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Why do people think Brock Lesnar has had a bad reign?

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LAC_HARLO 4 days ago#1
Did we forget his great feuds with Braun, Samoa Joe and the Fatal Four Way Summerslam match which might be Main Card MOTY? 

Even the build up with Regins was pretty good until fans decided to shit on the match.
Those were nothing matches for the most part.
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EpicKingdom_ 4 days ago#3
People just want a full timer. Sick of suplex city bitch.
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Jigglybuff 4 days ago#4
EpicKingdom_ posted...
People just want a full timer. Sick of suplex city bitch.

Because everyone wants another KO-like title run?

Or how about the Evolution days? Where raw had a 20+ minute opening segment with HHH bragging about being champ, and ended the night with another stupid promo or beatdown from evolution. 

Those were the greatest. We need more of those title runs
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I find Lesnar as a wrestler very boring right now with the suplex city thing he has got going on. The only match of his I found interesting recently was against aj. I just can't see him showing up every other month for the first 10 minutes of the show, have Heyman cut the same boring promo and he bounces around like a moron entertaining or adding prestige to the title
Charged151 4 days ago#6
EpicKingdom_ posted...
People just want a full timer. Sick of suplex city bitch.


truffleshuffles posted...
I find Lesnar as a wrestler very boring right now with the suplex city thing he has got going on. The only match of his I found interesting recently was against aj. I just can't see him showing up every other month for the first 10 minutes of the show, have Heyman cut the same boring promo and he bounces around like a moron entertaining or adding prestige to the title


Nice summing up people...
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I personally think Brock's reign has been horrible because he's never there. He didn't defend the title for the first time until three months after he won it. With the amount of content WWE produces, to me, that's unacceptable. I realize people think that makes the title feel more prestigious and I can respect that, but I disagree with that mindset completely. I'd take a "meh" reign like Owens' reign over an absentee Champion in a heartbeat. The Universal title feels completely meaningless and irrelevant to me. 

That and when Lesnar does show up, it's the same thing every time. "Victimize, conquer" etc. while Brock stands there looking completely uninterested. Then the match happens and Brock's offense is 99% German suplexes and then he disappears again for a few months. It's tiring and boring and has been the norm for over three years now. If you wanna see a monster heel booked correctly, look at Braun Strowman or even Hall of Pain Mark Henry. That run was golden. This is just trash and boring.

And I know I'm in the minority but that doesn't change a thing. I'm tired of it. The title needs to be back on TV.
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Because he doesn’t appear on tv every week.

They don’t are about wrestling or storylines they only care about belts and attire
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ssjmole 4 days ago#9
I like Brock's run its credible and it's rare and special having him there. It feels more like real sports where they don't have the same title there every month.
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Cubezilla3 4 days ago#10
He is never there, when he is there it's boring as hell, Heyman is just annoying as hell.
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Dynedux 4 days ago#11
A legitimate person holds the title, and him being there every so often means it takes a special circumstance to bring him in, making the title important.

The narrative that he's a part timer and his reign sucks because of it is so lame that even the wwe writers are trying to use the online bitch-fest in a storyline to garner Roman Reigns sympathy pop from the crowd - let THAT sink in
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Dynedux posted...
A legitimate person holds the title, and him being there every so often means it takes a special circumstance to bring him in, making the title important.

The narrative that he's a part timer and his reign sucks because of it is so lame that even the wee writers are trying to use the online bitch-fest in a storyline to garner Roman Reigns sympathy pop from the crowd - let THAT sink in

And yet Reigns's promo initial promo about Brock being a part-time b**** was great. 

Brock should just be a special attraction, not a part-time champ. Just like Undertaker
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I like Brock, definitely not Roman just to put that on record.
Dynedux 4 days ago#14
Charged151 posted...
Dynedux posted...
A legitimate person holds the title, and him being there every so often means it takes a special circumstance to bring him in, making the title important.

The narrative that he's a part timer and his reign sucks because of it is so lame that even the wee writers are trying to use the online bitch-fest in a storyline to garner Roman Reigns sympathy pop from the crowd - let THAT sink in

And yet Reigns's promo initial promo about Brock being a part-time b**** was great


Yeah all those fan certainly cheered
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BudDupree48 4 days ago#15
wait the summerslam match where he laid outside the whole time was a good match for him?

try not. he got carried
SSJ3Goku222 4 days ago#16
Only a 12 year old would like this current Brock title run. 

