So, what do you think about Martha Hart? Bitter? Selfish?

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3. So, what do you think about Martha Hart? Bitter? Selfish?

Via_Negativa 2 days ago#1 I'm with Bret on this one. Forget 'bout what Mark Henry said. What! The Farmclub! It's the mother f'ing -chika-chika- Farmclub! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJr8QDBH-3E stickyreportquote

blackmore 2 days ago#2 If she chooses to be selfish or bitter (as defined by someone else), than that is the choice she has the right to make. It's actually a little sad that fans feel that their imagined relationship with Owen is somehow more important that her real relationship and grief. Editor for Critical Blast & Contributor for Conversation with the Big Guy. reportquote

Via_Negativa (Topic Creator)2 days ago#3 blackmore posted... If she chooses to be selfish or bitter (as defined by someone else), than that is the choice she has the right to make. It's actually a little sad that fans feel that their imagined relationship with Owen is somehow more important that her real relationship and grief. What about Bret Hart's imagined relationship? Mark Henry's imagined relationship? It isn't just the fans calling for Owen Hart to be inducted in the WWE Hall of Fame. What! The Farmclub! It's the mother f'ing -chika-chika- Farmclub! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJr8QDBH-3E (edited 2 days ago)reportquote

Letron_James 2 days ago#4 I understand why she doesnt want Owen in the HoF. Ask me if I would eat da booty. reportquote

blackmore 2 days ago#5 Via_Negativa posted... blackmore posted... If she chooses to be selfish or bitter (as defined by someone else), than that is the choice she has the right to make. It's actually a little sad that fans feel that their imagined relationship with Owen is somehow more important that her real relationship and grief. What about Bret Hart's imagined relationship? Mark Henry's imagined relationship? It isn't just the fans calling for Owen Hart to be inducted in the WWE Hall of Fame. For me, his wife and kids take priority. And frankly, Bret and Mark Henry should be respecting that or having those conversations with her in private, not publicizing it. Editor for Critical Blast & Contributor for Conversation with the Big Guy. (edited 2 days ago)reportquote

Via_Negativa (Topic Creator)2 days ago#6 blackmore posted... Via_Negativa posted... blackmore posted...  show hidden quote(s) What about Bret Hart's imagined relationship? Mark Henry's imagined relationship? It isn't just the fans calling for Owen Hart to be inducted in the WWE Hall of Fame. For me, his wife and kids take priority. And frankly, Bret and Mark Henry should be respecting that or having those conversations with her in private, not publicizing it. You know, I would like to know what her kids think about all of this. That could bite her in the ass... provided they haven't been brainwashed with her version of events. What's she going to do if one of her children come around to the idea of WWE celebrating Owen Hart by inducing him into the WWE Hall of Fame? Is she going to shut them down? What! The Farmclub! It's the mother f'ing -chika-chika- Farmclub! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJr8QDBH-3E (edited 2 days ago)reportquote

EverDownward 2 days ago#7 I understand where she's coming from, but I also understand where fans are coming from. At the end of the day, I side with the fans. "And you can't tell me what my spirit tells me isn't true, can you?" reportquote

RonWeassly 2 days ago#8 Like I posted in the other topic, Martha never liked or understood the wrestling business. Given that she was around some sleazy people growing up, you can't blame her for being turned off. She definitely saw some backstage stuff that made her angry like drugs, alcohol and whatnot.  According to her book, her and Owen just wanted to live a simple life and Owen wasn't as passionate about the business as Bret was. Owen was just very good at his job and treated it like any other job. His kids weren't into wrestling either. I doubt Owen ever forced them into it.  I have no doubt in my mind that if the kids were into wrestling, then Owen would have been in the Hall of Fame by now. Really, just let them be. They want nothing to do with the business.  However, I do think that for the fans she should allow it and have at least most of the profit made from Owen Home Videos and whatever else go to her. http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/5-30-2014/7jSMUQ.gif reportquote

Via_Negativa (Topic Creator)2 days ago#9 The thing is though, those kids have probably been fed a one-sided narrative from Martha. They probably hate WWE because she's told them to hate WWE. Martha would probably shut down any say of theirs. What! The Farmclub! It's the mother f'ing -chika-chika- Farmclub! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJr8QDBH-3E (edited 2 days ago)reportquote

Hardcore_Adult 2 days ago#10 EverDownward posted... I understand where she's coming from, but I also understand where fans are coming from. At the end of the day, I side with the fans. I'll get back up for good this time and I ain't comin' down... reportquote

ssjmole 2 days ago#11 Signature, What's that? reportquote

lilhurk1985187 2 days ago#12 She should not have had control of Owen like she has had. Control should always go to blood relatives like Bret first and foremost. She is a bitter old bitch n chain that us holding her dead husband hostage. The amount salt Android 17 causes you children is hilarious. Stay salty trashan fans. (edited 2 days ago)reportquote

blackmore 2 days ago#13 I know the scale is far different, but earlier this year, my father passed away unexpectedly, and this has really changed the way I view this from Martha and the kids' perspective.  The biggest frustration for my mom, my sister, and myself was how many people outside the family needed us to understand how much this death impacted them. On one hand, it was great to see how he had impacted so many people's lives. But more often then not, they seemed to looking to us to help comfort them for their loss...while we are still trying to process our own loss. At the end of the day, we all realized that we needed to be a little more selfish. Editor for Critical Blast & Contributor for Conversation with the Big Guy. reportquote

blackmore 2 days ago#14 lilhurk1985187 posted... She should not have had control of Owen like she has had. Control should always go to blood relatives like Bret first and foremost. She is a bitter old bitch n chain that us holding her dead husband hostage. That is just silly. You don't get your choice of blood relatives. Owen choose to marry Martha and give her that kind of access and control over his affairs. My wife and kids should have a much bigger say in my life than my sister just because we happen to share parents (and this is coming from someone who is very close to his sister). Editor for Critical Blast & Contributor for Conversation with the Big Guy. reportquote

Serious Cat 2 days ago#15 I for one wouldn't feel obligated to work with a company that negligently caused the death of a family member nor do I feel like Martha Hart owes me anything. It's a meaningless question. I are Serious Cat This is serious thread reportquote

Poet Laureate 2 days ago#16 Via_Negativa posted... blackmore posted... If she chooses to be selfish or bitter (as defined by someone else), than that is the choice she has the right to make. It's actually a little sad that fans feel that their imagined relationship with Owen is somehow more important that her real relationship and grief. What about Bret Hart's imagined relationship? Mark Henry's imagined relationship? It isn't just the fans calling for Owen Hart to be inducted in the WWE Hall of Fame. Her relationship morally trumps theirs, imo. And it also trumps theirs legally. She is entitled to make that decision. It sucks that he isn't in. But I'm not mad at her. If anything I feel bad for her, because it's probably a sign that she's still hurting. "The Lord is my rock and my fortress and my deliverer." (Psalm 18:2 - ESV) reportquote

blackmore 2 days ago#17 Poet Laureate posted... It sucks that he isn't in. But I'm not mad at her. If anything I feel bad for her, because it's probably a sign that she's still hurting. Very well said. Your screenname is apt ;) Editor for Critical Blast & Contributor for Conversation with the Big Guy. reportquote

BiggWillieStylk 2 days ago#18 Selfish? No, she wants what's best for her kids. Bitter? To a certain extent, but I feel like it's too strong a word. blackmore posted... Poet Laureate posted... It sucks that he isn't in. But I'm not mad at her. If anything I feel bad for her, because it's probably a sign that she's still hurting. Very well said. Your screenname is apt ;) I agree. The Poster Formerly Known As BooBooNukem! I'm a Jesus Freak!!! Woohoo! http://www.flickr.com/photos/biggwilliestylk/ - http://www.last.fm/user/BiggWillieStylk/ reportquote

BazzaPersonal 2 days ago#19 It’s a tough situation. As a fan, you want to see Owen get the recognition he deserves but at the same time his family are still hurting, and rightfully so. https://imgur.com/a/EcfVo https://imgur.com/a/KcX3Z reportquote

lilhurk1985187 2 days ago#20 Serious Cat posted... I for one wouldn't feel obligated to work with a company that negligently caused the death of a family member nor do I feel like Martha Hart owes me anything. It's a meaningless question. He wasnt forced to do it,he did it because he was asked but also because he wanted to wow the fans even though he was afraid of heights. She is an old bitter hag that needs to move on with her life and stop holding her dead husbands legacy hostage. The amount salt Android 17 causes you children is hilarious. Stay salty trashan fans. reportquote

Collat 2 days ago#21 lilhurk1985187 posted... She should not have had control of Owen like she has had. Control should always go to blood relatives like Bret first and foremost. She is a bitter old bitch n chain that us holding her dead husband hostage. Stay classy. reportquote

