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What was the most entertaining year in WCW history?

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FLOUR 2 days ago#1
Well? - Results (113 votes)
1989
0.88%
1
1990
0%
0
1991
0.88%
1
1992
1.77%
2
1994
0.88%
1
1996
13.27%
15
1997
55.75%
63
1998
10.62%
12
1999
14.16%
16
Other
1.77%
2
Turner bought JCP late in 1988 and rebranded it as WCW. So I'm only considering the years from 1989 onwards. And vote only if you're familiar with all of these.

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Dynedux 2 days ago#2
The last one
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Going with 1997.

Luger's title win on TV. I give Zero fucks to the fact he lost it less than a week later but it was a classic. Soloed Macho and the Outsiders, Made Hogan tap like the cowardly Biatch he was.

Lotta Cruiser stuff too but apparently it's not GOOD ENOUGH for some people on here!
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Dynedux 2 days ago#4
Oh, whoops, I read that as most embarrassing 😂😂😂

Yeah, 1997 was great. I'd say 96 but the first half was pretty average at best, 97 was great. Great year in wwe too. Great year for America
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WarGreymon77 2 days ago#5
1997.

Some other good years are 1992, 1998, and 1994.
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Hardcore_Adult posted...
Going with 1997.

Luger's title win on TV. I give Zero fucks to the fact he lost it less than a week later but it was a classic. Soloed Macho and the Outsiders, Made Hogan tap like the cowardly Biatch he was.


Yeah, all of that. I think we have to be best friends now. Luger <3
Neo-Violen 2 days ago#7
The one where Rick Rude was champ.
Arizona_Joe 2 days ago#8
FLOUR 2 days ago#9
bump

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WTF at 1999 having so many votes? Is this 1 vote per IP or not?
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WarGreymon77 posted...
WTF at 1999 having so many votes? Is this 1 vote per IP or not?

That's exactly my thought. I figured for sure 1997 would be at the top, followed by 1998, but 1999? I stopped watching it in '99 because it got stupid.
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I can't imagine "so bad it's good" being that big of an influence on the votes.
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Katon 2 days ago#13
1997
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Snake 2 days ago#14
Come on guys, 99 wasn't that bad.

I mean it started out with the return of Hogan in the Georgia Dome in front of 40,000 people and winning the World title! I think he faced Nash or something. It really put the butts in the seats.

Then later as he was feuding with Flair for the title, in one of most shocking swerves ever, David Flair, HIS OWN SON! turned on him and became nWo! He later shocked the world by winning the US title! Unbelievable!

Then Hogan and Flair had an epic barbed wire first blood cage match. It was so brutal that the referee couldn't even end the match when both men were bleeding due to how overwhelming AWESOME it was! Flair won the title by getting a 3 count with a figure four! Unpredictability off the charts!

Then DDP finally won the world title!! Then he lost it to Sting on Nitro only the win it back the same night to become the 2 TIME 2 TIME 2TIME HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION OF THE WORLD!!! I mean, god damn!

Then he lost it to Nash who had an EPIC feud with Macho Man involving sewage trucks, women getting assaulted and kidnapped and A MYSTERY MAN IN A HUMMER!! The man was revealed to be SID VICIOUS only to be revealed that he actually wasn't driving the hummer and the driver remained a mystery for months to come!

Also who could forget the adventures of Ric Flair that year. From a gang mugging in a field with helicopters galore to being committed to a MENTAL HOSPITAL where SCOTT HALL was residing. He ended the year seducing Kimberly and Torrie Wilson before getting dumped in the Nevada desert after the Filthy Animals stole his socks! WOO!

Of course I have to mention Oklahoma, what a gimmick! The long awaited return of Hulk Hogan to the Red and Yellow! and two months later his SHOCKING departure laying down for Sting for a reason so important we couldn't be privy to it and of course, what put WCW over the top that year...the genius idea of Eric Bischoff to bring WCW into the new millenium...THE SUMMER OF MUSIC! Toby Keith, Megadeath, ICP, The West Texas Rednecks, Master P and The No Limit Soldiers and last but not least the biggest night in WCW history...KISS!!! Wheww, I tell you what a ride!

