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Tuesday, October 23, 2018

Fox is giving orders to Vince - wants Cormier hired as commentator

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babypun39 1 day ago#1
Sources: many including Pro Wrestling News, Wrestling Observer, Wrestling Inc

https://www.wrestlinginc.com/news/2018/10/fox-reportedly-wants-current-ufc-champion-on-smackdown-live-646993/

Fox has basically ordered Vince to do two things for smackdown Live:
1) Make it a completely sports style show ala NJPW, with less promos and less comedy
2) Hire Daniel Cormier as a commentator if Cormier is willing

Let's see if Vince bends over and accedes to Fox's will. We'll see soon enough where the true power lies.
So Fox wants to make the show easier to produce and get rid of Saxton? Win fucking win!

(Is actually fully prepared for Fox to cancel SD uber quick again and send the E into a money losing, stock destroying tailspin)
Jules Rules 1 day ago#3
I mean, he can't be any worse than Saxton right?
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Iceyflame 1 day ago#4
Cormier is not a bad commentator for UFC and he is a fan of WWE so he could do a decent enough fit
Finn-X 1 day ago#5
Fox is Hitler now?
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Dynedux 1 day ago#7
Yeah, this isn't something that just pops up before shows air and after deals are signed. Unless this was part of the negotiations in the beginning this is fake news.
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OK, less comedy BS (win!) And less long ass boring promos (win!). Also hire this Cormier fellow. We like him (Replace Saxton? Another win!)

...sadly it won't matter as Fox will cancel the deal so damn fast.
Stover46 1 day ago#9
They're going to make the show even more boring
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TundraKing87 posted...
So Fox wants to make the show easier to produce and get rid of Saxton? Win fucking win!

(Is actually fully prepared for Fox to cancel SD uber quick again and send the E into a money losing, stock destroying tailspin)

Lol yea fucking right
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ssjmole 1 day ago#13
Less promos and comedy? Final nail in smackdowns coffin for me if that happens. I watch wrestling for stories and characters. Removing that to pretend to be a sport? Fuck that I'll watch UFC if all I care about is the fight 🤦‍♂ dumb move of look pussy assed fake fighting is been treated like a sport. Fuck that shit
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Less promos/comedy and more sports (I'm assuming more of a focus on matches and better matches overall). 

Sounds a lot like NXT or 205. 

How is this a bad thing exactly?
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Charged151 1 day ago#16
I don't know who Cormier is but more actual wrestling would be nice. Granted, I hope this doesn't mean a huge reduction in promos otherwise people won't care why people are wrestling. I couldn't care less about the "comedy" honestly, with most funny things being botches anyway.
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Maybe the reason why WWE got such a sweet deal from Fox is because Fox was granted some sort of creative control in the contract. Who knows?
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pycho316 1 day ago#18
Could it be? Could Fox actually turn this shitshow around? 

Those are 2 promising changes right there. Fucking love DC too though I don't doubt Vince can find ways to make him terrible.
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Grischnak 1 day ago#19
How much does Cormier like WWE? I know Chael is like a real big fan and he could probably do commentary. I don't know how much Cormier actually knows though.
captainjeff87 posted...
Less promos/comedy and more sports (I'm assuming more of a focus on matches and better matches overall). 

Sounds a lot like NXT or 205. 

How is this a bad thing exactly?

imagine if RAW was the only show where you would find nonsensical booking and garbage characters 

I'm sure there's better things to do on Monday nights lol
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balaysked 1 day ago#21
I'm okay with these changes.
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Maybe the reason why WWE got such a sweet deal from Fox is because Fox was granted some sort of creative control in the contract. Who knows?

Well the USA deals all the time were USA is almost guaranteed money and it's up to WWE to increase viewership to raise their personal profits from Raw. Maybe the Smackdown deal is more Fox benefits from Smackdown getting better ratings so they obviously don't want a Bobby Lashley's sisters segment making people change the channel. We'll see when Smackdown airs what it looks like and if it stays that way. Obviously they're gonna put in a solid 2 month effort with title changes and stuff but let's see if Vince and Fox get complacent.
_Kalecgos_ 1 day ago#23
Even if FOX doubtfully had that kind of influence and had their way with Cormier, the joke is on them when they realise WWE commentary is basically Vince's mouthpiece. x')
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Dynedux 1 day ago#24
Grischnak posted...
How much does Cormier like WWE? I know Chael is like a real big fan and he could probably do commentary. I don't know how much Cormier actually knows though.