The way Brock is booked makes him and the title look bad cause people are going to watch and be like this guy just shows up every once in a while and beats everybody then disappears again for months why should we care about him cause he is never there or the people chasing him when they stand no chance?
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Charged151 4 days ago#17
Dynedux posted...
Charged151 posted...
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And yet Reigns's promo initial promo about Brock being a part-time b**** was great

Yeah all those fan certainly cheered

The crowd popped when Reigns called him "an entitled piece of crap who hides behind his contract". Reigns also controlled the crowd to boo Brock at several points. 


Other sites such as bleacherreport also had multiple articles praising that particular promo.
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Dynedux 4 days ago#18
That certainly carried over pretty well
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Charged151 4 days ago#19
Dynedux posted...
That certainly carried over pretty well

If you are referring to the WM34 match, then I get what you are saying. The booking was not good there...
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Dynedux 4 days ago#20
Charged151 posted...
Dynedux posted...
That certainly carried over pretty well

If you are referring to the WM34 match, then I get what you are saying. The booking was not good there...

No, not the match. I often point out that a lot of the criticism Brock and Roman get aren't fair - but that match was garbage.

I'm talking about the weeks after that promo. No one cared about Romans complaints (possibly because it was just smark parroting the wwe writers were doing.)

Jericho said it best; Brock is a big ass dude, legit fighter, and fucking murders people. No one wants to boo that.
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I don't have an issue with the amount of times he show up since it makes the Championship feel monumental, rare and prestigious.

What I do have an issue with is his in ring work. The whole suplex city gimmick is redundant and lazy. He was more entertaining in the ring during his 2002-2004 run which is what made me a fan of him in the first place. Now I can care less about him.
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CourtofOwls 4 days ago#23
this 1980's "only defend the title every 3 months" (or less) bullshit doesn't fly you have a weekly show and monthly PPV
he also stiffed braun,refused to work with jinder and now has apparently thrown a fit backstage at wrestlemania so has been unprofessional
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Dynedux 4 days ago#25
CourtofOwls posted...
this 1980's "only defend the title every 3 months" (or less) bullshit doesn't fly you have a weekly show and monthly PPV
he also stiffed braun,refused to work with jinder and now has apparently thrown a fit backstage at wrestlemania so has been unprofessional


Braun stiffed him first 😂😂😂

Who said he refused to work with Jinder?

Who said he threw a fit backstage?
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Dynedux posted...
CourtofOwls posted...
this 1980's "only defend the title every 3 months" (or less) bullshit doesn't fly you have a weekly show and monthly PPV
he also stiffed braun,refused to work with jinder and now has apparently thrown a fit backstage at wrestlemania so has been unprofessional


Braun stiffed him first 😂😂😂

Who said he refused to work with Jinder?

Who said he threw a fit backstage?


True

Nobody

Brock did "blow up" backstage but it was a work to get people thinking he is leaving WWE for UFC,hence why he threw the belt at Vince.
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I think he clearly didn’t want to work with Jinder which is why they switched gears so abruptly.

But we got an AJ reign that’s still going and a great match with Brock so how is that a negative
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Brock is still working at WWE? Does he show up or is it some sort of backstage role?
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Dynedux 4 days ago#29
snoochtonooch posted...
I think he clearly didn’t want to work with Jinder which is why they switched gears so abruptly.


Ok, but what proof is out there that validates this theory even the slightest?
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Mr_Church1313 posted...
Brock is still working at WWE? Does he show up or is it some sort of backstage role?

He's the Raw champion.
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TonyRodney 4 days ago#31
CourtofOwls posted...
this 1980's "only defend the title every 3 months" (or less) bullshit doesn't fly you have a weekly show and monthly PPV
he also stiffed braun,refused to work with jinder and now has apparently thrown a fit backstage at wrestlemania so has been unprofessional

Happened sometimes in the 90s as well on wcw.
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The reign started off well and proper. Out for the first PPV but a No 1 Contender match happened, SOLID program with Joe and you could tell all three guys were enjoying it. Then a Fatal Four Way that lived up to car crash expectations. It was after that point where it all went to hell. A poor match with Braun, disappearing for a while, a great match with AJ that would've been better had it been actually built up to for more than one week, and then feuding with Braun and Kane because...reasons before circling around to Roman and it fell off the rails, while also being gone for months inbetween.
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Vacka 4 days ago#33
What like aj styles and jinder? Or like Bobby and Orton? Only somewhat likeable champ that's there's every week was Miz.