And finally to top of such an amazing year, we get a trifecta. Not only do we have the mastermind of the attitude era VINCE RUSSO! at the helm but we get a recreation of the MONTREAL SCREWJOB and the new and improved NWO with Bret Hart, Kevin Nash, Scott Hall and JEFF JARRETT!! My god what a year!
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FLOUR 1 day ago#15
I'm surprised the pre nitro years are doing so badly. They had to do something right to stay afloat all those years.

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1989 was epic. Sting getting hurt really screwed up 1990. By 1991 Jim Herd had started going even more nuts than usual. 1992 had it's moments but Bill Watt's ways weren't as efficient as they had been years ago. 1993 and 1994 also had their moments but the shakeup in 1995 was overdue, which they sabatoged because everything WCW ever did right they had to ultimately ruin. 

I think 1996 was the best. The preNWO half was just as good because they'd about weeded out the nonsense and paycheck grabbers (yes there were always a few around but in late 94-95 that's what 2/3 of the roster was). Then of course The NWO happened and we had all kinds of fun.

1997 was just a great, sabatoged only by Starrcade. 1998 was the worst. When it hit the fan it flew and the results were immediate as far back as the Nitro after Starrcade when the crowd was dead silent. The cleaned up by Spring Stampede 1999 but then Hogan showed back up and...yeah. And I don't think I even need to explain the remaining years.

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96>97

97 has higher highs, but a lot of the nWo stuff started to get tired. Plenty of Nitros where the logic just goes out the window and it's the same nWo beatdown as always.
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I'd rank them like this

1996
1989
1997
1991
1990
1992
1995
1999
1994
1993

1998
2000
2001

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Irenicus 1 day ago#19
For me 97 was the best year in wrestling, not just in WCW
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Neo-Violen 1 day ago#20
Pre-Hogan WCW was fantastic tbh, I enjoyed it more than WWE at the time tbh.
Irenicus posted...
For me 97 was the best year in wrestling, not just in WCW


This would obviously shake up my list if we did it that way. 1997 probably takes it. The first days of the Attitue Era were it's best before they'd sold out to crash TV and toilet humor completely. ECW just got hotter every year and 1997 was no exception.

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spiffyone 1 day ago#22
WarGreymon77 posted...
I can't imagine "so bad it's good" being that big of an influence on the votes.


If it were that, then ‘93 would be ahead, because that was a laughably shit year for WCW.

‘99 wasn’t really hilarious like ‘93 was.

Voted for ‘97, btw. If the JCP years had been included, it probably would’ve been ‘86 or ‘87.
87? No way. The Starrcade disaster, Dusty finjshes every week on TV, and of course him booking himself to beat Luger because he couldn't book himself to beat Flair again. There were some moments like every year but 87 is generally weak.

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KlownArt 1 day ago#24
97 for sure. They messed up the pay off for Stung, but the build was incredible. Not to mention all the other amazing stuff that year.

Stars like Giant, DDP, Rey Mistero Jr, Eddie Guerrero, Steiners, Harlem Heat, and more.
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I went with '96 for the start of the nWo angle before it had 800 million members
spiffyone 1 day ago#26
TheBloodyChamp posted...
87? No way. The Starrcade disaster, Dusty finjshes every week on TV, and of course him booking himself to beat Luger because he couldn't book himself to beat Flair again. There were some moments like every year but 87 is generally weak.


Yeah, just had to look up ‘87 again. Figured I may be wrong on that.
spiffyone posted...
TheBloodyChamp posted...
87? No way. The Starrcade disaster, Dusty finjshes every week on TV, and of course him booking himself to beat Luger because he couldn't book himself to beat Flair again. There were some moments like every year but 87 is generally weak.


Yeah, just had to look up ‘87 again. Figured I may be wrong on that.


Atleast we got Wargames

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97
nWo was still fresh and exciting
midcard and cruiserweights had great talent and matches
DDP climbed up the card with his great feud with Savage
that slow build up with Sting...that got totally fucking wasted at Starrcade
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spiffyone 1 day ago#29
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Yeah, just had to look up ‘87 again. Figured I may be wrong on that.


Atleast we got Wargames


True. 

But ‘87 was a more odd year than I had remembered. Crockett bought out Championship Wrestling from Florida and Watts’ UWF (Mid-South), but apparently kept them both going as separate promotions from Mid-Atlantic for most of that year. So maybe it’s really ‘88 that I’m remembering fondly? I mean, that was the year Turner bought Crockett out, and the Florida and UWF crew was more fully entrenched.

