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Martha lost her husband due to the company forcing him into a stupid stunt he didn't want to do. Just let that sink in. I can fully imagine she doesn't want that same company to make money out of him after causing his death.
Now Henry addresses her and makes her look like some kind of bad guy for not allowing him into the HoF which is her good right. I appreciate Henry's effort but this shouldn't be done during this speech which was broadcasted worldwide. He could just as easy do this in private instead of painting a picture like he did here.
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Look, I get where you're coming from and where Martha's coming from. Now see where the fans are coming from. They want Owen's legacy to be celebrated, not to be kept under a carpet like some mistake.
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Fans are welcome to celebrate Owen's legacy.
They don't need effectively Vince McMahon's popularity contest for past wrestlers, an event that's ultimately used to market WWE, to do that.
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TrulyEpicLawls posted...
Fans are welcome to celebrate Owen's legacy. They want Owen to be celebrated properly. You know what I'm talking about. Hall of Fame induction, specials on him, the works. He deserves it, regardless of what Martha thinks.
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EverDownward posted...
TrulyEpicLawls posted...Fans are welcome to celebrate Owen's legacy. That would be celebrating properly. Would warm the heart all these alleged fans bandying together to start a project, documentary, night, whatever to honour him. Do it. Go! Fly! Start crowdfunding! DO IT!
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TrulyEpicLawls posted...
EverDownward posted...TrulyEpicLawls posted...show hidden quote(s) Why are you getting mad about this? Why is it so wrong to want to see Owen get the place he deserves in the business he loved?
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EverDownward posted...
TrulyEpicLawls posted...EverDownward posted...show hidden quote(s) By thinking I'm getting mad (how and why?), you're just telling me you're getting mad. So then I have to ask why you're getting that mad about it. I never said anything about something being wrong either. You gotta start reading stuff you're replying to...
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EverDownward posted...
TrulyEpicLawls posted...Fans are welcome to celebrate Owen's legacy. The Hall of Fame means nothing. A)There isn't even an actual Hall of Fame, building or anything. B)It's not a celebration of the best in wrestling history, it's a a celebration of the people vince likes that were in wrestling history.
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TrulyEpicLawls posted...
So then I have to ask why you're getting that mad about it. Because Owen deserves to be officially recognized. It's dumb that Martha has held this grudge for like two decades and won't let her husband take his rightful place in history. And I can't for the life of me understand why fans get mad at other fans for dare wanting to see Owen take his rightful place in history. TrulyEpicLawls posted... You gotta start reading stuff you're replying to... If you were trying to convince me you didn't like what I was saying, it fell apart here. This was unnecessary. Vlugge_Japie posted... The Hall of Fame means nothing. To you, it means nothing to you. I wonder how many other people feel the same way.
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TrulyEpicLawls posted...
I don't read multi-quoters. Oh, for the love of God
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EverDownward posted...
TrulyEpicLawls posted...So then I have to ask why you're getting that mad about it. I'm not trying to convince you of anything. I have to repeat: you need to start reading things you're replying to. You're working yourself up into a frenzy about things that haven't been said... just chill out, man... creeping me out over here...
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Vlugge_Japie posted...
EverDownward posted...TrulyEpicLawls posted...show hidden quote(s) Whether it's a physical hall or the people inducted are "the best" isn't important. What's important and why it means so much to the people being inducted is that it's the biggest platform for wrestling careers to be celebrated and recognized and it would mean so much for a lot of people in and out of the business for Owen Hart to get that kind of career celebration. I used to be one of those people who looked at WWE's Hall of Fame as a joke with no real prestige but after watching through each year recently I realized I was looking at it from the wrong perspective because the "prestige" of it isn't as important as the inductees getting that chance to have their career celebrated. No matter if they were only a midcarder like Koko B Ware or the biggest stars in history, they get a substantial platform to talk about their careers and give thanks back. Something that for a lot of them would be a lot more special than a smaller, less grandiose Hall of Fame induction.
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TrulyEpicLawls posted...
I have to repeat: you need to start reading things you're replying to. You're working yourself up into a frenzy about things that haven't been said... just chill out, man Fair point to you, that's fine. But the following...? TrulyEpicLawls posted... creeping me out over here Why? Why was this necessary?
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EverDownward posted...
TrulyEpicLawls posted... Because it was how I felt and people write how they feel.
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TrulyEpicLawls posted...
Because it was how I felt and people write how they feel. 
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Owen belongs in the HoF next to his brother Bret, plain & simple. Its been 20 years. His accomplishments should be celebrated. There should be action figures of him, documentaries out his life & career, the works. Just like Bret Hart got. Owen was without a doubt one of the best. Its no wonder even members of the Hart family don't like Martha, she essentially is going to be the reason his memory in wrestling fades in years to come. Owen Hart deserves better, he deserves to be HoF member.