I can go on forever

Charlotte and her fucking tag team matches

The whole smackdown tag team division until bb won it like new day vs usos

The whole bar Shield crap

Ugh brock lesnar is better than anyone on raw aside from Samoa joe. You know why people like nxt?! Because almas/McIntyre/nakamura weren't there every damn week.

As for who will beat Brock? Aliester black or lars sullivan
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Vacka 4 days ago#34
Dynedux posted...
snoochtonooch posted...
I think he clearly didn’t want to work with Jinder which is why they switched gears so abruptly.


Ok, but what proof is out there that validates this theory even the slightest?

Meltzer
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Jigglybuff posted...
EpicKingdom_ posted...
People just want a full timer. Sick of suplex city bitch.

Because everyone wants another KO-like title run?

Or how about the Evolution days? Where raw had a 20+ minute opening segment with HHH bragging about being champ, and ended the night with another stupid promo or beatdown from evolution. 

Those were the greatest. We need more of those title runs


You completely polarized his comment. I don't he's saying he wants Brock rambling for 20 minutes at the start of every show. Wanting the Champion to show up more than 8 times a year is pretty reasonable.

His feuds with Braun and Joe were great. But the Joe match was underwhelming, and the Braun match was bad. 

And Brock was the least entertaining part of the fourway. He seemed absent from the match and the build from what I remember.
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That Joe match at GBOF was so underrated.


How so? I thought the match started out really hot. But the end was both sudden, and anti-climactic. It felt like they were just getting started.
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Poet Laureate posted...

You completely polarized his comment. I don't he's saying he wants Brock rambling for 20 minutes at the start of every show. Wanting the Champion to show up more than 8 times a year is pretty reasonable.


It's why you can't have a rational discussion on the PWB about this. 

You can have a Jinder reign or a Brock reign, no in-between.
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EpicKingdom_ posted...
People just want a full timer. Sick of suplex city bitch.

Because everyone wants another KO-like title run?

Or how about the Evolution days? Where raw had a 20+ minute opening segment with HHH bragging about being champ, and ended the night with another stupid promo or beatdown from evolution. 

Those were the greatest. We need more of those title runs


You know there is such thing as a middle ground between those, right?
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Dynedux 4 days ago#41
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Dynedux posted...
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Ok, but what proof is out there that validates this theory even the slightest?

Meltzer

Who is a fucking fraud pushing idiot. That isn't proof, that's clickbait.
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Ivany2008 4 days ago#44
It was fine for the first few months. A guy that doesn't show up all the time has a better presence than someone who is shoved in our face. Paul Heyman, is a great advocate. The problem lies in that this lasted too long, and just because the WWE wants to remove Punk from the leading WWE.

Had this lasted 6 months it would have been fine. But the guy has held the title for over a year with sporatic non noticeable breaks.

Whats worse is that they keep fucking shoving Roman down our throats when there are more credible guys to beating Brock. You have Joe and Braun, both capable of taking down Brock and giving some legitimacy to the title. Now, Joe was injured, so why couldn't they have brought in Braun as the champion? Instead they make him win the tag titles, only to give it up the next day. What's even funnier is that he picks a kid, when just a couple seats down from that kid was(in the words of Ollie Davis) The Meanest Man in professional wrestling, Minoru Suzuki, to form THE SCARIEST TAG TEAM IN PROFESSIONAL WRESTLING. Even for one night, everyone at the Rumble would know who Minoru was, and they could use the same excuse to get rid of the titles, scheduling conflict and Minoru not wanting to work with the WWE.

Jericho works with New Japan for a 1 off with Minoru Suzuki? fair play if you ask me. Now, I kid about that obviously, but it would have played with the crowd a bit.
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dom316 4 days ago#45
Remember when we all loved Paul Heyman promos? That's how bad Lesnar's run has been. It has ruined Paul Hey man promos.
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cazashaw 4 days ago#46
ssjmole posted...
I like Brock's run its credible and it's rare and special having him there. It feels more like real sports where they don't have the same title there every month.
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Suspiria 4 days ago#47
Because it is terrible.