Gotta keep that in mind, as I may be starting a TEW diary for ‘87 soon on this board. First thing I’ll change is not doing it Crockett’s way, because it didn’t make much sense.
Flammableghost posted...
97
nWo was still fresh and exciting
midcard and cruiserweights had great talent and matches
DDP climbed up the card with his great feud with Savage
that slow build up with Sting...that got totally fucking wasted at Starrcade

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88 > 87 for sure. The emergence of Sting, The Fantastics/MX matches, CLASH OF THE CAHMPIONS, and just general clean up of that disaster that was the end of 87 and Starrcade. Fun times.

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JimPean 1 day ago#32
Not sure how 97 is dwarfing 96. '96 was the pinnacle of NWO. 97 wasn't complete dogshit yet as it came to be but it also started the trend of adding anyone with no merit into the squad which hurt the initial takeover. If you're going by raw numbers alone, then fine but raw numbers alone is what sunk WCW eventually, you casuals. @GameGodOfAll had it right.
In 97 meaningless guys in hindsight still meant something at the time, which was 1 of the best things about the NWO. They were like a football team. Everybody had a job that was important and a ton of things were going on at once. If you blinked you lost your place. For instance, Rick Rude's return was a huge deal. His entire run...not so much. Starrcade is really the only bad thing a out 1997.

By 1998 meaningless guys were everywhere, and they were all sold like the return of the greatest champion ever. Brian Adams, Jim Neihart, Wrath etc.

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HagenEx 1 day ago#34
Gotta go with 98... For reasons I'm not allowed to disclose.
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96 greatest year evar
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JimPean 1 day ago#36
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96 greatest year evar
JimPean 1 day ago#37
96 is WCW's best year. The ONLY highlight on 97 was



1:50 onward. Luger was SUPER over. Every week he'd rack a fucking fatter and taller fuck. People would lose their shit. Nash and Hall pushed for it. Tony called the best TITLE WIN of all time. WCW wasn't a complete geek. WCW heralded their top star. Hogan decided to kill it 5 days later. Fuck I hate WCW for destroying what could have been.
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That was a fun night but it wouldn't have been smart to extend Luger's reign. They were already building towards Starrcade, but Luger was the perfect built in excuse to give the fans enough to keep them until Starrcade. Also it was in his contract to get a title win but that's another post. That detail or not Luger's short run made perfect sense.

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FLOUR posted...
I'm surprised the pre nitro years are doing so badly. They had to do something right to stay afloat all those years.

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Pre-Nitro era had good stuff and was enjoyable for the most part. Unfortunately, most people didn't start watching WCW till 1994 (one year before Nitro, but the year Hulk Hogan arrived). But 1995 was when WCW started to get more of an audience (yeah, the Dungeon of Doom stuff was ridiculous, but it was still 100 times better than what WWF was doing at the time with stuff like Diesel vs King Mabel and all that shit). Even during late 1995, Nitro was beating Raw on most weeks (and justifiably so considering how horrible Raw was during late 1995). However, 1996 is the obvious year when WCW blew up in popularity thanks to the debut of the NWO. I feel the BEST year was 1997, even though 1998 had some great moments as well (Goldberg's streak, the 1998 WCW Nitro December finale where it was Flair vs Bischoff for control of WCW.... which I consider to be the greatest storyline finale in wrestling history). 1999 is when WCW's quality started to heavily decline drastically to the point where WCW started to suck. By 2000 it was drop dead horrible.... HORRIBLE!!! 2001 is when things started to improve and WCW got much better and WCW was slowly becoming more enjoyable, but it was too late and WWE bought WCW.
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TheBloodyChamp posted...
87? No way. The Starrcade disaster, Dusty finjshes every week on TV, and of course him booking himself to beat Luger because he couldn't book himself to beat Flair again. There were some moments like every year but 87 is generally weak.


Started watching wrestling around that time and found JCP to be better then WWE. How was Starcade a disaster? The only disaster I remember from that year is Ronnie Garvin being world champ for 2 months.

