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It was perfectly serviceable. I don't see how people can say it was "terrible". It was fine. But it wasn't great.
That said, neither guy seemed to be setting the ring on fire. There wasn't a huge build up towards the finish. I think it certainly would have benefited from ten more minutes. But again, it was totally fine.
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At first i thought both of AJ and Nakamura shared the blame. After watching Dbryan/AJ last night i realized Nakamura completely sucks and should be sent back to NXT where anyone with a catchy entrance theme is cheered
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It's Nakamura for me. And it's starting to annoy me, because he just doesn't seem to care. He is losing me as a fan.
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It was chapter 1 in a program they're doing. No need to do a ****+ match now, regardless of the stage they're on.
Now, future matches will have more heat and they'll have a chance to really put on a clinic. |
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Amazak posted...
It was chapter 1 in a program they're doing. No need to do a ****+ match now, regardless of the stage they're on. This doesn't make sense to me. You have the rumble winner and the fucking WWE champ and you are ok with it being a throwaway match on the biggest show of the year? It would have made more sense if they had 30 minutes of Nak trying desperately only to fail and THEN turn heel and take the step to beat styles. |
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I'd give slightly more blame to WWE, because the build/story was so lame that there was no heat going in at all; it was just "This is a dream match! You are excited for this!" So AJ and Nakamura were starting from being ice cold with a crowd who didn't seem to know why they should care.
But I guess they could have still turned out a great match that got people into it, and they didn't, so they both deserve plenty of blame too. |
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AsIfByMagic posted...
I'd give slightly more blame to WWE, because the build/story was so lame that there was no heat going in at all; it was just "This is a dream match! You are excited for this!" So AJ and Nakamura were starting from being ice cold with a crowd who didn't seem to know why they should care. Except the fans were crazy as Fuck when the match started. It was like two solid minutes of AJ Styles/Nakamura dual chants. Then the crowd died down and never picked up again because they never really kicked it into the next gwar. It ended up being a good, average match when it should have been great.
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_MorningStar posted...
Amazak posted...It was chapter 1 in a program they're doing. No need to do a ****+ match now, regardless of the stage they're on. I agree, don't get me wrong i get what @Amazak is saying, but of all ppvs?
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_MorningStar posted...
Amazak posted...It was chapter 1 in a program they're doing. No need to do a ****+ match now, regardless of the stage they're on. Or they could’ve even built it up on Smackdown instead of doing nothing...
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Fans for overhyping it as some mega dream spectacular.
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Amazak posted...
It was chapter 1 in a program they're doing. No need to do a ****+ match now, regardless of the stage they're on. This, and the answer to the poll is “Nobody - it’s part of a bigger picture.” A lot of us were questioning why the build to this match was so weak, and the answer is pretty clear now... Wrestlemania was the first big step towards making this becoming a big feud. If there will be a 2nd match and beyond, it would be completely foolish to show their entire hand on their first match. Start slow, and make the ultimate blowoff the match that goes for broke.
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BudDupree48 posted...
Oh shut the fuck up. It doesn't get any bigger than mania and it didn't reach the astronomical expectations. Why should I care to see the match again because a bunch of low blows. Funny you should say that and still support a Reigns match which literally consisted of spears, F5s and superman punches.
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The Popo posted...
Amazak posted...It was chapter 1 in a program they're doing. No need to do a ****+ match now, regardless of the stage they're on. Word. Nak's attack smack on AJ's sack put that stack of wack back in the black.
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schizoid37 posted...
BudDupree48 posted...Oh shut the fuck up. It doesn't get any bigger than mania and it didn't reach the astronomical expectations. Why should I care to see the match again because a bunch of low blows. I don't support that. That was terrible |
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ghettorevival posted...
it's the first in a 3 WM series Well you're right about that 2nd part. |
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_MorningStar posted...
Amazak posted...It was chapter 1 in a program they're doing. No need to do a ****+ match now, regardless of the stage they're on. It plays into the story of "Why would you ruin this dream match." Nakamura was obviously lying to himself and wasn't as passionate as AJ was. Not winning the title made him realize he needs to up his game and just go all out and quit hiding his true self. I think it works and their match at Backlash should be better and more intense. |
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BudDupree48 posted...
Oh shut the fuck up. It doesn't get any bigger than mania and it didn't reach the astronomical expectations. Why should I care to see the match again because a bunch of low blows. Quit being so ignorant. WrestleMania is just a season finale to a TV show. Calm down. It's just a name. It's just an event that they put more money into every year and celebrity involvement just to get mainstream press. Backlash could have been WrestleMania. Survivor Series, Royal Rumble, even freaking Great Balls of Fire can be if Vince wants it too. It's just another PPV. Difference with Mania is, it's used to gain mainstream and celebrity interest. That's it. It doesn't need to be a, "great wrestling show." It was literally only made to appeal to a wider audience. |
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Blame the WWE for over-hyping it and supposedly forcing them to work a safer style of match than their previous fight.
Maybe AJ Styles does have a nagging injury. But then why have him retain? Or is it possible that this was Nakamura's third one-on-one shot at the WWE Championship at a PPV since August and he's lost all of them. Maybe he just couldn't get pumped up for it. Anyway, it was a good match. Disappointing though.
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Bahamut knight zero posted...
Its all on Nakamura No, don’t blame him. Blame the fans that sing to his theme and wanted him to win the RR so badly. I’ve only had two moments where I really like Nakamura and I hope he can keep it up. “AJ Styles is winner, you are loosers.” Then his apology followed by “Sorry, I no speak English.”