No, him being a part timer doesn't change the fact that when he does show up, it's the same boring shit. Brock doing the same 2-3 moves over and over and generic "BROCK SMASH SUPLEX CITY BITCH!' shtick and Heyman cutting the same promo over and over. It's old.

Plus, who the fuck is left for Lesnar to even have a credible feud with?

As much as I didn't want Reigns winning the title again, it was time for Lesnar to drop that belt and go the fuck away.

People can blabber 'b-b-b-b-ut it adds teh pristeege!' all they want, but championship feuds also have to be entertaining and engaging. There's nothing entertaining about Lesnar and he hasn't been in a long time. His act is stale. His character is stale. It's past time to move away from him.
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man his matches with Joe and AJ were fucking dope
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BudDupree48 3 days ago#49
Suspiria posted...
Because it is terrible.

No, him being a part timer doesn't change the fact that when he does show up, it's the same boring shit. Brock doing the same 2-3 moves over and over and generic "BROCK SMASH SUPLEX CITY BITCH!' shtick and Heyman cutting the same promo over and over. It's old.

Plus, who the fuck is left for Lesnar to even have a credible feud with?

As much as I didn't want Reigns winning the title again, it was time for Lesnar to drop that belt and go the fuck away.

People can blabber 'b-b-b-b-ut it adds teh pristeege!' all they want, but championship feuds also have to be entertaining and engaging. There's nothing entertaining about Lesnar and he hasn't been in a long time. His act is stale. His character is stale. It's past time to move away from him.
Here's why I don't like Brock's title reign:

1. He hasn't had a truly good match since CM Punk in 2013, or even a decent one since Seth Rollins. His suplex city crap is cancer and it needed to end at least 2 years ago.

2. His part-time schedule destroys suspension of disbelief. So much for that 30 day rule, huh?

3. The Universal Championship is a joke because it's rarely defended. The argument that Brock taking months off between matches somehow makes the belt more "prestigious" is a bad joke. It has the opposite effect, making the belt irrelevant.

4. I don't like seeing full-time wrestlers I actually do care about and who actually do try to have good matches have to put Brock's lazy ass over.

5. I don't like Brock. I have never liked Brock. I was happy when he left WWE in 2004, and unhappy when he came back in 2012. I don't like watching him. I don't like listening to Heyman talk about him. I just want him to leave WWE and never come back.
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    IAmNotThePope posted...
    3. The Universal Championship is a joke because it's rarely defended. The argument that Brock taking months off between matches somehow makes the belt more "prestigious" is a bad joke. It has the opposite effect, making the belt irrelevant.

    4. I don't like seeing full-time wrestlers I actually do care about and who actually do try to have good matches have to put Brock's lazy ass over.

    5. I don't like Brock. I have never liked Brock. I was happy when he left WWE in 2004, and unhappy when he came back in 2012. I don't like watching him. I don't like listening to Heyman talk about him. I just want him to leave WWE and never come back.


    This doesn't add up though. If the belt's irrelevant and you don't have to watch him, and in fact don't see him most of the year anyway, what's the problem?
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    IAmNotThePope posted...
    3. The Universal Championship is a joke because it's rarely defended. The argument that Brock taking months off between matches somehow makes the belt more "prestigious" is a bad joke. It has the opposite effect, making the belt irrelevant.

    4. I don't like seeing full-time wrestlers I actually do care about and who actually do try to have good matches have to put Brock's lazy ass over.

    5. I don't like Brock. I have never liked Brock. I was happy when he left WWE in 2004, and unhappy when he came back in 2012. I don't like watching him. I don't like listening to Heyman talk about him. I just want him to leave WWE and never come back.


    This doesn't add up though. If the belt's irrelevant and you don't have to watch him, and in fact don't see him most of the year anyway, what's the problem?


    It's a freaking World title. The last thing it should feel like is an irrelevant joke, and I agree with Pope about the title and the rare defenses. Completely agree.
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    IAmNotThePope posted...
    His part-time schedule destroys suspension of disbelief. So much for that 30 day rule, huh?

    how many times does this need to be explained

    why would you strip your champion when you havent booked him in a title defence
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    This doesn't add up though. If the belt's irrelevant and you don't have to watch him, and in fact don't see him most of the year anyway, what's the problem?