Crepes 2 days ago#22 Collat posted... lilhurk1985187 posted... She should not have had control of Owen like she has had. Control should always go to blood relatives like Bret first and foremost. She is a bitter old bitch n chain that us holding her dead husband hostage. Stay classy. I have him tagged as redpill troll. Now you know why. https://i.imgur.com/bbzZKws.jpg reportquote

lilJoe457 2 days ago#23 Bitter? WWE forced him to do that gimmick and they used an unsafe safety harness just so who could descend faster rather than use the one sting used.  They accidentally killed this poor guy for no reason. Just to get back at Bret by making Owen look like an idiot. What about me? What about my sig? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsszagC0GdI Total Package. reportquote

Serious Cat 2 days ago#24 lilhurk1985187 posted... He wasnt forced to do it,he did it because he was asked Nobody said he was forced to do anything. If the company asks, it's their responsibility to make sure it's done safely. In this case specifically, I believe there was supposed to have been an additional release switch in case one failed. It wasn't there and the release failed for whatever reason (including personal fault, but again a redundant release switch would have prevented it.) lilhurk1985187 posted... She is an old bitter hag that needs to move on with her life and stop holding her dead husbands legacy hostage. "Hostage" implies that she's holding out for some personal benefit. That doesn't seem to be the case. She just wants nothing to do with wrestling. I are Serious Cat This is serious thread reportquote

RonWeassly 2 days ago#25 Via_Negativa posted... The thing is though, those kids have probably been fed a one-sided narrative from Martha. They probably hate WWE because she's told them to hate WWE. Martha would probably shut down any say of theirs. @Via_Negativa This could be true too. We don't know if Owen had any say at all and if Martha never let her kids watch it while he was on the road. But considering they were always around family that was in the business, they could have always shown interest while Martha wasn't with them. But apprently, they didn't. If one of them had interest in wrestling at all, they would have went behind Martha's back and asked Bret to see some of his and Owen's matches. http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/5-30-2014/7jSMUQ.gif (edited 2 days ago)reportquote

uwa ej 2 days ago#26 People don't seem to get that the HOF is purely for profit and nothing else. It's an annual show that they can promote, sell tickets and merch, and otherwise monetize. WWE making money from Owen and what they did to him is classless reportquote

Via_Negativa (Topic Creator)2 days ago#27 Via_Negativa posted... The thing is though, those kids have probably been fed a one-sided narrative from Martha. They probably hate WWE because she's told them to hate WWE. Martha would probably shut down any say of theirs. @Via_Negativa This could be true too. We don't know if Owen had any say at all and if Martha never let her kids watch it while he was on the road. But considering they were always around family that was in the business, they could have always shown interest while Martha wasn't with them. But apprently, they didn't. If one of them had interest in wrestling at all, they would have went behind Martha's back and asked Bret to see some of his and Owen's matches. Not if they've been totally brainwashed and fed this narrative of WWE being some morally bankrupt evil entity who made bank off their father's blood. What! The Farmclub! It's the mother f'ing -chika-chika- Farmclub! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJr8QDBH-3E (edited 2 days ago)reportquote

Via_Negativa (Topic Creator)2 days ago#28 What's funny is Bret is right. These Psychologists are the first people to tell others to let go of the past and to not hold grudges. She should examine her own self and turn the mirror on herself. I agree with that. All this stuff rotting away in vaults cause she wants to control everything. What! The Farmclub! It's the mother f'ing -chika-chika- Farmclub! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJr8QDBH-3E reportquote

blackmore 2 days ago#29 What exactly is "rotting in vaults" as you see it? They did an Owen DVD a few years ago, and most of his work would be on the Network anyway. The only thing they haven't done is the Hall of Fame. Editor for Critical Blast & Contributor for Conversation with the Big Guy. reportquote

Via_Negativa (Topic Creator)2 days ago#30 blackmore posted... What exactly is "rotting in vaults" as you see it? They did an Owen DVD a few years ago, and most of his work would be on the Network anyway. The only thing they haven't done is the Hall of Fame. The DVD that Bret Hart called "the shits"? That one? Get to know. What! The Farmclub! It's the mother f'ing -chika-chika- Farmclub! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJr8QDBH-3E (edited 2 days ago)reportquote

Via_Negativa (Topic Creator)2 days ago#31 Martha blocked a lot of Stampede wrestling footage from that DVD apparently, and she handcuffed them with a whole bunch of other things. According to Bret, there's a whole bunch of footage that will never see the light of day because of Martha. Bret is a straight shooter. @blackmore What! The Farmclub! It's the mother f'ing -chika-chika- Farmclub! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJr8QDBH-3E (edited 2 days ago)reportquote

blackmore 2 days ago#32 These DVD sets are always WWE heavy. Butt there was Stampede stuff on them. You are just embarrassing yourself now. Editor for Critical Blast & Contributor for Conversation with the Big Guy. reportquote

Via_Negativa (Topic Creator)2 days ago#33 blackmore posted... These DVD sets are always WWE heavy. Butt there was Stampede stuff on them. You are just embarrassing yourself now. Did you read what I just wrote? Obviously not. What! The Farmclub! It's the mother f'ing -chika-chika- Farmclub! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJr8QDBH-3E (edited 2 days ago)reportquote

blackmore 2 days ago#34 Via_Negativa posted... blackmore posted... These DVD sets are always WWE heavy. Butt there was Stampede stuff on them. You are just embarrassing yourself now. Did you read what I just wrote? Obviously not. Hey, I am just taking your advice and giving no credibility to bitter hags. Editor for Critical Blast & Contributor for Conversation with the Big Guy. reportquote

Via_Negativa (Topic Creator)2 days ago#35 blackmore posted... Via_Negativa posted... blackmore posted...  show hidden quote(s) Did you read what I just wrote? Obviously not. Hey, I am just taking your advice and giving no credibility to bitter hags. You've lost me... What! The Farmclub! It's the mother f'ing -chika-chika- Farmclub! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJr8QDBH-3E reportquote

DoubleDare 2 days ago#36 If your wife worked at home depot and got killed because a lawn mower fell on her the company slopply put on a top shelf without care. Then years later home depot asks to pay tribute to them, you would tell them to get fucked. Also one thing I guarentee, if it was the undertaker, kane or the rock being lowered you bet your ass they wouldv'e made sure they were safe and strapped in. Unlike the crappy blue blazer gimmick in ghee midcard. On Your Mark...Get Set........GO!!!!!! reportquote

Via_Negativa (Topic Creator)2 days ago#37 DoubleDare posted... If your wife worked at home depot and got killed because a lawn mower fell on her the company slopply put on a top shelf without care. Then years later home depot asks to pay tribute to them, you would tell them to get fucked. Also one thing I guarentee, if it was the undertaker, kane or the rock being lowered you bet your ass they wouldv'e made sure they were safe and strapped in. Unlike the crappy blue blazer gimmick in ghee midcard. Not really a smart comparison. What! The Farmclub! It's the mother f'ing -chika-chika- Farmclub! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJr8QDBH-3E reportquote

Via_Negativa (Topic Creator)2 days ago#38 Imagine if Brandon Lee's fiance blocked The Crow from being finished... Fuck that shit... Brandon Lee's legacy is secure now. Tell you that much. What! The Farmclub! It's the mother f'ing -chika-chika- Farmclub! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJr8QDBH-3E reportquote

Serious Cat 2 days ago#39 Via_Negativa posted... Imagine if Brandon Lee's fiance blocked The Crow from being finished... Fuck that shit... Brandon Lee's legacy is secure now. Tell you that much. I'm not sure where the comparison is here. I are Serious Cat This is serious thread reportquote

lilhurk1985187 2 days ago#40 Serious Cat posted... She just wants nothing to do with wrestling. It would have nothing to do with her,just like Owens WWF career had nothing to do with her. She is being selfish. WWE should induct Owen anyway,not like she can sue and even if she can,she would lose anyway and i doubt she can keep an attorney around long enough anyway. The amount salt Android 17 causes you children is hilarious. Stay salty trashan fans. reportquote

Via_Negativa (Topic Creator)2 days ago#41 Serious Cat posted... Via_Negativa posted... Imagine if Brandon Lee's fiance blocked The Crow from being finished... Fuck that shit... Brandon Lee's legacy is secure now. Tell you that much. I'm not sure where the comparison is here. @Serious_Cat That's because you don't know what I'm talking about. What! The Farmclub! It's the mother f'ing -chika-chika- Farmclub! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJr8QDBH-3E reportquote

Serious Cat 2 days ago#42 Via_Negativa posted... Serious Cat posted... Via_Negativa posted...  show hidden quote(s) I'm not sure where the comparison is here. @Serious_Cat That's because you don't know what I'm talking about. I know exactly what you're talking about. There's just no real comparison to be made. I are Serious Cat This is serious thread reportquote

