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- In an interview with ESPN's Cheap Heat podcast, Alexa Bliss claimed that she has real-life heat with Sasha Banks. Here is what she said: “I’ve always been the person to say ‘business is business, personal is personal.’ I will never let my personal feelings about somebody get in the way of business. I want to have a productive match, I want to have a safe match, I want to have a great match; I want to take this company to the next level with our women with this WWE women’s revolution. I’ve seen the things she said about me. If that’s how she feels, that’s fine. But we know that we put it to the side and have a productive, professional match because that’s what it’s all about.”
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Sasha sounds like a messed up b****
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Maybe they should cool off with some slime
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I don't understand this heat or what it's about, but I think Sasha has a chip on her shoulder.
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WarGreymon77 posted...
I don't understand this heat or what it's about, but I think Sasha has a chip on her shoulder. Sasha contends Alexa is a fraud because she didn't know which of the Hardy Boyz was Matt and which one was Jeff. She wasn't familiar enough to know who was who in that team. On one side, knowing (or not knowing) who certain wrestlers are doesn't prevent Alexa from doing her job. On the other side, outsiders who show no knowledge of the business (like Alexa) come across in a pretty bad light, like she couldn't care less about the business except for that it cuts her a check.
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No one likes Alexa because she's can't wrestle for s***.
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Who cares? I don't care if the teenager behind the counter if KFC knows chicken just that he doesn't mess up my order.
Same thing in wrestling. I don't care if you've been a life a long fan or are just breaking in as long as you entertain.
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Alexa is trying to "take women to the next level?"
Really? With all her botching and boring matches, what she seems to be doing is causing the women's division to regress >___>
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It's not like y'all really care about the history of wrestling or the wrestlers for that matter since they have no f***ing clue on psychology and selling. But oh boy look at the shiny flips so we call them better workers. No. They're not. Just good at not selling.
Anyway who cares Alexa is actually good at the business and that's what matters.
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There was probably a man involved back in their NXT days lets be real
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jjonc2003 posted...
There was probably a man involved back in their NXT days lets be real Well, there were those Alexa/ring rat rumors....
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Sasha Banks was probably the one anonymously spreading filthy rumours about Alexa Bliss in the PC.
They don't even follow each other on social media. Dana Brooke also said that neither girl will acknowledge eachother's presence when they're in the same room
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Alexa Bliss is just there for the money and fame, and i expect her to leave in a few years like so many of the other women before her.
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Chris84H posted...
Alexa Bliss is just there for the money and fame, and i expect her to leave in a few years like so many of the other women before her. Why else does someone become a pro wrestler? Is Sasha really mad everyone isn't a giant nerd like her?
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If you seriously think most people who are pro wrestlers are just there for that your even more delusional than 187mike , most of them do it because they love wrestling and grow up been fans.
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Alexa Bliss wants to take the women's division to the next level...by regressing it to the worst of the Diva's division excess, being all looks and no talent, and not belonging within 50 feet of a wrestling ring.
Shut the f*** up, Alexa Bliss.
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They should kiss and be done with it.
I swear they used to be friends too.
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Chris84H posted...
If you seriously think most people who are pro wrestlers are just there for that your even more delusional than 187mike , most of them do it because they love wrestling and grow up been fans. Sure they do bro
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im sure Sasha legits hates Alexa Bliss as probably does most of the other women, Alexa gets pushed to moon while the others get s*** on.
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I hope Sasha leaves. Working for WWE is all about the money, only thing passion gets you is a waiver asking for your release so you can go back to working the indies.
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Scorsese2002 posted...
http://nodq.com/news/504827460.shtml Is this:    her idea of a great match and taking the company to the next level? Lmao
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Sasha Banks is a bully
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Chris84H posted...
im sure Sasha legits hates Alexa Bliss as probably does most of the other women, Alexa gets pushed to moon while the others get s*** on. This. These rocket pushes suck for the wwe |
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humptyrump posted...
Maybe they should cool off with some slime
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ZannoL posted...
No one likes Alexa because she's can't wrestle for s***. Neither could Ultimate Warrior apparently. Didn't stop him being liked by millions. Not sure what Sasha said but from what I've read in this topic alone, she sounds like an insecure mark who is trying to score brownie points with internet fans by knowing which Hardy Boy is which. Who cares? Is she supposed to know that Konnan was Max Moon as well? Wrestling is a business that requires strong characters and talkers to generate interest, something Sasha has neither of. I'm not the biggest Alexa fan in the world by any means, but anybody with a remote eye for talent can see that she has potential, and is easily a better talker than Sasha at this early stage in her career.