Cormier is a huge fan
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TheRock88 1 day ago#25
Grischnak posted...
How much does Cormier like WWE? I know Chael is like a real big fan and he could probably do commentary. I don't know how much Cormier actually knows though.


Big fan, he was thinking of doing a tryout with them back in 04 I believe and Kurt Angle told him to stick with his Olympic training instead. Turned out pretty well.
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Dikitain 1 day ago#26
Grischnak posted...
How much does Cormier like WWE? I know Chael is like a real big fan and he could probably do commentary. I don't know how much Cormier actually knows though.

If he is color he doesn't need to know a lot. Just basically who to side with and the name of a few moves here and there. 

I highly doubt they would make him play-by-play, that would be a disaster.
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MichaelS91 1 day ago#27
I actually quite like the way it is now (been better than watching Raw most of the year), but yeah dump Saxton.
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GamingVet 1 day ago#28
Wrestling should be more sports based. That doesn't mean we won't have promos or storylines, just a lot less comedy and bs. 

I would love to see them actually create wrestler rankings so that every match means something. Now, the matches only matter when they randomly decide to use it to advance a storyline for a title shot or whatever. 

This would require the bookers to actually think ahead and I feel the most talented wrestlers would then be in a better spot to get over.

Oh and we wouldn't have to see New Day come out with cereal and pancakes any longer. 

As far as the new announcer, why not. Who the hell would actually miss Saxton anyway.
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Cormier is a huge wrestling fan and he's great to listen to on UFC cards.

This is a win-win.
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MichaelS91 1 day ago#30
GamingVet posted...

I would love to see them actually create wrestler rankings so that every match means something..

https://dailyddt.com/2018/01/30/wwe-first-ever-smackdown-top-10-ranking-to-start-this-week/
That literally happened, soon ignored that didn't they.
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ssjmole 1 day ago#31
GamingVet posted...
Oh and we wouldn't have to see New Day come out with cereal and pancakes any longer. 


Ok while I'm agaist these changes as said earlier but no more new day is a bonus
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GamingVet 1 day ago#32
Yea but those rankings were just arbitrary. I'm talking about every win or loss is calculated, acknowledged and played into title shots opportunities.

Now someone just decides they want a shot and bam, there they are. Maybe they have some thrown together match but it feels cheap.

I like when they do tournaments but even those don't always make sense who is in them.
Tournaments, win loss records, taking the matches “seriously” with less theatrics and interference, title matches going to people with a positive record and work rate included in the choosing of contenders, sounds good to me. 

Frankly WWE should have done this sooner. 

They can leave Raw doing all the cartoon characters throwing pancakes, “demons” sacrificing people, couples that always, always deal with cheating, Tag teams that always, always turn on each other at some point, top contenders based solely on looks, and all that other nonsense can stay on what would ultimately end up being the B-show.

Let’s not forget the ever condescending “contract signing” that even the Kayfabe writing mocks as always ending up in violence.
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I am completely and 1000% on board with this.
How is less comedy a win? Ya'll missed the AE didn't you?

Americans know wrestling is fake...less wrestling the better.
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darkrain108 posted...
How is less comedy a win? Ya'll missed the AE didn't you?

Americans know wrestling is fake...less wrestling the better.

Have you been watching wrestling since the attitude era or particularly the PG era? It’s horrendous. The WWE has an amazing talent pool whom should be utilized.
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How is less comedy a win? Ya'll missed the AE didn't you?

Americans know wrestling is fake...less wrestling the better.


I was there For 100% of the attitude era. If you think that would work again today, you’re delusional. Not only would it be mocked for copying the original attitude era on a daily basis, certifying it as unoriginal, the modern politically over sensitive PC era would rip it to shreds. It would be so censored, it would be a muppet show with puppets smoking marijuana and mocking Trump. 