Via_Negativa (Topic Creator)2 days ago#43 Serious Cat posted... Via_Negativa posted... Serious Cat posted...  show hidden quote(s) @Serious_Cat That's because you don't know what I'm talking about. I know exactly what you're talking about. There's just no real comparison to be made. My point went over your head, little man. Brandon Lee died on set. His death was preventable. Brandon Lee's fiance could've blocked the project from the happening. Brandon Lee's fiance could've harbored a grudge against the director and prop crew and buried her husband's work, but she decided not to. Brandon Lee's fiance supported the director. Now, I don't want to hear your big mouth say there's no comparison to be made. There are plenty of comparisons to be made. You can act all defiant and difficult with me. It's whatever. You know there's lines of comparisons to be drawn there. If you want to suggest otherwise, me and you are fucking on two different wavelengths. Now, I never made a direct comparison like the other dude. I never painted the Brandon Lee situation on top of the Owen Hart situation. Seriously, close your mouth and stop trying to disagree for the sake of disagreeing with me. What! The Farmclub! It's the mother f'ing -chika-chika- Farmclub! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJr8QDBH-3E (edited 2 days ago)reportquote

DoubleDare 2 days ago#44 Couldn't they just induct the "King Of Harts" and just never say his name? On Your Mark...Get Set........GO!!!!!! reportquote

Serious Cat 2 days ago#45 lilhurk1985187 posted... WWE should induct Owen anyway,not like she can sue and even if she can,she would lose anyway and i doubt she can keep an attorney around long enough anyway. No they shouldn't , yes she can, no she wouldn't, yes she can. Via_Negativa posted... My point went over your head, little man. Brandon Lee died on set. His death was preventable. Brandon Lee's fiance could've blocked the project from the happening. Brandon Lee's fiance could've harbored a grudge against the director and prop crew and buried her husband's work, but she decided not to. Brandon Lee's fiance supported the director. Fair enough, although I'm still not sure where Martha is suppressing Owen's work from being shown. WWE has perpetual rights to archive footage and he's not being edited out of anything. (And I'm not sure that Brandon Lee's fiancee would have been able to block The Crow if she had wanted to, unless the movie producers gave her the option and would have respected the option in which case it's an even worse comparison. ) I are Serious Cat This is serious thread reportquote

BiggWillieStylk 2 days ago#46 Via_Negativa posted... blackmore posted... These DVD sets are always WWE heavy. Butt there was Stampede stuff on them. You are just embarrassing yourself now. Did you read what I just wrote? Obviously not. He's exactly right about those DVD sets being WWE heavy. The Dudley's DVD, for example, only had a few ECW matches compared to WWE matches. The Poster Formerly Known As BooBooNukem! I'm a Jesus Freak!!! Woohoo! http://www.flickr.com/photos/biggwilliestylk/ - http://www.last.fm/user/BiggWillieStylk/ reportquote

Via_Negativa (Topic Creator)2 days ago#47 Serious Cat posted... lilhurk1985187 posted... WWE should induct Owen anyway,not like she can sue and even if she can,she would lose anyway and i doubt she can keep an attorney around long enough anyway. No they shouldn't , yes she can, no she wouldn't, yes she can. Via_Negativa posted... My point went over your head, little man. Brandon Lee died on set. His death was preventable. Brandon Lee's fiance could've blocked the project from the happening. Brandon Lee's fiance could've harbored a grudge against the director and prop crew and buried her husband's work, but she decided not to. Brandon Lee's fiance supported the director. Fair enough, although I'm still not sure where Martha is suppressing Owen's work from being shown. WWE has perpetual rights to archive footage and he's not being edited out of anything. (And I'm not sure that Brandon Lee's fiancee would have been able to block The Crow if she had wanted to, unless the movie producers gave her the option and would have respected the option in which case it's an even worse comparison. ) Oh? Fair enough? But you're still trying to get a jab in at the end there by telling me it's a worse comparison? You obviously just want to stir up some shit with me and score points. According to Bret Hart, Martha blocked a lot of stuff on that DVD; WCW footage, Stampede footage, photographs, curtailed the interview questions. Bret Hart is a straight shooter, and I'm inclined to believe him. He has no reason to lie about that. Like, how many times do I need to post that? If you don't want to believe what Bret Hart has to say, that's up to you. What! The Farmclub! It's the mother f'ing -chika-chika- Farmclub! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJr8QDBH-3E reportquote

OurLadyPeace 2 days ago#48 The HoF only matters if you like wrestling. I think Martha probably has more reason than most to dislike wrestling. The concept of Owen going into the HoF must seem so trivial to Martha and not worth bringing all those feelings to the surface again. Pixel Noir. Coming soon to PC/Mac/Linux/PS4/PS Vita/Xbox One (edited 2 days ago)reportquote

Via_Negativa (Topic Creator)2 days ago#49 BiggWillieStylk posted... Via_Negativa posted... blackmore posted...  show hidden quote(s) Did you read what I just wrote? Obviously not. He's exactly right about those DVD sets being WWE heavy. The Dudley's DVD, for example, only had a few ECW matches compared to WWE matches. So? What does this have to do with Martha imposing restrictions? Again, I've no reason to believe that Bret Hart is lying through his teeth. What! The Farmclub! It's the mother f'ing -chika-chika- Farmclub! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJr8QDBH-3E reportquote

OurLadyPeace 2 days ago#50 Via_Negativa posted... According to Bret Hart, Martha blocked a lot of stuff on that DVD; WCW footage, Stampede footage, photographs, curtailed the interview questions. Bret Hart is a straight shooter, and I'm inclined to believe him. He has no reason to lie about that. What rights does Martha have over this stufd though? Why/how could she block WCW footage, for instance? Surely all WCW footage belongs to WWE? Or do WWE just want Martha's blessing and won't do certain things without it just out of courtesy? Pixel Noir. Coming soon to PC/Mac/Linux/PS4/PS Vita/Xbox One reportquote

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   Via_Negativa (Topic Creator)2 days ago#51 OurLadyPeace posted... Via_Negativa posted... According to Bret Hart, Martha blocked a lot of stuff on that DVD; WCW footage, Stampede footage, photographs, curtailed the interview questions. Bret Hart is a straight shooter, and I'm inclined to believe him. He has no reason to lie about that. What rights does Martha have over this stufd though? Why/how could she block WCW footage, for instance? Surely all WCW footage belongs to WWE? Or do WWE just want Martha's blessing and won't do certain things without it just out of courtesy? Well, Martha Hart attempted to sue Linda McMahon back in 2010, but it was subsequently dismissed. My guess is that there's some sort of unspoken agreement in place. WWE don't want to rub her the wrong because of how they're involved. I'd say it's courtesy more than anything, and WWE want to avoid bad press in this social media age. What! The Farmclub! It's the mother f'ing -chika-chika- Farmclub! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJr8QDBH-3E (edited 2 days ago)reportquote

   BiggWillieStylk 2 days ago#52 Via_Negativa posted... BiggWillieStylk posted... Via_Negativa posted...  show hidden quote(s) He's exactly right about those DVD sets being WWE heavy. The Dudley's DVD, for example, only had a few ECW matches compared to WWE matches. So? What does this have to do with Martha imposing restrictions? Again, I've no reason to believe that Bret Hart is lying through his teeth. It proves that the choice of WWE matches over Stampede matches had as much to do with it being a WWE DVD as it had to do with Martha's restrictions, maybe more. The Poster Formerly Known As BooBooNukem! I'm a Jesus Freak!!! Woohoo! http://www.flickr.com/photos/biggwilliestylk/ - http://www.last.fm/user/BiggWillieStylk/ reportquote

   blackmore 2 days ago#53 OurLadyPeace posted... The HoF only matters if you like wrestling. I think Martha probably has more reason than most to dislike wrestling. The concept of Owen going into the HoF must seem so trivial to Martha and not worth bringing all those feelings to the surface again. That is exactly what I was trying to get at in my first post in this thread. Even if she is being bitter or selfish, she has every right to be. She is the one who suffered a real loss here.  To be honest, I also think it's disingenuous on how beloved Owen has become to wrestling fans after he died. Before his death, he was a talented performer who was never going to be anything in WWE above a midcarder. Editor for Critical Blast & Contributor for Conversation with the Big Guy. (edited 2 days ago)reportquote