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KirbyMagicWand posted...
Scorsese2002 posted...http://nodq.com/news/504827460.shtml are we really gonna act like Sasha isn't a botch machine either? Rofl
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Heatseeker500 posted...
ZannoL posted...No one likes Alexa because she's can't wrestle for s***. Sasha has always been over with the crowd, so let's not pretend she doesn't generate interest. Has no character and not a great talker? Are you serious? Have you seen her as a heel at NXT? Even Alexa fans will concede that Sasha has character and mic skills. Sasha can also wrestle, which is something Alexa is horrendous at. You sound like a closet Alexa fan who is trying his best to defend Alexa.
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TashaMK posted...
Alexa Bliss wants to take the women's division to the next level...by regressing it to the worst of the Diva's division excess, being all looks and no talent, and not belonging within 50 feet of a wrestling ring. Shopaholic163 posted... Alexa is trying to "take women to the next level?"
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BudDupree48 posted...
Chris84H posted...im sure Sasha legits hates Alexa Bliss as probably does most of the other women, Alexa gets pushed to moon while the others get s*** on. Do they hate Charlotte, too? Becaue...
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ssjmole posted...
I don't care if the teenager behind the counter if KFC knows chicken just that he doesn't mess up my order. What?
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babyeatermax posted...
BudDupree48 posted...Chris84H posted...im sure Sasha legits hates Alexa Bliss as probably does most of the other women, Alexa gets pushed to moon while the others get s*** on. At least Charlotte can wrestle and believably beat someone in a fight. Can't say that for Alexa Bliss.
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Sasha Banks is acting like a comic book snob that needs to get over herself. WWE didn't sign her because she's an encyclopedia of all things WWE. WWE signed her because of her ability. Knowledge of WWE history is an asset but is it all that important? Talent scouts want people with the right look, character, athletic ability and mental toughness. If you don't have at least one of those things, you're cut.
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KirbyMagicWand posted...
Scorsese2002 posted...http://nodq.com/news/504827460.shtml To be fair, those two botches with Naomi were Naomi's fault. In the Rear View one Naomi didn't jump anywhere near high enough (which is sad when you're performing the move on f***ing 5 foot Alexa Bliss) and the split-legged moonsault she first didn't even bother to drag Alexa closer to the corner, then even with Alexa trying to roll into position she still didn't get enough distance off her launch.
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WWE needs to think ahead Sasha is a woman they can depend on to stay around if they don't keep s***ing on her,while Alexa Bliss on the other hand is 1 of them women like they push so hard before to only have leave after a few years.
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Who cares. Alexa is a great talker and cuts a great promo, something the women's division desperately needs. I could care less how she wrestles as long as she's passable.
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ZannoL posted...
No one likes Alexa because she's can't wrestle for s***. Everyone keeps saying this but I see no arguments towards why she can't wrestle. People just keep saying "she can't wrestle, duh" even though she barely ever botches. I swear, Alexa haters have nothing to add to their awful arguments.
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Seems like a petty excuse to dislike someone tbh, I mean wasn't Alexa a cheerleader before she became a wrestler? it's not surprising that she didn't know who the Hardys where if she worked in that particular industry.
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Sasha vs Alexa topic, so whichever you like you take their side and make all arguments in their favor
What's that, we can insert Naomi into this topic? Well I hate Naomi, and I know all there is to know about communication inside a wrestling ring, obviously those were her botches!
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I like both. It's sad that neither one of them can't get past the cattiness.
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oohahahah posted...
People think this isn't a work? lmao Most likely is. I just see don't see real hatred in today's WWE climate. People are probably too afraid to hate each other. But I wish it was real. Real heat makes for better tv.
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I can see where Sasha's coming from if that's truly the case: Guys like Kevin Nash piss me off for the same reason. But hell, lots of big stars from the 80s and 90s didn't grow up watching wrestling. Sting didn't know who Hulk Hogan was when he walked into Sting's gym, but I don't hold it against him.
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jjonc2003 posted...
are we really gonna act like Sasha isn't a botch machine either? Rofl People actually think Sasha doesn't botch? Lol, that's one of the main reasons why I call her Botcha Banks.
You're not funny and nobody likes you.
