, hell even Natalya for the same reason, Ruby Riott to make her seem strong, etc. Charlotte and arguably Alexa Bliss are the two that don't benefit at all from it.
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A new person should end a streak so that it's beneficial. Otherwise it's all build up for nothing. And it's kinda deflating and off-putting when an established veteran ends the streak unless it leads to something good like a great feud.
Charlotte over Asuka was terrible because the ending was abrupt and awkward with no real tension behind it. Also Asuka's sold as a submission specialist so she shouldn't be tapping out ever, and definitely not for her first loss. And something needs to come of her loss. Charlotte is at the peak. She literally cannot go higher.
Any other girl would've been better. Nia to be a bigger monster, Becky to make her main event level, Naomi to bring her back to main event level, hell even Natalya for the same reason, Ruby Riott to make her seem strong, etc. Charlotte and arguably Alexa Bliss are the two that don't benefit at all from it.
Brock beating Taker was the same. Brock only became a monster after squashing Cena. Taker had very little to do with it.
Once again, as stated before. A streak doesn’t need to be ended by an up and comer. It can be beneficial in BOTH situations.MAGA 2020It's impossible. Whoever and however a undefeated streak is ended, a lot of people will be disappointed and feel there was a better way to do it.
I've argued the point loads of times on here re Undertaker. It didn't really matter who ended his WM streak. People seem to think it gets 'passed on' somehow but the streak was only really a benefit to the Undertaker. It wasn't like winning a title.Pixel Noir. Coming soon to PC/Mac/Linux/PS4/PS Vita/Xbox Onekayoticdreamz posted...
the undertaker streak for example had one s***ty storyline going into the match. it sucked. it didnt build hype. then by a fluke undertaker gets hurt at the beginning of the match a
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Yes, and recently. The most recent time a steak was broken in a respectful manner was WM34 and Asuka tapped out to Charlotte.
Again, this created 0 new stars, and generated 0 money for WWE. The opposite of what ending the streak should do.
Ending a streak is about completing some dumb story line nothing else.Which then got me thinking and realised i sexually assaulted her when we were about that age. - MixedGattzKyleKG posted...Asuka losing was great. Charlotte is a damn good wrestler, even if she's pushed too hard. It's not like Asuka is derailed over this either.
Undertaker losing is literally the biggest shock in wrestling history. Brock has carried the weight and made himself probably the most dominant wrestler of all time.
Exactly, and had Askua won who could you build up to be a credible challenger as she would have beaten every one in the company bar Baszler and RouseyNZXT Stormforce 240:16GB DDR4 RAM:Core i5 6600k: GTX 1060 6 GB: 2TB SSHD:2TB HDD:128 GB SSD:AS ROCK Z170 EXTREME 4; CORSAIR 750W: THERMALTAKE 3.0 LIQUID COOLINGAndre hadn't been pinned or submitted in the then WWF at all. He had a few no contests, draws, etc, and had lost in other organizations since back then they allowed their wrestlers to wrestle elsewhere still, but he would never lose in the WWF. Just in case anyone was wondering how Andre's streak worked. It was essentially the same as Asuka's in that they didn't count non pin or submission stuff. Though like I said, he only had a some draws and no contests, unless you're counting matches outside of the company, which they didn't. Other company stuff is essentially non-canon like it is today.OurLadyPeace posted...It's impossible. Whoever and however a undefeated streak is ended, a lot of people will be disappointed and feel there was a better way to do it.
I've argued the point loads of times on here re Undertaker. It didn't really matter who ended his WM streak. People seem to think it gets 'passed on' somehow but the streak was only really a benefit to the Undertaker. It wasn't like winning a title.
You're right. Taker's streak became an attraction of WM. It didn't work the same way as regular streaks because Taker would lose throughout the year. The problem with anyone beating streaks is that wouldn't really make a difference to the rest of their career because that's all determined by how they're booked going forward. It would be an accomplishment they can sell but that doesn't really change anything. If Brock didn't have Taker's streak on his resume, nothing would be different. That's why people feel it was wasted but if it was given to an up and comer people would still feel its wasted because you can't sell the accomplishment forever and you can't guarantee that the guy who beat it will be around forever or still be as over as someone who beats the streak should be in years to come given their booking.
That's why a streak like Taker's shouldn't have been broken at all. It's made Undertaker at WM less of an attraction and the legacy of the streak ultimately mean less than if Taker had just retired undefeated at WM and had his Hall of Fame induction. That's the best story they could have told. But instead we're now getting crap like an out of shape Taker losing to Roman Reigns that was pointless and now a 3 minute match against Cena which was even more pointless and just downright insulting.Are you not....entertained!?Snake posted...If Brock didn't have Taker's streak on his resume, nothing would be different
It totally does though.