   Via_Negativa (Topic Creator)2 days ago#54 BiggWillieStylk posted... Via_Negativa posted... BiggWillieStylk posted...  show hidden quote(s) So? What does this have to do with Martha imposing restrictions? Again, I've no reason to believe that Bret Hart is lying through his teeth. It proves that the choice of WWE matches over Stampede matches had as much to do with it being a WWE DVD as it had to do with Martha's restrictions, maybe more. I'm inclined to believe Bret Hart. If you don't want to believe Bret Hart, that's your choice. I'm not going to force you to take his word for it. You should know better than to put those two things on equal footing going by Martha's past actions. Bret Hart is a straight shooter, brah. He was pissed. What! The Farmclub! It's the mother f'ing -chika-chika- Farmclub! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJr8QDBH-3E (edited 2 days ago)reportquote

   Dynedux 2 days ago#55 Serious Cat posted... Via_Negativa posted... Serious Cat posted...  show hidden quote(s) @Serious_Cat That's because you don't know what I'm talking about. I know exactly what you're talking about. There's just no real comparison to be made. It's actually a pretty spot on analogy Noctis 906atk, Reberta 869atk,- 813.793.244 reportquote

   TranceQuina 2 days ago#56 A lot people seem to forget that Owen was one of the most reckless performers in the business. He nearly killed Steve Austin in the ring and didn’t even have the courtesy to apologize for it. Owen doesn’t deserve all the recognition fans give him. "I do what I want, you have problem?" FFIX: Quina Quen reportquote

   Hardcore_Adult 2 days ago#57 *read the last 3-4 pages* Revolver, Please. I'll get back up for good this time and I ain't comin' down... reportquote

   BaronNugget 2 days ago#58 If she does not want her husband to be in the HoF then so be it, it's a dick move to basically tell a woman who has been widowed for 19 years to get over herself. MUFC- The Religion  Miami Dolphins: Blissfully succumb to the whirling blackness of eternal oblivion reportquote

   Dynedux 2 days ago#59 TranceQuina posted... A lot people seem to forget that Owen was one of the most reckless performers in the business. He nearly killed Steve Austin in the ring and didn’t even have the courtesy to apologize for it. Owen doesn’t deserve all the recognition fans give him. One mistake =/= most reckless performer ever! Were you even alive during Owens career lmao Noctis 906atk, Reberta 869atk,- 813.793.244 (edited 2 days ago)reportquote

   Serious Cat 2 days ago#60 Via_Negativa posted... Oh? Fair enough? But you're still trying to get a jab in at the end there by telling me it's a worse comparison? No, just pointing out that finishing The Crow was a mutual decision, meaning the producers presumanly would have shelved the movie if Lee's heirs didn't give their approval to use a double. Also wondering if Lee's fans would have felt the same sense of entitlement that WWE fans seem to feel, calling her a "bitter hag" or whatever. I are Serious Cat This is serious thread reportquote

   Via_Negativa (Topic Creator)2 days ago#61 Serious Cat posted... Via_Negativa posted... Oh? Fair enough? But you're still trying to get a jab in at the end there by telling me it's a worse comparison? No, just pointing out that finishing The Crow was a mutual decision, meaning the producers presumanly would have shelved the movie if Lee's heirs didn't give their approval to use a double. Also wondering if Lee's fans would have felt the same sense of entitlement that WWE fans seem to feel, calling her a "bitter hag" or whatever. A mutual decision? How on earth did that happen? Ffs, brah, you are tiring me out now. What! The Farmclub! It's the mother f'ing -chika-chika- Farmclub! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJr8QDBH-3E (edited 2 days ago)reportquote

   Irenicus 2 days ago#62 I get the impression she just wants the WWE to leave them alone. Which, although the fan in me is disappointed, is probably fair enough.  Maybe given enough time she will come round to the idea, but for now it seems clear she is still harbouring anger towards WWE or maybe just doesnt want anything to do with wrestling. Feel the burning stare of my hamster and change your ways reportquote

   Serious Cat 2 days ago#63 Via_Negativa posted... A mutual decision? How on earth did that happen? You tell me then. If Brandon Lee's survivors hadn't gone along with the decision to finish the movie would they have finished with a double against their wishes anyway? I are Serious Cat This is serious thread reportquote

   The Top Crusader 2 days ago#64 Have his kids ever come out and said anything at all? They are all adults now. https://imgur.com/09qFfLV reportquote

   Via_Negativa (Topic Creator)2 days ago#65 Serious Cat posted... Via_Negativa posted... A mutual decision? How on earth did that happen? You tell me then. If Brandon Lee's survivors hadn't gone along with the decision to finish the movie would they have finished with a double against their wishes anyway? That's an impossible question, but lets just say that at the very least... Brandon Lee's fiance could've ATTEMPTED to block that shit from the off. With regards to Martha attempting to sue Linda McMahon back in 2010, people suggested that it was a "political stunt," so from that viewpoint, she has no problem using Owen Hart's memory to score political points/sully the McMahon name. What! The Farmclub! It's the mother f'ing -chika-chika- Farmclub! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJr8QDBH-3E reportquote

   Via_Negativa (Topic Creator)2 days ago#66 The Top Crusader posted... Have his kids ever come out and said anything at all? They are all adults now. I wanted Pollock to ask Bret that question. They're the only people that could convince Martha to change her mind, but they've probably been brainwashed to hate WWE. What! The Farmclub! It's the mother f'ing -chika-chika- Farmclub! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJr8QDBH-3E reportquote

   lilhurk1985187 2 days ago#67 Irenicus posted... I get the impression she just wants the WWE to leave them alone. Which, although the fan in me is disappointed, is probably fair enough.  Maybe given enough time she will come round to the idea, but for now it seems clear she is still harbouring anger towards WWE or maybe just doesnt want anything to do with wrestling. 20 years isnt long enough?? The amount salt Android 17 causes you children is hilarious. Stay salty trashan fans. reportquote

   Via_Negativa (Topic Creator)2 days ago#68 Plus, it's not like Vince McMahon murdered Owen on purpose. It was a tragic accident regardless of what spin Martha tries to put on it. What! The Farmclub! It's the mother f'ing -chika-chika- Farmclub! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJr8QDBH-3E reportquote

   Serious Cat 2 days ago#69 Via_Negativa posted... That's an impossible question, but lets just say that at the very least... Brandon Lee's fiance could've ATTEMPTED to block that shit from the off. No it's not. His fiancee's approval was ultimately the deciding factor in even finishing the movie. They outright wouldn't have done it without her. Otherwise they were willing to just scrap it. I are Serious Cat This is serious thread reportquote

   Via_Negativa (Topic Creator)2 days ago#70 Serious Cat posted... Via_Negativa posted... That's an impossible question, but lets just say that at the very least... Brandon Lee's fiance could've ATTEMPTED to block that shit from the off. No it's not. His fiancee's approval was ultimately the deciding factor in even finishing the movie. They outright wouldn't have done it without her. Otherwise they were willing to just scrap it. You're pissing me off with how obtuse you're being. You gave a hypothetical. You can't answer what would've happened if they didn't give their approval. Stop playing dumb. I don't care what nobody said about what would've happened otherwise. It never happened. You either smarten up, fammo, or me you are done going back and forth. What! The Farmclub! It's the mother f'ing -chika-chika- Farmclub! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJr8QDBH-3E (edited 2 days ago)reportquote

   Serious Cat 2 days ago#71 Via_Negativa posted... You can't answer what would've happened if they didn't give their approval. Straight from the source:  http://ew.com/article/1994/05/13/crow-cast-deals-brandons-lee-death/ I are Serious Cat This is serious thread reportquote

   AndreLeGeant 2 days ago#72 The fact that she hasn't let any of Owen's family interact with his children is wrong. Whether she wants Owen in a fake Hall of Fame is another issue, and it should be her call. The general consensus is that, while Owen was as dedicated to wrestling as Bret, he didn't hate it as much as Martha would later indicate. Based on all accounts, he really liked being in the business and being with other wrestlers, but he didn't take the wrestling seriously. And then he also liked being at home. Which means he was, you know, human. I like my job but also like when I'm not super busy. "Not only is Andre way smarter than you, he's also way smarter than you think you are." - SaikyoStyle (edited 2 days ago)reportquote

   Via_Negativa (Topic Creator)2 days ago#73 Serious Cat posted... Via_Negativa posted... You can't answer what would've happened if they didn't give their approval. Straight from the source:  http://ew.com/article/1994/05/13/crow-cast-deals-brandons-lee-death/ Serious Cat posted... Via_Negativa posted... You can't answer what would've happened if they didn't give their approval. Straight from the source:  http://ew.com/article/1994/05/13/crow-cast-deals-brandons-lee-death/ What don't you understand about my post? What! The Farmclub! It's the mother f'ing -chika-chika- Farmclub! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJr8QDBH-3E reportquote