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Dynedux posted...
They didn't hit as hard, but given pretty close to the same amount of time iirc
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_MorningStar posted...
Amazak posted...It was chapter 1 in a program they're doing. No need to do a ****+ match now, regardless of the stage they're on. The IWC is in denial about them underperforming. These are two of the supposed best in the world. (AJ for sure is. Nak is questionable at this point.) They should be able to have several great matches. Orton and Christian for example, had four or five great matches in a row. The idea that they should have a weak match because it's a long rivalry is stupid. Like fine, they shouldn't go all out. But AJ is a walking 4* star match. Nak when he tries, can break out a 4* at any moment. This match should have been 4*, with them going all out and having a classic 5* to end it all. They legit gave us a 3* match with nothing memorable.
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3* is very generous
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I’ll fight Meltzer. I went **3/4. Couldn’t possibly go higher.TeamXtreme415 posted...They should have started the feud sooner and dropped the dream match crap. Nak should have had a chance at a Ppv before the rumble, lost, had his heel turn and then won the rumble and went full blown heel leading to a much better and meaningful mania match.
I would have like this. Except he turns after the Rumble, so we still get his feel good victory."The Lord is my rock and my fortress and my deliverer." (Psalm 18:2 - ESV)It's telling when the wwe hype video package is underwhelming
That said, the match needed like 10 more minutes. Cut some fat from the main event and let these guys have it, or just add an extra ten minutes to the show run time
It also felt like they weren't wrestling like a NJPW style which if they were they probably would have given us a classic. They felt restricted in what they could do.
It wasn't a bad match thoughkayoticdreamz posted...It's telling when the wwe hype video package is underwhelming
That said, the match needed like 10 more minutes. Cut some fat from the main event and let these guys have it, or just add an extra ten minutes to the show run time
It also felt like they weren't wrestling like a NJPW style which if they were they probably would have given us a classic. They felt restricted in what they could do.
It wasn't a bad match though
Brock/Roman was five minutes shorter though. Ten more minutes wouldn't have made it any less dull. It would have just dragged longer.
Both these men have been apart of G1 Climax where 95% of the matches are under 18 minutes. And quite a few of them are 4* matches. They know how to work under 20 minutes and have it be good."The Lord is my rock and my fortress and my deliverer." (Psalm 18:2 - ESV)I had someone debate with me what i'm seeing here: That it was the beginning of a storyline, and an above average match wasn't necessary, because its part of the plan.
And i'm sorry, I think that's BS. There is no storyline reason that you could not have had an above average match (not even "5 stars", i'm talking just at least as good as the Shane match last year) and still arrived at the same ending.
In my eyes, the more they go all out, the more it strengthens what came after, honestly. But maybe that's just me.
I think its a disservice to the supposed 74k who paid their money to be entertained to say "its okay to have a meh match, because its the beginning you stupid smark!". It wasn't bad, that's for sure. But I mean Bryan/AJ had a better match on Tuesday, even with the interference.snikt6384 posted...I had someone debate with me what i'm seeing here: That it was the beginning of a storyline, and an above average match wasn't necessary, because its part of the plan.
And i'm sorry, I think that's BS. There is no storyline reason that you could not have had an above average match (not even "5 stars", i'm talking just at least as good as the Shane match last year) and still arrived at the same ending.
In my eyes, the more they go all out, the more it strengthens what came after, honestly. But maybe that's just me.
I think its a disservice to the supposed 74k who paid their money to be entertained to say "its okay to have a meh match, because its the beginning you stupid smark!". It wasn't bad, that's for sure. But I mean Bryan/AJ had a better match on Tuesday, even with the interference.
This is the part that kills me. People are legit defending a poor match. A match they paid money to see. Like, people have their smark heads so far up their own smark backside, that they've completely forgotten they are the consumer. Why as customers are we defending shelling out money for a poor product? It makes no sense.
It's like when people bash Bischoff for having Goldberg win the title on Nitro. "They could have done great buyrates!" We're not in the wrestling business!! We're fans who got a memorable moment FOR FREE. That's a win for us."The Lord is my rock and my fortress and my deliverer." (Psalm 18:2 - ESV)It takes two to tango so blame both of them. This should prove that neither of them is main event worthy. Don't blame the story because all you guys cared about until the match was the actual match itself.
The Cena and Undertaker match was more interesting, and it lasted literally 3 minutes.I am Ruthless Aggression.Honestly, it wasn't a bad match, it just wasn't a "five star classic", either. And I get it, expectations were high, so obviously that magnifies some people's disappointment, but it was a solid bout. Just not quite the "epic" we hoped to see.
And the thing is, you kind of have to look at the bigger picture of things. If the plan were for this match to have been something of a one off, to give people the "dream match" and let it end after that, they probably would've booked it to be more of an "epic". But it's quite clear now that WWE intended for this match to be the "beginning" of something, and we'll probably see this as a continued feud for another month or two, at least. And because this match was the "beginning", WWE is obviously going to sandbag it a little so that it doesn't feel like we've already seen everything they have to offer. They do this quite frequently, actually.
I think "blame" is a hard word, though. I mean, those of us that watch things outside of WWE know that both guys are capable of more in the ring. And I wouldn't even say that WWE purposely wanted to "kill" the match with their booking. It's just that, all of us kind of went into this match expecting an "end", but in reality, WWE was booking it to be a "beginning". That's not necessarily a bad thing, but it's understandable that people are upset and unhappy.https://www.youtube.com/RatedM477
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