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SeamusOHassey posted...
jjonc2003 posted...are we really gonna act like Sasha isn't a botch machine either? Rofl I wonder what the main reason is...
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Because she's terrible.
You're not funny and nobody likes you.
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ZannoL posted...
Heatseeker500 posted...ZannoL posted...No one likes Alexa because she's can't wrestle for s***. Sasha is not a great talker (neither is Alexa but she's more coherent than Sasha is). If you think Sasha is a great talker you have incredibly low standards. As for her character, she wears lots of bling, calls herself "The Boss" and that's it. If she's "The Boss" then she's not a very good one in kayfabe considering she lost all her title defenses lol. She'd be the equivalent to Glass Joe in Punch-Out. At least with Alexa you can identify with what she's trying to portray herself as, which is a stuck-up, head cheerleader b****. It's not great but it's a base for something more with the Harley Quinn stuff etc. It's like saying Sami Zayn has a great character because he wears a flat cap and calls himself the "Underdog of the Underground" or whatever it is. For the record I did see Sasha in NXT, and while she was presented better as a heel that was mostly down to her matches, not her character development or her promos.
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Conflict posted...
ssjmole posted...I don't care if the teenager behind the counter if KFC knows chicken just that he doesn't mess up my order. @Conflict Pretty simple comparison here. What is confusing you?
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I'm not sure anyone has a character in WWE based on the ebbs and flows of what people find acceptable on this board. Seth does, Ambrose doesn't; AJ does, Jinder doesn't.
Like, we're all at our own whims, of course, and it can be hard to explain when you like performers sometimes. But everyone here ends up working backwards. AJ Styles (especially as a babyface) basically has no 'character' beyond 'guy who believes he is a good wrestler. But no one here ever says he doesn't have a character Meanwhile actual characters are written off as too gimmicky, or people with a nice balance (like sasha, IMO) are written off as not having a a character, even when compared to a one-note gimmick like Alexa Nobody matters, nothing makes sense, wrestling is silly and awesome and let's roll with it
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- Alexa Bliss claims that she has real-life heat with Sasha Banks
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- Alexa Bliss claims that she has real-life heat with Sasha Banks
Sasha Banks started it.Lucy in the Sky of Diamonds(edited 4 days ago)187mike posted...As long as your fav match isn't Melina vs Alicia Fox then you're good to go
It was actually a pretty good match.Heatseeker500 posted...Dude, you just proved my point in your post. It was her matches that got her over with the NXT crowd, because they're smarks who only care about match quality lol.
Riiiiiight. So she wasn't getting we want Sasha chants for the first 4 month she was on the main roster and she didn't get the 3rd biggest pop of the night only behind AJ Styles debuting and HHH returning to eliminate Roman Reigns at the Rumble? She didn't get the biggest pop of the night all 3 times she won the Women's title on RAW? It was only those smarks at Full Sail who popped big for Sasha during her 2015-2016 run, huh? Come on man.
Also as previously stated, Sasha may not be the best promo in the world (and I never claimed she was) nor does she have the most appealing character in the world (never claimed that either) but her character as a heel drew interest and was widely regarded as entertaining as f*** in NXT. Maybe not to you and we can differ in opinion there but objectively speaking the reactions she got, the general approval by critics and media she and her matches/programs with Bayley/Becky got, and the subsequent focus on women's wrestling that immediately followed tends to suggest she was money as a heel in NXT as I stated. Yeah, a big part of that was her matches but a big part of how good her matches were had a lot to do with how good of a heel Sasha was during the matches and the build up to the matches.
To be honest I wouldn't even really argue against your opinion if you weren't so prone hyperbole or so absolute in your backing of said hyperbole. Like not digging Sasha's act is cool. Different strokes. Not even seeing why people are so high on her is somewhat understandable if your preference leans to the Sable's and Sunny's of the wrestling industry and workrate just really isn't high on your list of qualities needed to be a great wrestler/sport's entertaininer/whatever you wanna call them. But to say she can barely string together a sentence? Really? Come on dude.