   BiggWillieStylk 2 days ago#74 The Top Crusader posted... Have his kids ever come out and said anything at all? They are all adults now. We've never heard them speak for themselves, just her allegedly speaking on their behalf. I would like to hear them speak for themselves for a change. The Poster Formerly Known As BooBooNukem! I'm a Jesus Freak!!! Woohoo! http://www.flickr.com/photos/biggwilliestylk/ - http://www.last.fm/user/BiggWillieStylk/ reportquote

   Serious Cat 2 days ago#75 Via_Negativa posted... What don't you understand about my post? What don't you understand about mine? The decision to finish The Crow was a mutual decision. The producers were willing to scrap it if his heirs didn't agree to use a double to complete the movie, key point being their decisions were respected from the outset. Maybe you can shed some light on how a company disrespecting the wishes of the estate of the deceased would make the widow the villain. Would Bruce Lee's family have been similarly vilified if they had tried to stop Game of Death from being released? I are Serious Cat This is serious thread reportquote

   Via_Negativa (Topic Creator)2 days ago#76 Serious Cat posted... Via_Negativa posted... What don't you understand about my post? What don't you understand about mine? The decision to finish The Crow was a mutual decision. The producers were willing to scrap it if his heirs didn't agree to use a double to complete the movie, key point being their decisions were respected from the outset. Maybe you can shed some light on how a company disrespecting the wishes of the estate of the deceased would make the widow the villain. Would Bruce Lee's family have been similarly vilified if they had tried to stop Game of Death from being released? We're done. You aren't playing dumb. Forget what I said. What! The Farmclub! It's the mother f'ing -chika-chika- Farmclub! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJr8QDBH-3E reportquote

   Serious Cat 2 days ago#77 Via_Negativa posted... We're done. You aren't playing dumb. Forget what I said. You're the one being obtuse at this point. You know the difference in the two situations. One is based in a genuinely respected mutual decision to complete a project. The other is vilifying a widow who wants to disassociate her husband from the company whose negligence killed him. Both cases are perfectly justified and both cases would still be perfectly justified if it had gone in the opposite direction. (And WWE still gets to use the archive footage that they outright own regardless, and have been doing so for years.) I are Serious Cat This is serious thread reportquote

   Via_Negativa (Topic Creator)2 days ago#78 Via_Negativa posted... Serious Cat posted... Via_Negativa posted...  show hidden quote(s) What don't you understand about mine? The decision to finish The Crow was a mutual decision. The producers were willing to scrap it if his heirs didn't agree to use a double to complete the movie, key point being their decisions were respected from the outset. Maybe you can shed some light on how a company disrespecting the wishes of the estate of the deceased would make the widow the villain. Would Bruce Lee's family have been similarly vilified if they had tried to stop Game of Death from being released? We're done. You aren't playing dumb. Forget what I said. What! The Farmclub! It's the mother f'ing -chika-chika- Farmclub! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJr8QDBH-3E reportquote

   Serious Cat 2 days ago#79 Via_Negativa posted... Via_Negativa posted... Serious Cat posted...  show hidden quote(s) We're done. You aren't playing dumb. Forget what I said. I see we're in agreement then. I are Serious Cat This is serious thread reportquote

   Via_Negativa (Topic Creator)2 days ago#80 Like I said, we're done discussing this. You are misrepresenting my viewpoint. I didn't directly compare the two situations. I said, "Here's a situation where - Imagine if this happened." You are boring me. We're not going to discuss this issue because you have a comprehension problem. We're not in agreement. That's a corny thing to say and it's the mark of a mark. What! The Farmclub! It's the mother f'ing -chika-chika- Farmclub! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJr8QDBH-3E (edited 2 days ago)reportquote

   Irenicus 2 days ago#81 lilhurk1985187 posted... Irenicus posted... I get the impression she just wants the WWE to leave them alone. Which, although the fan in me is disappointed, is probably fair enough.  Maybe given enough time she will come round to the idea, but for now it seems clear she is still harbouring anger towards WWE or maybe just doesnt want anything to do with wrestling. 20 years isnt long enough?? Apparently not. Maybe it never be long enough. I think at this point its safe to say her priorities in this situation do not match the fans or WWE's priorities Feel the burning stare of my hamster and change your ways reportquote

   Dynedux 2 days ago#82 Here's what I feel about Martha - it literally doesn't do anything to her to let wwe induct Owen without causing a fuss. She doesn't have to show up, she doesn't have to even hear about. Hell, if she wants to really stand on a soap box she doesn't even have to accept any money and could donate to charity (there's a thought).  Let the fans of Owen have something. Then everyone can stop asking for it and she'll never have to hear about it again. I wouldn't call it bitterness, but stubbornness seems pretty accurate. Noctis 906atk, Reberta 869atk,- 813.793.244 reportquote

   Via_Negativa (Topic Creator)2 days ago#83 Like I said, she has no problem using Owen's memory to score political points. People need to stop painting Martha like she's a saint. What! The Farmclub! It's the mother f'ing -chika-chika- Farmclub! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJr8QDBH-3E reportquote

   BiggWillieStylk 2 days ago#84 Via_Negativa posted... BiggWillieStylk posted... Via_Negativa posted...  show hidden quote(s) It proves that the choice of WWE matches over Stampede matches had as much to do with it being a WWE DVD as it had to do with Martha's restrictions, maybe more. I'm inclined to believe Bret Hart. If you don't want to believe Bret Hart, that's your choice. I'm not going to force you to take his word for it. You should know better than to put those two things on equal footing going by Martha's past actions. Bret Hart is a straight shooter, brah. He was pissed. Yes, she put some restrictions on the project, but saying she's the one who limited the match selection to WWE matches has little to no merit, seeing as how WWE DVD's have historically been WWE heavy for years. On top of that, if she did limit the match selection, the DVD would have just been the documentary and nothing else. The Poster Formerly Known As BooBooNukem! I'm a Jesus Freak!!! Woohoo! http://www.flickr.com/photos/biggwilliestylk/ - http://www.last.fm/user/BiggWillieStylk/ reportquote

   ghettorevival 2 days ago#85 i think she should take the blank check she can easily score from Vince  and put Owen Hart in the damn hall of fame reportquote

   Serious Cat 2 days ago#86 Via_Negativa posted... . I didn't directly compare the two situations. I said, "Here's a situation where - Imagine if this happened." As did I, while also pointing out major differences in the two situations. I also presented the hypothetical of whether Bruce Lee's family would have been vilified if they had tried to stop Game of Death from being released (featuring, among other things, footage from Bruce Lee's actual memorial service and a still image of Bruce Lee's face sloppily overlaid on top of a double.) I presented the hypothetical of whether Brandon Lee's fiancee would be considered a "bitter hag" if she had simply not gone along with the idea of finishing The Crow. I also pointed out that what actually happened was the result of a mutual decision.  I don't know how analyzing a situation to see how and why it worked lacks comprehension and you yourself admit to a hypothetical so there should be no problem there. I are Serious Cat This is serious thread reportquote

   Black Out 2 days ago#87 blackmore posted... If she chooses to be selfish or bitter (as defined by someone else), than that is the choice she has the right to make. It's actually a little sad that fans feel that their imagined relationship with Owen is somehow more important that her real relationship and grief. This. The Official Manchester Black of the C&GN Board "Fly me to the moon, and let me play among the stars. . . " reportquote

   Via_Negativa (Topic Creator)2 days ago#88 Serious Cat posted... Via_Negativa posted... . I didn't directly compare the two situations. I said, "Here's a situation where - Imagine if this happened." As did I, while also pointing out major differences in the two situations. I also presented the hypothetical of whether Bruce Lee's family would have been vilified if they had tried to stop Game of Death from being released (featuring, among other things, footage from Bruce Lee's actual memorial service and a still image of Bruce Lee's face sloppily overlaid on top of a double.) I presented the hypothetical of whether Brandon Lee's fiancee would be considered a "bitter hag" if she had simply not gone along with the idea of finishing The Crow. I also pointed out that what actually happened was the result of a mutual decision.  I don't know how analyzing a situation to see how and why it worked lacks comprehension and you yourself admit to a hypothetical so there should be no problem there. Be quiet. "ooo Fair enough, Via" FOuttahere. It wasn't even a hypothetial according to you and your crystal ball and whoever the fuck said otherwise. Like I said, we're not going to discuss the specifics any further. I clocked what level you were on from the moment you posted in this thread. Your reading comprehension is a problem. You're arguing with thin air. What! The Farmclub! It's the mother f'ing -chika-chika- Farmclub! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJr8QDBH-3E (edited 2 days ago)reportquote