I do know Magnum TAs car crash the year before really screwed up future storylines.
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JimPean posted...
Not sure how 97 is dwarfing 96. '96 was the pinnacle of NWO. 97 wasn't complete dogshit yet as it came to be but it also started the trend of adding anyone with no merit into the squad which hurt the initial takeover. If you're going by raw numbers alone, then fine but raw numbers alone is what sunk WCW eventually, you casuals. @GameGodOfAll had it right.

When I was mooching off a free WWE Network subscription, I watched Nitro from 1995-early 97. And let me tell ya, 1996 was not that great. DDP hadn't really developed his gimmick yet. Sting was either missing entirely or hadn't picked a side. Macho Man did nothing aside from getting beaten up. The Giant joined the nWo just for shock value before they decided "Uh, you know what, maybe we made a mistake here." And perhaps most importantly, the undercard was nothing compared to its peak in 1997-98. Jericho was still babyface and there were only a small handful of luchadors... La Parka had not yet become a regular. But he did have a stylin' red robe!

1997 is really where Monday Nitro finally shifts into high gear.
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97 is the greatest year in wrestling history. Japan was on fire, too.
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Hardcore_Adult 22 hours ago#43
Occupy_This posted...
TheBloodyChamp posted...
87? No way. The Starrcade disaster, Dusty finjshes every week on TV, and of course him booking himself to beat Luger because he couldn't book himself to beat Flair again. There were some moments like every year but 87 is generally weak.


Started watching wrestling around that time and found JCP to be better then WWE. How was Starcade a disaster? The only disaster I remember from that year is Ronnie Garvin being world champ for 2 months.

I do know Magnum TAs car crash the year before really screwed up future storylines.


JCP/WCW/NWA was either everyone's Dad's Wrestling or Big Brother's Wrestling.
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TheBloodyChamp 18 hours ago#44
JCP was better than WWF pretty often, and 1987 was still good, but good was about it. Starrcade was a disaster on the business end (Vince threatening the cable companies, the ratings once it was over, etc) and the show wasn't all that great. The only good match was the opening 6 man tag and even it had that camera man botch.

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Hardcore_Adult 18 hours ago#45
Vince was definitely a lot more vicious in his 40s.
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spiffyone 13 hours ago#46
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Started watching wrestling around that time and found JCP to be better then WWE. How was Starcade a disaster? The only disaster I remember from that year is Ronnie Garvin being world champ for 2 months.

I do know Magnum TAs car crash the year before really screwed up future storylines.


JCP/WCW/NWA was either everyone's Dad's Wrestling or Big Brother's Wrestling.


Eh, I think that while the production values of the WWF TV shows in the ‘80s, including ‘87, were second to none, JCP/MACW and even AWA had better in-ring action and more important matches during their respective TV shows. For the latter two, there were jobber squashes, sure, but there were also more in the way of major matches between guys (and ladies) further up the card filling up the shows.

The most WWF had was the “feature matches” as main events on Superstars of Wrestling, Wrestling Challenge, and Prime Time Wrestling. There was nothing on those weekly WWF shows to the caliber as far as star status like JCP having, say, Windham and Garvin vs. Blanchard and Anderson of the Horsemen followed closely by Dusty and the Road Warriors in a six man tag match against Powers of Pain and Ivan Koloff like you might see on an episode of World Championship Wrestling/Saturday Night or World Wide, or an hour long iron man match pitting Bockwinkel against Curt Hennig (AWA Championship Wrestling on ESPN).

Of course, each were operating at the time on very different product philosophies and strategies. That’s one of the reasons it’s one of my two favorite eras of pro wrestling.
TheBloodyChamp 13 hours ago#47
WWF TV SUCKED. The cheapest looking territorial TV show was better than any WWF TV show. None of those guys were as good a businessman as Vince McMahon though. That was 1 of the differences.

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Justin2Krelian 13 hours ago#48
And surprise surprise, 99’s gotten almost no votes since the random surge
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Justin2Krelian 13 hours ago#49
So was Starrcade strictly JCP or all of NWA in the 80s?
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spiffyone 13 hours ago#50
TheBloodyChamp posted...
WWF TV SUCKED. The cheapest looking territorial TV show was better than any WWF TV show. None of those guys were as good a businessman as Vince McMahon though. That was 1 of the differences.