    It's a freaking World title. The last thing it should feel like is an irrelevant joke, and I agree with Pope about the title and the rare defenses. Completely agree.


    If it's irrelevant then the U.S. title or IC title can become more important to you, which actually happened for a while for most people.

    If it's a real problem, skip over the segments with Lesnar, Roman, the title, and watch the other stuff. I hate Randy Orton's matches, so I skip through them. I don't care about the cruiserweight division, they can do more with it, so I don't watch it, it doesn't even exist in my viewing experience.
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    Brock's feuds with Joe and Braun were great. His matches with Joe and AJ and the fatal fourway were good. His matches with Braun, Braun and Kane, and Roman Reigns sucked and he deflated all of their momentum. 

    Brock's boring when he does suplex city. And when you like someone and Brock just kinda squashes them, it's not fun. He's basically all build up and no ending...for over a year. I dislike year long reigns that aren't exciting and make me beg for someone to beat you. And they're always a Heyman guy too. 

    Then again, a year long reign might just be too long. Even Prince Puma's reign in LU seemed long, though good enough that I didn't mind...yet. I could see myself disliking it eventually.
    SGame 3 days ago#56
    Since I don’t watch pay per views I have yet to see Brock lesner in a match since he has been back. All I’ve seen from him is him standing in the ring listening to heyman talk about him for 20 minute promos and the occasional beat down
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    Bootflap 2 days ago#57
    Imagine if Brock just busted out the Shooting Star Press again at a PPV? I wonder if he could still do it. The only reason he botched it at WM19 was the distance was too far, he did it like a thing of beauty beforehand. It'd be such a WTF moment for fans seasoned to modern Brock.
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    Imagine if Brock just busted out the Shooting Star Press again at a PPV? I wonder if he could still do it. The only reason he botched it at WM19 was the distance was too far, he did it like a thing of beauty beforehand. It'd be such a WTF moment for fans seasoned to modern Brock.

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    Imagine if Brock just busted out the Shooting Star Press again at a PPV?

    eh

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    Imagine if Brock just busted out the Shooting Star Press again at a PPV? I wonder if he could still do it. The only reason he botched it at WM19 was the distance was too far, he did it like a thing of beauty beforehand. It'd be such a WTF moment for fans seasoned to modern Brock.


    That would be great for a final big battle, but he didn't want to do it first time and was talked into doing it by Angle (hence why he really fucked it up) and that has lead to this 'I do what I fucking choose to do' mentality that means if he say no to your idea, move on, don't bug him like Ambrose probably did.

    Plus he's not doing this job for the art or moments, it's just a job. Not gonna risk making himself a vegetable when he could walk out any time and still be rich and happy. He's probably only here at all because he made crazy demands when Vince asked him back, so crazy he didn't think he'd be crazy enough to accept them.

    This is if he's still even agile enough to do it.
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    Byron808 2 days ago#61
    younger Brock was a superior athlete. i'd say the odds are less he could perform the Shooting Star press.

    it's like saying Big Poppa Pump could still perform young Scotty Steiner's backflip body slam. you don't see the daddy doing that move anymore for a reason.
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    The shtick is old now. Brock goes away for months, builds to a PPV for a few weeks, usually wrestles the same match. Wrestlemania was abysmal. Just "suplex city", and spamming F5's.
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    The shtick is old now. Brock goes away for months, builds to a PPV for a few weeks, usually wrestles the same match. Wrestlemania was abysmal. Just "suplex city", and spamming F5's.


    Indeed. For a board that moans about predictability, Brock is the most predictable dude on the roster. Same thing every single time with very few exceptions.
    If you feed them, they'll continue. It's that simple.
    Why do you continue to watch something that you don't like weekly? I don't get it.
    youngskillz 2 days ago#64
    Like I always said his first run was far better even though it was far shorter.

    Quality over quantity.

    An that suplex city stuff is garbage.

    Lesnar doesn't care long as vince keeps paying.

    At this point only thing I'd like to see is lashley beat him an then he leaves forever.
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