   Irenicus 2 days ago#89 Via_Negativa posted... Like I said, she has no problem using Owen's memory to score political points. People need to stop painting Martha like she's a saint. The lawsuit you mentioned? It seems like the person most associated with that claim was a WWE lawyer at the time. Given the context he probably has a bit of a vested interest. From what I have just read I really cant see how she is scoring political points from that situation, if anything it seemed her motivation was personal.  One thing that seems clear is that at that time at least she really seemed to have an issue with the McMahon's personally. She might well harbour a grudge or resent the family. The way I see it, she has taken steps to associate her husband with things other than wrestling. She probably dislikes the WWE and doesn't really care too much what the fans want. Maybe she doesnt want to see her husbands name in the news and have the circumstances of his death brought up again. As much as I would love Owen in the game and recognised in the hall of fame I can empathise with why she wouldn't want that to happen Feel the burning stare of my hamster and change your ways (edited 2 days ago)reportquote

   Serious Cat 2 days ago#90 Via_Negativa posted... Be quiet. Then feel free to explain why it's ok for you to bring up a hypothetical situation but it's not ok for me to present other hypothetical situations or to analyze the reasons the original situation worked. It's because yours is the only hypothetical that fits the narrative you're trying to push. It falls apart completely when you analyze the specifics or examine other hypotheticals. It's also why you're resorting only to personal attacks. Via_Negativa posted... Like I said, she has no problem using Owen's memory to score political points. People need to stop painting Martha like she's a saint. But "bitter old hag" is A-OK. I are Serious Cat This is serious thread reportquote

   Serious Cat 2 days ago#91 Via_Negativa posted... It wasn't even a hypothetial according to you and your crystal ball and whoever the fuck said otherwise. "Whoever the fuck" in this case is one of the co-producers of The Crow involved in the decision to continue production. I are Serious Cat This is serious thread reportquote

   Via_Negativa (Topic Creator)2 days ago#92 Irenicus posted... Via_Negativa posted... Like I said, she has no problem using Owen's memory to score political points. People need to stop painting Martha like she's a saint. The lawsuit you mentioned? It seems like the person most associated with that claim was a WWE lawyer at the time. Given the context he probably has a bit of a vested interest. From what I have just read I really cant see how she is scoring political points from that situation, if anything it seemed her motivation was personal.  One thing that seems clear is that at that time at least she really seemed to have an issue with the McMahon's personally. She might well harbour a grudge or resent the family. The way I see it, she has taken steps to associate her husband with things other than wrestling. She probably dislikes the WWE and doesn't really care too much what the fans want. Maybe she doesnt want to see her husbands name in the news and have the circumstances of his death brought up again. As much as I would love Owen in the game and recognised in the hall of fame I can empathise with why she wouldn't want that to happen @Irenicus Linda campaigned back in 2010. What! The Farmclub! It's the mother f'ing -chika-chika- Farmclub! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJr8QDBH-3E reportquote

   Via_Negativa (Topic Creator)2 days ago#93 Serious Cat posted... Via_Negativa posted... It wasn't even a hypothetial according to you and your crystal ball and whoever the fuck said otherwise. "Whoever the fuck" in this case is one of the co-producers of The Crow involved in the decision to continue production. I didn't click your link. He's not in possession of a crystal ball either, genius. Smarten up. Stop falling behind. What! The Farmclub! It's the mother f'ing -chika-chika- Farmclub! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJr8QDBH-3E reportquote

   Serious Cat 2 days ago#94 Via_Negativa posted... Serious Cat posted... Via_Negativa posted...  show hidden quote(s) "Whoever the fuck" in this case is one of the co-producers of The Crow involved in the decision to continue production. I didn't click your link. He's not in possession of a crystal ball either, genius. Smarten up. Stop falling behind. He doesn't need a crystal ball, genius. He was a producer involved in making the decision. Smarten up, etc. I are Serious Cat This is serious thread reportquote

   Via_Negativa (Topic Creator)2 days ago#95 Serious Cat posted... Via_Negativa posted... Serious Cat posted...  show hidden quote(s) I didn't click your link. He's not in possession of a crystal ball either, genius. Smarten up. Stop falling behind. He doesn't need a crystal ball, genius. He was a producer involved in making the decision. Smarten up, etc. You can't answer the impossible question of whether or not they would've halted production if Brandon Lee's loved ones protested. You do need a crystal ball which is able to play out alternate timelines to answer that question. You can argue probability. You went from "Err, there's no comparison" to "Fair enough" You went from "It's not an impossible question" to "I presented a hypothetical" Make up your fucking mind you annoying little flip flopper, who is also guilty of misrepresenting my views on the situation. What! The Farmclub! It's the mother f'ing -chika-chika- Farmclub! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJr8QDBH-3E (edited 2 days ago)reportquote

   Gamer4ever77 2 days ago#96 ITT: We think we know everything about Martha Hart. reportquote

   Ivany2008 2 days ago#97 Speaking as someone who has viewed Dana Warriors actions over the past couple years, and Vicky Guerreros actions the years after his passing, I tend to notice that the wives don't ever really agree with what the husbands really wanted. Eddie didn't want Vicky to be in the business, and Warrior wanted to support the guys who had supported him during his time. Look how both of those turned out. I'm not surprised Martha is pissed off, I would be too if my husband was killed by a stupid stunt he should have never been part of in the first place. reportquote

   Irenicus 2 days ago#98 Via_Negativa posted... Irenicus posted... Via_Negativa posted...  show hidden quote(s) The lawsuit you mentioned? It seems like the person most associated with that claim was a WWE lawyer at the time. Given the context he probably has a bit of a vested interest. From what I have just read I really cant see how she is scoring political points from that situation, if anything it seemed her motivation was personal.  One thing that seems clear is that at that time at least she really seemed to have an issue with the McMahon's personally. She might well harbour a grudge or resent the family. The way I see it, she has taken steps to associate her husband with things other than wrestling. She probably dislikes the WWE and doesn't really care too much what the fans want. Maybe she doesnt want to see her husbands name in the news and have the circumstances of his death brought up again. As much as I would love Owen in the game and recognised in the hall of fame I can empathise with why she wouldn't want that to happen @Irenicus Linda campaigned back in 2010. I get that Linda was campaigning at the time, but I wouldn't say Martha was politically motivated. Its probably a bit of a semantic argument but its more directed at the WWE lawyer. Calling it a political stunt implies Martha was politically motivated above all else, whereas my read on it was that her motivation was totally personal. She wanted to prevent WWE profiting from Owen without paying the family royalties, and she wanted to do some damage to the family. The political campaign was just the best way to achieve that.  I just can't see her caring too much about the political side of things, was she even living in the USA at the time? She is Canadian isn't she? Feel the burning stare of my hamster and change your ways reportquote

   Serious Cat 2 days ago#99 Via_Negativa posted... You can't answer the impossible question of whether or not they would've halted production if Brandon Lee's loved ones protested. You do need a crystal ball which is able to play out alternate timelines to answer that question. You can argue probability. I have a producer directly involved in the decision saying they would not have continued without support from the family first and were actually leaning towards dropping it regardless. Paramount scrapped the project and they had to find another distributor in Miramax who likewise said they would not have picked it up without the family supporting it. Nobody on either side has contradicted these claims, so it's a fairly reasonable conclusion. I are Serious Cat This is serious thread reportquote

   Via_Negativa (Topic Creator)2 days ago#100 Serious Cat posted... Via_Negativa posted... You can't answer the impossible question of whether or not they would've halted production if Brandon Lee's loved ones protested. You do need a crystal ball which is able to play out alternate timelines to answer that question. You can argue probability. I have a producer directly involved in the decision saying they would not have continued without support from the family first and were actually leaning towards dropping it regardless. Paramount scrapped the project and they had to find another distributor in Miramax who likewise said they would not have picked it up without the family supporting it. Nobody on either side has contradicted these claims, so it's a fairly reasonable conclusion. So, I have Dana White saying he would've booked Khabib v Ferguson again if Al won his fight. Whether or not that would've actually happened is an impossible question. Either way, my point was about what may have happened if Brandon Lee's fiance attempted to halt production, but this completely whizzed over your head because you're not playing dumb. You can't even make up your mind. To even suggest there's no comparisons to be made between the Brandon Lee situation and Owen Hart tragedy is silly. You quickly shut your mouth on that one, but you had to get your pathetic point-scoring jab in like the joker you are. You even had the raw nerve to pretend like we were in agreement, smfh. Weak business. What! The Farmclub! It's the mother f'ing -chika-chika- Farmclub! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJr8QDBH-3E (edited 2 days ago)reportquote