In-ring product I agree. But the production values were much better, for one. Image isn’t everything, but it’s very important in product positioning, especially on TV. WWF just looked big time whereas AWA and, to a greater extent, JCP/NWA/WCW didn’t.

But, honestly, as I stated, they were operating on very different philosophies. More time on Superstars and Challenge was spent on interview segments like The Snake Pit than on in-ring action to set up angles, for instance. On JCP/NWA and AWA, there were interviews, but they took a back seat to the matches (and JCP and AWA handled them differently compared to one another at that). And then the ways the matches were set up were wildly different between the three as well.
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    TheBloodyChamp 13 hours ago#51
    It was all of the NWA with JCP (Dusty Rhodes) running it until Ted Turner bought out JCP. By 1987 no other territories participated though because they had the whole UWF storyline climaxing that night, and fewer participated every year anyway because they'd dried up and the ones left weren't interested in Dusty's drama. The first several had a few high profile matches between guys feuding in territories.

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    In-ring product I agree. But the production values were much better, for one. Image isn’t everything, but it’s very important in product positioning, especially on TV. WWF just lookedbig time whereas AWA and, to a greater extent, JCP/NWA/WCW didn’t.

    But, honestly, as I stated, they were operating on very different philosophies. More time on Superstars and Challenge was spent on interview segments like The Snake Pit than on in-ring action to set up angles, for instance. On JCP/NWA and AWA, there were interviews, but they took a back seat to the matches (and JCP and AWA handled them differently compared to one another at that). And then the ways the matches were set up were wildly different between the three as well.

    ^ I agree. Late 80s NWA/JCP production values looked like shit. Raw in 1996 looked kinda like that.
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    Oliver_Oliver 10 hours ago#53
    spiffyone posted...
    TheBloodyChamp posted...
    WWF TV SUCKED. The cheapest looking territorial TV show was better than any WWF TV show. None of those guys were as good a businessman as Vince McMahon though. That was 1 of the differences.


    In-ring product I agree. But the production values were much better, for one. Image isn’t everything, but it’s very important in product positioning, especially on TV. WWF just lookedbig time whereas AWA and, to a greater extent, JCP/NWA/WCW didn’t.

    But, honestly, as I stated, they were operating on very different philosophies. More time on Superstars and Challenge was spent on interview segments like The Snake Pit than on in-ring action to set up angles, for instance. On JCP/NWA and AWA, there were interviews, but they took a back seat to the matches (and JCP and AWA handled them differently compared to one another at that). And then the ways the matches were set up were wildly different between the three as well.


    ^I agree with this.
    Also, McMahon was VERY good when it came to making deals with tons of TV stations and making sure the WWF got a huge amount of national circulation on FREE TV as well as cable (on top of all of that, WWF shows were being shown in very good regular time slots on FREE TV for people to find). As a child of the 80's, it was VERY easy to find WWF programming.

    That wasn't the case with AWA, which was stuck in a shitty timeslot on ESPN (which is obviously a cable network, definitely not free TV)... and that's not including the many times ESPN would push AWA into some weird alternate time slot in favor of some baseball game or something. You really had to be a devoted AWA fan to even find an AWA TV show. I was a huge Sgt. Slaughter fan at the time because of his appearances on G.I Joe and I never knew the AWA even existed until years after they went out of business. I was actually shocked to find out Sgt.Slaughter was an AWA wrestler during the mid to late 80's, and I was a huge fan of his due to his G.I Joe appearances.

    As for JCP (part of NWA and what would eventually morph into WCW a few years later), I knew it existed since my uncle had cable so I would watch JCP once a month on the TBS cable station whenever I was at his house. However, because I didn't have cable at my home and only had FREE TV (ABC, CBS, NBC, FOX, and two syndicated stations, one of which eventually became the CW many years later) I mostly watched WWF each week since that was the only wrestling fed on FREE TV in my area that was shown in very good time slots.
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    TheBloodyChamp 10 hours ago#54
    If anybody ever cared about production values on a wrestling show, they wouldn't have been on TV for a hundred million years. Sure WWF was superior in the production department but it was irrelevant imo. Alot more people enjoyed that old hissing CWF TV show than they did that crisp TNA show for instance. And now that everything is so overproduced I find myself watching the ROH show late at night sometimes like "cool...a room with a ring in it" lol!

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