Everyone knows wrestling is fake. You sound stupid even mentioning it. Wrestling can be enjoyed as the performance art that it is. What it takes is actual talented performers putting on showstopper matches. NXT does it almost every night. NJPW does it almost every night. Only the Vince run shows, the ones with the most money, continue to insult the average person’s intelligence and make wrestling more about theatrics than actual in ring performance. We could have had a wrestling renaissance a few years ago with NXT drawing millions of viewers and the WWE network allowing everyone to watch it, instead, NXT went from being the minors, to a reality show, to the minors, to the show everyone cared about, back to the minors again.
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I misread that as "Wants Kramer hired as commentator" and not Cormier and got confused for a second there.
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codey 1 day ago#40
Cormier is a great UFC commentator and a huge wrestling fan, so I can only see this being a good thing.
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jimbiz 1 day ago#41
Casuals marks can stick with their Raw crap and forced humour, Smackdown seems to be the show to watch if this Fox changes does work out
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ssjmole posted...
new day is a bonus

UraRenge2005 posted...
darkrain108 posted...
How is less comedy a win? Ya'll missed the AE didn't you?

Americans know wrestling is fake...less wrestling the better.


I was there For 100% of the attitude era. If you think that would work again today, you’re delusional. Not only would it be mocked for copying the original attitude era on a daily basis, certifying it as unoriginal, the modern politically over sensitive PC era would rip it to shreds. It would be so censored, it would be a muppet show with puppets smoking marijuana and mocking Trump. 

Everyone knows wrestling is fake. You sound stupid even mentioning it. Wrestling can be enjoyed as the performance art that it is. What it takes is actual talented performers putting on showstopper matches. NXT does it almost every night. NJPW does it almost every night. Only the Vince run shows, the ones with the most money, continue to insult the average person’s intelligence and make wrestling more about theatrics than actual in ring performance. We could have had a wrestling renaissance a few years ago with NXT drawing millions of viewers and the WWE network allowing everyone to watch it, instead, NXT went from being the minors, to a reality show, to the minors, to the show everyone cared about, back to the minors again.


How to explain the CW's then? They have minimal theatrics and excellent matches...no one watches. People also actively leave during tapings.

Not saying repeat the AE, but getting rid of fun segments like Truth TV isn't really the way IMO.

Wrestling without theatrics is just bad fighting. Like that Ricochet vs. Osprey match a year or so back....just no selling stuntmen.
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this Is such fake news but you can’t take promos out

The wrestlers need issues. No one cares about matches, they want stories

Not a god damn one of you got into wrestling because of the wrestling
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ssjmole 1 day ago#46
ghettorevival posted...
ssjmole posted...
new day is a bonus



Actual quote

ssjmole posted...
no more new day is a bonus
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lilJoe457 1 day ago#48
The attitude era didn't work because of what they did. It worked because they had 3 huge mega stars in Austin rock and Vince. 

Now being tv 14 allowed those guys to prosper easier but the rest of the show being the "attitude era" didn't matter. 

People who think more wrestling and less promos means no storylines are completely unaware. New Japan has more logical storylines than WWE. They feud over real shit. They don't feud because two guys bumped into each other backstage and now they're very angry. Lol. 

Less promos doesn't mean no promos. Less promos means no fucking drawn out 20 minute promos. Every time someone cuts a 15 minute promo on raw even back then it could be condensed. My one issue with attitude era and ruthless aggression was every week they'd cut the same promo and it wasn't necessary. All of HHHs promos where he talks about being the game and the best could be done in 5 minutes not 22. 

Making it sports like will make the matches matter in theory. People wanna watch stuff where things matter and the stuff they're watching feels important. The reason so many fans often aren't into random matches is cause they don't mean anything.
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Q Silas 1 day ago#49
Not that I disagree with Foxs sentiments but did they not know what they were getting into when they signed this deal?
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    C Redfield 1 day ago#51
    King_Hellebuyck posted...
    Seems weird to pay a shitload of money to get a show just to tell them to change the show.