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      Serious Cat 2 days ago#101 Via_Negativa posted... So, I have Dana White saying he would've booked Khabib v Ferguson again if Al won his fight. Whether or not that would've actually happened is an impossible question. *Shrug* All I've got is the word of someone who was there and involved in the process explicitly not only saying that they would not have continued without the family but were leaning toward shutting down until they got permission. If that's not good enough for you, I don't know what to tell you. Via_Negativa posted... You can't even make up your mind. To even suggest there's no comparisons to be made between the Brandon Lee situation and Owen Hart tragedy is silly. You quickly shut your mouth on that one, Yes, I openly conceded your point when you elaborated. Thus the "fair enough" that you seem to think means something it doesn't.  Via_Negativa posted... You even had the raw nerve to pretend like we were in agreement, That's normally what it means when you stop responding to arguments and go in with personal attacks. I now understand it means that you were not in agreement but had no point to make. I apologize for the confusion. I are Serious Cat This is serious thread reportquote

      Via_Negativa (Topic Creator)2 days ago#102 Whatever. What! The Farmclub! It's the mother f'ing -chika-chika- Farmclub! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJr8QDBH-3E reportquote

      JimPean 2 days ago#103 Don't hurt 'em @Via_Negativa reportquote

      BiggWillieStylk 2 days ago#104 JimPean posted... Don't hurt 'em @Serious_Cat The Poster Formerly Known As BooBooNukem! I'm a Jesus Freak!!! Woohoo! http://www.flickr.com/photos/biggwilliestylk/ - http://www.last.fm/user/BiggWillieStylk/ reportquote

      JimPean 2 days ago#105 Don't edit me or my family's @ ever again reportquote

      Hulkkis 2 days ago#106 broken "South-Korea is the only nation whose national sport has a sequel." -Disc reportquote

      Janpei 2 days ago#107 Collat posted... lilhurk1985187 posted... She should not have had control of Owen like she has had. Control should always go to blood relatives like Bret first and foremost. She is a bitter old bitch n chain that us holding her dead husband hostage. Stay classy. I've seen this guy pop up a few times on PWB and I've been getting the vibe that he's a shit poster. ssjmole was a real person until those NJPW hoodlums corrupted him into a pro-WWE troll account. - DizzyTechno reportquote

      BiggWillieStylk 2 days ago#108 I believe Martha will eventually give her blessing for Owen to be inducted, but I now doubt that she'll ever agree to participate in the ceremony. The Poster Formerly Known As BooBooNukem! I'm a Jesus Freak!!! Woohoo! http://www.flickr.com/photos/biggwilliestylk/ - http://www.last.fm/user/BiggWillieStylk/ reportquote

      TranceQuina 2 days ago#109 BiggWillieStylk posted... I believe Martha will eventually give her blessing for Owen to be inducted, but I now doubt that she'll ever agree to participate in the ceremony. WWE doesn’t need her blessing. They own Owen’s likeness so they could induct Owen without her permission. They just choose not to because not having Owen’s direct family accept makes the company look bad. They won’t give him a solo induction unless either Owen’s widow or Owen’s children agree to appear at the ceremony. "I do what I want, you have problem?" FFIX: Quina Quen reportquote

      lilhurk1985187 2 days ago#110 TranceQuina posted... BiggWillieStylk posted... I believe Martha will eventually give her blessing for Owen to be inducted, but I now doubt that she'll ever agree to participate in the ceremony. WWE doesn’t need her blessing. They own Owen’s likeness so they could induct Owen without her permission. They just choose not to because not having Owen’s direct family accept makes the company look bad. They won’t give him a solo induction unless either Owen’s widow or Owen’s children agree to appear at the ceremony. Brett should be the one to induct him anyway,or atleast their parents ANDBret. That old crone doesnt need to be involved. The amount salt Android 17 causes you children is hilarious. Stay salty trashan fans. reportquote

      lilhurk1985187 2 days ago#111 Ivany2008 posted... Speaking as someone who has viewed Dana Warriors actions over the past couple years, and Vicky Guerreros actions the years after his passing, I tend to notice that the wives don't ever really agree with what the husbands really wanted. Eddie didn't want Vicky to be in the business, and Warrior wanted to support the guys who had supported him during his time. Look how both of those turned out. I'm not surprised Martha is pissed off, I would be too if my husband was killed by a stupid stunt he should have never been part of in the first place. He CHOSE to do it when he diddnt have to,it's half his fault and half WWE'S fault. The amount salt Android 17 causes you children is hilarious. Stay salty trashan fans. reportquote

      Irenicus 2 days ago#112 lilhurk1985187 posted... Ivany2008 posted... Speaking as someone who has viewed Dana Warriors actions over the past couple years, and Vicky Guerreros actions the years after his passing, I tend to notice that the wives don't ever really agree with what the husbands really wanted. Eddie didn't want Vicky to be in the business, and Warrior wanted to support the guys who had supported him during his time. Look how both of those turned out. I'm not surprised Martha is pissed off, I would be too if my husband was killed by a stupid stunt he should have never been part of in the first place. He CHOSE to do it when he diddnt have to,it's half his fault and half WWE'S fault. Did he instigate the idea or did WWE ask him to do it? The only way I can see Owen having any blame is if he was warned about the risk and chose to do it anyway. Otherwise he had an accident at work that wasn't his fault and WWE bear the responsibility. Feel the burning stare of my hamster and change your ways reportquote

      lilhurk1985187 2 days ago#113 Irenicus posted... lilhurk1985187 posted... Ivany2008 posted...  show hidden quote(s) He CHOSE to do it when he diddnt have to,it's half his fault and half WWE'S fault. Did he instigate the idea or did WWE ask him to do it? The only way I can see Owen having any blame is if he was warned about the risk and chose to do it anyway. Otherwise he had an accident at work that wasn't his fault and WWE bear the responsibility. WWE came up with the idea but knew Owen was scared of heights,they let him choose whether to go through with it or not after explaining the dangers. Owen,being the entertainer. he was decided to go through with it. Mistakes were made and he ended up dying. If martha us going to be upset then thats fine,but she cant just put 100% of the blame on WWE and non on her husbands choice to do it knowing the danger of this stunt. The amount salt Android 17 causes you children is hilarious. Stay salty trashan fans. reportquote

      mybbqrules 2 days ago#114 ssjmole posted... This reminds me of the HISHE for Batman V Superman. "YOUR MOM'S NAME IS LIKE MY MOM'S NAME! WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN!?" This is my new sig. It sucks compared to my old one because apparently gfaqs mods have never seen cleavage before. GG. reportquote

      BiggWillieStylk 2 days ago#115 TranceQuina posted... BiggWillieStylk posted... I believe Martha will eventually give her blessing for Owen to be inducted, but I now doubt that she'll ever agree to participate in the ceremony. WWE doesn’t need her blessing. They own Owen’s likeness so they could induct Owen without her permission. They just choose not to because not having Owen’s direct family accept makes the company look bad. They won’t give him a solo induction unless either Owen’s widow or Owen’s children agree to appear at the ceremony. A Hart Foundation group induction would be cool if it was Bret, Owen, Anvil, Bulldog, and Pillman. The Poster Formerly Known As BooBooNukem! I'm a Jesus Freak!!! Woohoo! http://www.flickr.com/photos/biggwilliestylk/ - http://www.last.fm/user/BiggWillieStylk/ reportquote

      Irenicus 1 day ago#116 lilhurk1985187 posted... Irenicus posted... lilhurk1985187 posted...  show hidden quote(s) Did he instigate the idea or did WWE ask him to do it? The only way I can see Owen having any blame is if he was warned about the risk and chose to do it anyway. Otherwise he had an accident at work that wasn't his fault and WWE bear the responsibility. WWE came up with the idea but knew Owen was scared of heights,they let him choose whether to go through with it or not after explaining the dangers. Owen,being the entertainer. he was decided to go through with it. Mistakes were made and he ended up dying. If martha us going to be upset then thats fine,but she cant just put 100% of the blame on WWE and non on her husbands choice to do it knowing the danger of this stunt. Hmmm, from that description I would say it sounds like Owen chose to trust WWE and the responsibility of keeping him safe fell with them. I really cant assign 50% of the blame to Owen based on that.  If you are talking about Martha, for all I know she was angry with Owen for doing the stunt. She doesnt have to put 100% of the blame on WWE to want nothing to do with them. Feel the burning stare of my hamster and change your ways reportquote

      TheBloodyChamp 1 day ago#117 I'm a little late and I didn't read all of this but she's always been a lunatic. We found that out when she went after Diana who was also a lunatic by then but I don't think she always was 1. Martha was a psych major before she even met Owen so...anyway she strikes me as 1 of those women who can convince herself that she is never wrong, and when she is wrong she's really not wrong because she's the exception to the rule and nobody else gets it. The thing about that is, drunk minds usually speak the truth - 1NfamousACE_2 on Riley Cooper reportquote