WWE World Champion
IWGP World Champion
UFC Heavyweight Champion
Defeated Undertaker at WrestleMania and ended The Streak.
Sounds just that much more impressive than having thise three titles alone, unique to himself.This is the water, and this is the well.Surprised no one's said when The Shield got their first 6 man tag loss against Team He'll No and Orton. I like that it was on a random smackdown, was so unexpected, and it was one of main factors in Bryan's rise to the top.
Streaks hurt booking. The less of them the better.This is GameFAQs. People here take great pride in ignoring common sense.stav8 posted...KyleKG posted...
Asuka losing was great. Charlotte is a damn good wrestler, even if she's pushed too hard. It's not like Asuka is derailed over this either.
Undertaker losing is literally the biggest shock in wrestling history. Brock has carried the weight and made himself probably the most dominant wrestler of all time.
Exactly, and had Askua won who could you build up to be a credible challenger as she would have beaten every one in the company bar Baszler and Rousey
It's almost like you could've done Asuka vs. Rousey. *thinking emoji*
But nah FemReigns has to win.LightSnake: "Sigh....I might've been wrong about a lot this time."
Terra-enforcer: "You were right. I was wrong. I'm a filthy welcher."Snake posted...not__shawn__z posted...
I liked Kurt beating Joe, but the internet, and the TNA board hated it
That was due to Angle just coming in and his first major feud was with a guy who had been built so strongly that it made sense for him to be the next undefeated World champion.
Instead TNA continued their reputation of pushing WWE guys over their own homegrown talent. It seemed like they wasted his streak just to push Angle with Angle making things worse by his body being so fucked up at that point that he had to call the match early. So Joe lost his first match in TNA in 13 minutes in a sub par match. You can understand why fans would be pissed.
Joe would go on to lose to Angle a lot more times than he would beat him to the point where by the time he finally won the title from him two years later, all his momentum had been lost and it meant so much less than what it would have if his streak had gotten that payoff of Undefeated World champion.
I understand the argument and it makes sense. But it's easy to forget how big of a deal Kurt angle, wwe's literal top star at the time, going to tna was. They were kind of in a tough spot, and they wanted to strike when the iron was hot
I was pretty big on tna then. And you're right, when Joe finally won in their MMA cage match it was probably a little too late. But in hindsight, joe also never really became the star we all thought he would, either, which is a shameAwesome Mike Awesome posted...ShiningBlade1 posted...
My problem with the Asuka loss was that Charlotte hadn't worked on Asuka's leg at all. Had she worked on it some, apply the figure 8, Asuka gets out and Charlotte later on puts it on again and Asuka taps, then I wouldn't have been so salty over it
Working the leg is the best way to make your match shit.
You work a leg and your opponent has to either A) sell it and do nothing for the rest of the match or B) no sell it and piss everyone off by making their opponent look weak
The thing about submissions is you don't need to work the body part. The story Charlotte tells with the Figure 8 is the struggle in getting it on, and then the struggle to bitch up into it. Both Sasha and Asuka fought while they were just in a Figure 4 but then tap as soon as Charlotte bridges up. It protects her finish.
There have been plenty of good to great matches with an opponent having their leg worked over. I'm pretty sure that nobody demanded it be worked over the entire match but even a few significant moments where Asuka had her leg hurt would've made the match flow better into the finish.
Ftr, Charlotte didn't even fully bridge for the figure 8 in kayfabe which made the finish even less logical.https://media.giphy.com/media/foe7nGrvdPLd6/giphy.gif
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So we're REALLY gonna ignore EC3 being undefeated for over 900 days...
yes
he was a huge bitch for most of it, it was only good in the last few months
Lol no.
He cleanly beat Sting, Angle, Jeff Hardy, Lashley, Bully Ray, Drew Mcintyre, and other top tier superstars during his streak. You can close your eyes, cover your ears, and pretend as much as you want that it never happened, but the reality is he had one of, if not the longest undefeated winning streak in the modern era.Black force, black hoodie, with the Levi. Montana throwing bullets like Eli.
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yes
he was a huge bitch for most of it, it was only good in the last few months
Lol no.
He cleanly beat Sting, Angle, Jeff Hardy, Lashley, Bully Ray, Drew Mcintyre, and other top tier superstars during his streak. You can close your eyes, cover your ears, and pretend as much as you want that it never happened, but the reality is he had one of, if not the longest undefeated winning streak in the modern era.
sureIwin2013 posted...Once again, as stated before. A streak doesn’t need to be ended by an up and comer. It can be beneficial in BOTH situations.
I know. I said if it leads to a good or great feud. Those two are the only situations that are win-win.http://www.warwithwords.com
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