    You are watching Fox. 

    The $ was so big I forgot it's Fox.

    Fox the network that takes good ideas and throws them in a wood chipper.
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    pycho316 1 day ago#53
    Flammableghost posted...
    I hope they don't chase Cormier out of the main brand like they did Ranallo


    Cormier would fucking destroy JBL if he pulled any shit with him. 

    Along with pretty much anyone else on the roster.
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    I was there For 100% of the attitude era. If you think that would work again today, you’re delusional. Not only would it be mocked for copying the original attitude era on a daily basis, certifying it as unoriginal, the modern politically over sensitive PC era would rip it to shreds. It would be so censored, it would be a muppet show with puppets smoking marijuana and mocking Trump. 

    Everyone knows wrestling is fake. You sound stupid even mentioning it. Wrestling can be enjoyed as the performance art that it is. What it takes is actual talented performers putting on showstopper matches. NXT does it almost every night. NJPW does it almost every night. Only the Vince run shows, the ones with the most money, continue to insult the average person’s intelligence and make wrestling more about theatrics than actual in ring performance. We could have had a wrestling renaissance a few years ago with NXT drawing millions of viewers and the WWE network allowing everyone to watch it, instead, NXT went from being the minors, to a reality show, to the minors, to the show everyone cared about, back to the minors again.


    How to explain the CW's then? They have minimal theatrics and excellent matches...no one watches. People also actively leave during tapings.

    Not saying repeat the AE, but getting rid of fun segments like Truth TV isn't really the way IMO.

    Wrestling without theatrics is just bad fighting. Like that Ricochet vs. Osprey match a year or so back....just no selling stuntmen.


    The cruiserweights are unwatched because 95% of them aren’t promoted. No one knows who they are. No one cares because they’ve never been given anything to care about. Give them some substance, make a tournament. Let them show their personality and talent. If they suck, the cruiserweights deserve a slow death. 

    There’s a big difference between promoting and theatrics. Interviews, pep talks, and backstage interactions that aren’t food fights and Stephanie immasculating someone are fine. Once you start having 20 minute segments about Kurt Angle’ shirt and hat, people are changing the channel too, or tuning out completely. Wrestlers with “Shows” is also really stupid. I enjoy watching Carmella dance in heels in a mini skirt as much as the next guy, but it doesn’t change the fact that it’s stupid and people are cringing. 

    As for the “no selling stuntmen” comment... I mean, if that isn’t your kind of match, fine. There’s room for more than one kind of wrestling match and one kind of wrestler. The fun of wrestling is to see what we get when people with different styles get paired. If the match is good, we want more. If the match sucks, have less of them.
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    Flammableghost posted...
    I hope they don't chase Cormier out of the main brand like they did Ranallo


    Cormier would fucking destroy JBL if he pulled any shit with him. 

    Along with pretty much anyone else on the roster.


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    lilant55 1 day ago#56
    Cormier is an actual wrestler although had to drop out from the Olympics. He's light Heavyweight and Heavyweight champ of UFC. Only lost to Jon Jones who's been busted twice in drug test against Daniel.

    Daniel is also a huge pro wrestling fan and color commentary for UFC and had host FS1 sports desk for the UFC. He'll be fighting on November 3rd in the main event.

    That's for anyone who doesn't know who he is.

    Also I would see how it goes if WWE cut some of their trash out. Talk shows are trash. Dancing has always been trash, backstage promo cut down for more wrestling would be great too.
    Grischnak posted...
    How much does Cormier like WWE? I know Chael is like a real big fan and he could probably do commentary. I don't know how much Cormier actually knows though.


    Cormier is a bigger fan than Chael.
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    lilJoe457 1 day ago#61
    I mean fox has to ask them to do something. It's their Network and hey it's not like what WWE is currently doing is working. If smackdown got over 4 million viewers right now because the new day talks about pancakes there's nothing they can say. 

    But raw and SmackDown are very close to dipping below 2 million. In order to justify smackdown on fox they have to get to at least 3 million. And that means something has to change because what's currently happening on both shows isn't increasing viewers. In fact they're losing them at a tremendous amount.
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