      BiggWillieStylk 1 day ago#118 Irenicus posted... lilhurk1985187 posted... Irenicus posted...  show hidden quote(s) WWE came up with the idea but knew Owen was scared of heights,they let him choose whether to go through with it or not after explaining the dangers. Owen,being the entertainer. he was decided to go through with it. Mistakes were made and he ended up dying. If martha us going to be upset then thats fine,but she cant just put 100% of the blame on WWE and non on her husbands choice to do it knowing the danger of this stunt. Hmmm, from that description I would say it sounds like Owen chose to trust WWE and the responsibility of keeping him safe fell with them. I really cant assign 50% of the blame to Owen based on that.  If you are talking about Martha, for all I know she was angry with Owen for doing the stunt. She doesnt have to put 100% of the blame on WWE to want nothing to do with them. The key words there are "Owen chose." The Poster Formerly Known As BooBooNukem! I'm a Jesus Freak!!! Woohoo! http://www.flickr.com/photos/biggwilliestylk/ - http://www.last.fm/user/BiggWillieStylk/ reportquote

      FFTHEWINNER 1 day ago#119 lilhurk1985187 posted... She should not have had control of Owen like she has had. Control should always go to blood relatives like Bret first and foremost. She is a bitter old bitch n chain that us holding her dead husband hostage. WHO AM I?FFTHEWINNER. WHO ARE YOU?URTHELOSER http://i.imgur.com/xgSex.png reportquote

      Behaviorism 1 day ago#120 blackmore posted... Via_Negativa posted... blackmore posted...  show hidden quote(s) What about Bret Hart's imagined relationship? Mark Henry's imagined relationship? It isn't just the fans calling for Owen Hart to be inducted in the WWE Hall of Fame. For me, his wife and kids take priority. And frankly, Bret and Mark Henry should be respecting that or having those conversations with her in private, not publicizing it. Marriage is by law. Sibling relationships are blood Find peace in the embrace of the goddess reportquote

      vipermckay 1 day ago#121 Why would she want anything to do with a company that took her husband's life? "Hank if you're steering then who's taking off your shirt!!!" -Dale Gribble reportquote

      Mizerous 1 day ago#122 WHY DID YOU SAY THAT NAME! Had to reference that>.> You know what it is. Playing: Dragon Quest VIII reportquote

      OurLadyPeace 1 day ago#123 Do many of you feel that someone's blood relatives rather than their spouse make decisions regarding a person after they die? I'm really surprised at that. Pixel Noir. Coming soon to PC/Mac/Linux/PS4/PS Vita/Xbox One reportquote

      Irenicus 1 day ago#124 BiggWillieStylk posted... Irenicus posted... lilhurk1985187 posted...  show hidden quote(s) Hmmm, from that description I would say it sounds like Owen chose to trust WWE and the responsibility of keeping him safe fell with them. I really cant assign 50% of the blame to Owen based on that.  If you are talking about Martha, for all I know she was angry with Owen for doing the stunt. She doesnt have to put 100% of the blame on WWE to want nothing to do with them. The key words there are "Owen chose." No they arent. The key words there are "trust WWE" If you chose to climb a ladder for work because they asked you to do a job, then you fell off and hurt yourself, you would be suing the fuck out of the company for it. No chance you would be saying "oh well I chose to do this so its really my fault" Feel the burning stare of my hamster and change your ways (edited 1 day ago)reportquote

      Via_Negativa (Topic Creator)1 day ago#125 Irenicus posted... BiggWillieStylk posted... Irenicus posted...  show hidden quote(s) The key words there are "Owen chose." No they arent. The key words there are "trust WWE" If you chose to climb a ladder for work because they asked you to do a job, then you fell off and hurt yourself, you would be suing the fuck out of the company for it. No chance you would be saying "oh well I chose to do this so its really my fault" Well, you'd only sue if the company was at fault. Falling off a ladder doesn't automatically mean the company was at fault. @Irenicus What! The Farmclub! It's the mother f'ing -chika-chika- Farmclub! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJr8QDBH-3E (edited 1 day ago)reportquote

      ssjmole 1 day ago#126 mybbqrules posted... ssjmole posted... This reminds me of the HISHE for Batman V Superman. "YOUR MOM'S NAME IS LIKE MY MOM'S NAME! WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN!?" Lol Signature, What's that? reportquote

      Irenicus 23 hours ago#127 Haha reading that back I possibly could have put a bit more detail into that analogy. What I am trying to say is the burden of ensuring Owen's safety lay with the company, as evidenced by the payout they made to the family after the fact. I don't think its reasonable to assign Owen 50% of the blame based on the fact it was possoble for him to refuse. Feel the burning stare of my hamster and change your ways reportquote

      Via_Negativa (Topic Creator)23 hours ago#128 The blame lies solely with the rigging crew and whoever was in charge of that. If the proper safety measures were taken... What! The Farmclub! It's the mother f'ing -chika-chika- Farmclub! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJr8QDBH-3E reportquote

      Irenicus 22 hours ago#129 Via_Negativa posted... The blame lies solely with the rigging crew and whoever was in charge of that. If the proper safety measures were taken... From an objective standpoint absolutely, but I can see why Martha might blame the company or the McMahon's as a result. It wasn't the rigging crew who initially came up with the idea of putting Owen up there after all. Feel the burning stare of my hamster and change your ways reportquote

      darkrain108 20 hours ago#130 Why is she still a Hart though? I do hate that women can keep the married name after death/divorce. I get he married her, but it's wrong for what amounts to extended family making these kinds of decisions. I'd be on board if it were the actual family blocking. i5-2500k@4.2ghz/8GB Ripjaws PC3 10666/XFX Radeon 5850 1GB/Westinghouse 24"LCD/WD Blue 500GB/WD Blue 640GB/Creative Fatality Pro/G15 Keyboard/CM Storm Mouse reportquote

      OurLadyPeace 19 hours ago#131 darkrain108 posted... do hate that women can keep the married name after death WTF. Really? Of all the things to get mad about. Pixel Noir. Coming soon to PC/Mac/Linux/PS4/PS Vita/Xbox One reportquote

      Serious Cat 17 hours ago#132 Irenicus posted... Via_Negativa posted... The blame lies solely with the rigging crew and whoever was in charge of that. If the proper safety measures were taken... From an objective standpoint absolutely, but I can see why Martha might blame the company or the McMahon's as a result. It wasn't the rigging crew who initially came up with the idea of putting Owen up there after all. There's a shared responsibility between everyone involved. WWE needs to be sure the rigging crew knows what it's doing. The rigging crew needs to make sure the guy on the wire knows what he's doing. I are Serious Cat This is serious thread reportquote

      blackmore 16 hours ago#133 darkrain108 posted... Why is she still a Hart though? I do hate that women can keep the married name after death/divorce. I get he married her, but it's wrong for what amounts to extended family making these kinds of decisions. I'd be on board if it were the actual family blocking. So wife is not immediate family? Just about the dumbest argument made in a thread with a lot of them. Congrats! Editor for Critical Blast & Contributor for Conversation with the Big Guy. reportquote

      BiggWillieStylk 15 hours ago#134 darkrain108 posted... Why is she still a Hart though? I do hate that women can keep the married name after death/divorce. I get he married her, but it's wrong for what amounts to extended family making these kinds of decisions. I'd be on board if it were the actual family blocking. Marriage is to be taken more seriously than that. It's where 2 literally become 1. The Poster Formerly Known As BooBooNukem! I'm a Jesus Freak!!! Woohoo! http://www.flickr.com/photos/biggwilliestylk/ - http://www.last.fm/user/BiggWillieStylk/ reportquote

      Cal12 15 hours ago#135 darkrain108 posted... Why is she still a Hart though? I do hate that women can keep the married name after death/divorce. I get he married her, but it's wrong for what amounts to extended family making these kinds of decisions. I'd be on board if it were the actual family blocking. You literally called his widow extended family. You do understand marriage and where families start, right? reportquote

      DeathMagnetic80 15 hours ago#136 darkrain108 posted... Why is she still a Hart though? I do hate that women can keep the married name after death/divorce. I get he married her, but it's wrong for what amounts to extended family making these kinds of decisions. I'd be on board if it were the actual family blocking. I mean.... that's just standard estate law. Unless a will states otherwise, the entirety of the estate goes to the surviving spouse. It's part of the reason why gay folks were fighting so hard for gay marriage, because of those legal protections. reportquote

      FFTHEWINNER 14 hours ago#137 BiggWillieStylk posted... darkrain108 posted... Why is she still a Hart though? I do hate that women can keep the married name after death/divorce. I get he married her, but it's wrong for what amounts to extended family making these kinds of decisions. I'd be on board if it were the actual family blocking. Marriage is to be taken more seriously than that. It's where 2 literally become 1. fully agree. still think she is an a**hole though. WHO AM I?FFTHEWINNER. WHO ARE YOU?URTHELOSER http://i.imgur.com/xgSex.png reportquote

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