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The hall of fame absolutely means nothing. It's literally whoever Vince wants. Sure they get to talk about their career and that's nice but it still doesn't mean anything. It might as well be a talk show.
The godfather shouldn't be near a WWF/WWE hall of fame let alone a wrestling one. Nobody votes on this. There is no prestige. Based off what Vince and Russo did to Owen I don't even know why Bret came back. WWE and some fans use the fans as an excuse. The fans don't need WWE as a link to find these guys and hear from them. As much as WWE likes to make you think.
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This is a whatever issue. Both sides have valid points. A cynical person could find reasons to condemn them both. And someone idealistic could give a dreamy eyes statement about both. What hall of fame “means”. The right that the “fans” have to the legacy over the “right of the family” etc
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lilJoe457 posted...
The hall of fame absolutely means nothing. It's literally whoever Vince wants. Sure they get to talk about their career and that's nice but it still doesn't mean anything. It might as well be a talk show. That's actually a great idea. Just a Network show where a Legend can talk for quite a while about his career or gets interviewed about it. That way they can take their time and don't have to rush their stories like they usually do at the HoF. Besides, it's cheap programming and clips of it can later on be used in documentaries and such.
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Benoit should be in the HOF, he actually won a world title unlike Owen
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Vlugge_Japie posted...
lilJoe457 posted...The hall of fame absolutely means nothing. It's literally whoever Vince wants. Sure they get to talk about their career and that's nice but it still doesn't mean anything. It might as well be a talk show. There is such a show: "Legends With JBL"
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The Sock posted...
Vlugge_Japie posted...lilJoe457 posted...show hidden quote(s) Oh I didn't know that. Is that one still going?
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Vlugge_Japie posted...
The Sock posted...Vlugge_Japie posted...show hidden quote(s) You can find episodes on the Network. |
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The Harts themselves want Owen in HOF.
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If WWE wants to induct Owen without Martha’s permission, there are two ways to go about it.
A) The easiest solution is to just give Owen a Legacy induction, as those inductions do not require a member of the deceased wrestler’s family to attend the ceremony. B) Include Owen as part of a group induction with The Hart Foundation. Bret (second 2 time inductee) and Jim Neidhart can accept the induction on behalf of the deceased members (Owen, Bulldog, and Pillman) thus Martha is not required to accept or attend. But there is no way that Martha will ever accept a solo induction for Owen. She will take her hatred of WWE to the grave.
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Not sure if right, but aren't Snoop Dogg, Kid Rock and Trump all in the HoF? I'm all for recognizing Owen's work, but the HoF is a joke whose prestige is greatly diminished when one time performers (if they even did anything besides show up to the show) are held in the same regard as legends of the industry. Even worse when they made it in before them. If Owen's widow doesn't want them to make another dime off of his name, I am all for it.
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dom316 posted...
Not sure if right, but aren't Snoop Dogg, Kid Rock and Trump all in the HoF? I'm all for recognizing Owen's work, but the HoF is a joke whose prestige is greatly diminished when one time performers (if they even did anything besides show up to the show) are held in the same regard as legends of the industry. Even worse when they made it in before them. If Owen's widow doesn't want them to make another dime off of his name, I am all for it. The WWE HoF has different "wings" just like everyother HoF. There is 1 for wrestlers, 1 for celebrities & 1 for warrior award winners. |
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Martha is 100% in the right. Henry was incredibly wrong and hypocritical for addressing her publically. He owes her an apologym
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LeadPipeCinche posted...
dom316 posted...Not sure if right, but aren't Snoop Dogg, Kid Rock and Trump all in the HoF? I'm all for recognizing Owen's work, but the HoF is a joke whose prestige is greatly diminished when one time performers (if they even did anything besides show up to the show) are held in the same regard as legends of the industry. Even worse when they made it in before them. If Owen's widow doesn't want them to make another dime off of his name, I am all for it. How can it have wings when there's not even a building? As it stands now, it's just a list.
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He was given a choice to do it or not to to do it. He chose to do it and he died. Nobody forced him to doi. Not entirely WWE'S fault. Owens blood relatives should have had control of Owen and his likeness,not his bitter old ball n chain widow.
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TranceQuina posted...
If WWE wants to induct Owen without Martha’s permission, there are two ways to go about it.Inducting the Blue Blazer would work too.
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They should just induct him and have Bret accept on his behalf. She can't sue them, I don't think at least. They own all footage of him etc
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Dynedux posted...
They should just induct him and have Bret accept on his behalf. She can't sue them, I don't think at least. They own all footage of him etc She can’t sue but it would really make the company look bad. And WWE hates bad PR.
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TranceQuina posted...
Dynedux posted...They should just induct him and have Bret accept on his behalf. She can't sue them, I don't think at least. They own all footage of him etc Didn't she actually sue them? And likely that came to an out-of-court settlement, which we're seeing.
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It's not like Martha wouldn't get a cut of whatever WWE got out of the deal.
TrulyEpicLawls posted... TranceQuina posted...Dynedux posted...show hidden quote(s) She sued over the accident, then again over not being paid for Owen being featured in the Hart & Soul DVD in a timely manner. If it was over Owen being featured, she would have sued over the Hart of Gold DVD.
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EverDownward posted...
TrulyEpicLawls posted...EverDownward posted...show hidden quote(s) I do want Owen to go into the HoF. It was still bad form on Henry's part. These two things don't have to be mutually exclusive.
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I agree tc. I don't think that should have been done publicly. I feel like both sides are coming from a sincere place, and I don't blame mark because he had the best intentions. Still, I just don't feel like this needed to be said on tv (network) like that.
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it had to be done publicly. they already tried privately for years, and that didn't work
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BiggWillieStylk posted...
It's not like Martha wouldn't get a cut of whatever WWE got out of the deal. Nope this is it: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1592391-martha-hart-and-wwe-settle-lawsuit-over-the-use-of-owen-harts-name-and-likeness
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The WWE Hall of Fame isn't that big of a deal. His wife might be a b**** but she know WWE will change the narrative to look innocent and make a PR stunt out of it and use it to make network specials from it and all that.
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Ever since he retired from wrestling and became a backstage producer, Mark Henry has recently begun bad habits of arguing out of spite and complaining over nothing. First he insisted that Hulk Hogan apologize once again, long after he's already given one for his actions. Then he acted like a hypocrite when he called Martha Hart out in public, on TV no less.
I mean Mark Henry, show some respect for the people who were in the wrestling industry long before your time. Mark Henry complaining for nothing will only alienate him from Hogan and Martha. For Henry to insist that Hogan apologize again after he's already given one is only going to scare Hogan away from the WWE, and I think the backstage producer role has definitely gone to Mark Henry's head. Those chain of actions prove Mark Henry isn't mature enough to qualify for legend status among the likes of The Undertaker and Triple H. Those two didn't complain for no reason. Triple H isn't letting his COO job get to his head, and he's trying his best to succeed as a Chief Operating Officer. Undertaker puts his company first and doesn't complain over every single small thing. That's like telling Superman to apologize repeatedly over and over again for his heinous crimes until he's forgiven, and that's only going to make Superman look stubborn after his actions in the One Earth Regime. Same thing with Wonder Woman and Damian Wayne, making people apologize over and over again for nothing is only going to make Superman, Wonder Woman and Damian Wayne all even more stubborn and not want to be heroes anymore. And that's like telling Harley Quinn to say sorry and apologize over and over again just for being in an abusive love relationship with Joker is all her fault. That will only drive Harley away from being a reformed hero and being a part of Batman's team no less.
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I heard Martha bumped heads with Ellie (fucking hell, she bumped heads with everyone and probably gives TJ the stink eye from time to time) and Georgia a lot.
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does the WWE have an actually Hall of Fame where people can visit?
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There was talk of building one. They've got a warehouse full of shit so that's the next logical step.
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FilipoSooa posted...
Triple H isn't letting his COO job get to his head, and he's trying his best to succeed as a Chief Operating Officer. Triple H isn't the COO in real life. In kayfabe, it has totally gone to his head because he's playing a heel character who routinely abuses his power just like all heel on-screen authority figures always do.
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According to Bret's book, Martha hates wrestling. She only tolerated it because she loved Owen so much and her love for him was greater than her disinterest in what he did for a job/profession.
If your spouse hates your profession and it's something your family members are heavily involved in, then of course the family is going to have problems with her. I can just imagine how many times they tried to get her into it but it just never clicked with her. Then she hears her husband died while doing a stupid stunt for something she hates. Now that hate is magnified and there's no changing her mind about the business at all. Factor in how sleazy the business was back when they were all young and the backstage BS she probably had to see was enough to make her never want to get involved. Plus, Martha stated in her book that their kids had no interest in following wrestling and Owen didn't try to force the business on them at all. They just wanted to be a normal family and Owen wasn't as passionate about wrestling as Bret was. He treates it more like a job. At least, that's what she says. Sp factor all of this in and you can get why Martha and her side of the family didn't get along well with Owen's side of the family. When even the kids for God sakes, even the freaking kids, have ZERO interest in wrestling or going to see their Dad wrestle, of course the family isn't going to be as tight as it could be. |
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