Also Sunny and Sable drew massive interest outside of wrestling? Did they? They were massively over within the wrestling bubble but neither crossed over in any real way. Sable was in Playboy yes, and yes, it was a huge seller but that was in large part due to wrestling fans and how popular wrestling was at hte time. There was nothing she did that indicated she was a draw outside of wrestling. She wasn't a movie star or TV star or anything like that during or after her stint in the WWF. In her peak with the WWF she starred like in an episode of Pacific Blue I think and then once she split she road her WWF fame for like half a year making some appearances on Stern and Conan (I think) before eventually heading right back into the wrestling bubble because that's where her actual fame came from. Within a year of leaving the WWF her main gig was being the on-screen CEO of Xcitement Wrestling Federation and then she went MIA until she came back the WWF in 2003.
Yes, wrestling was just watched by more people and more popular back then and yes, Sable probably was more over at her peak than Sasha was at her peak but Sable didn't transcend wrestling. The WWF popularity didn't fade or stop at all when Sable left the business. In fact after she left in 1999 was when the WWF pretty much peaked in terms of popularity. Not saying it was because she left that it peaked but I'm saying there's not really anything you can point to show that them losing her meant them losing the non-wrestling fans she supposedly "brought in".http://i.imgur.com/PPlFOrU.jpg
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Chris84H posted...
Alexa Bliss is just there for the money and fame, and i expect her to leave in a few years like so many of the other women before her.
Why else does someone become a pro wrestler? Is Sasha really mad everyone isn't a giant nerd like her?
Also many great talents weren't fans. Sting for example was never a fan. He has never seen one of his own matches.
Sasha's issue with Alexa wasn't because she wasn't a fan of wrestling growing up. Her issue seemed to be that she lied about it to portray herself as something she wasn't as a means to get ahead. In the above promo she flat out said that didn't really mind that Alexa wasn't a fan. She said a lot of people don't grow up fans but learn to love and respect the business and she's cool with that as long as they are genuine about it. Again, I'm not really sure how objectively that's a "holier than thou" or controversial take on things.http://i.imgur.com/PPlFOrU.jpg
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Heatseeker500 posted...
Wrestling is a business that requires strong characters and talkers to generate interest, something Sasha has neither of.
You'd have a point if the peak interest of women's wrestling didn't happen during and solely because of Sasha Bank's NXT Women's Championship run.
Like what are you even talking about? How does Sasha come off as an insecure mark by pointing out that someone claiming to have loved the wrestling business since she was little and using "idolizing" Matt Hardy as an example of this only for it to be revealed she doesn't know Matt from Jeff makes said person disingenuous? If that is true (and neither of us have any idea if it is or isn't) then that would absolutely make Alexa disingenuous and I can totally see how that would justifiably rub some people the wrong way.
Also, Sasha's babyface character is awful but to diminish what she was in NXT is asinine. Sasha Banks as a heel in NXT was flat out money and I'd love to know in what universe has Alexa as a heel character ever performed so expertly as a heel to the point where she made a little girl cry as well as turning the uber smark Full Sail crowd who generally cheers the heels against her like Sasha did here:
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Heatseeker500 posted...
Wrestling is a business that requires strong characters and talkers to generate interest, something Sasha has neither of.
You'd have a point if the peak interest of women's wrestling didn't happen during and solely because of Sasha Bank's NXT Women's Championship run.
Like what are you even talking about? How does Sasha come off as an insecure mark by pointing out that someone claiming to have loved the wrestling business since she was little and using "idolizing" Matt Hardy as an example of this only for it to be revealed she doesn't know Matt from Jeff makes said person disingenuous? If that is true (and neither of us have any idea if it is or isn't) then that would absolutely make Alexa disingenuous and I can totally see how that would justifiably rub some people the wrong way.
Also, Sasha's babyface character is awful but to diminish what she was in NXT is asinine. Sasha Banks as a heel in NXT was flat out money and I'd love to know in what universe has Alexa as a heel character ever performed so expertly as a heel to the point where she made a little girl cry as well as turning the uber smark Full Sail crowd who generally cheers the heels against her like Sasha did here:
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Riiiiiight. So she wasn't getting we want Sasha chants for the first 4 month she was on the main roster and she didn't get the 3rd biggest pop of the night only behind AJ Styles debuting and HHH returning to eliminate Roman Reigns at the Rumble? She didn't get the biggest pop of the night all 3 times she won the Women's title on RAW? It was only those smarks at Full Sail who popped big for Sasha during her 2015-2016 run, huh? Come on man.
Also as previously stated, Sasha may not be the best promo in the world (and I never claimed she was) nor does she have the most appealing character in the world (never claimed that either) but her character as a heel drew interest and was widely regarded as entertaining as f*** in NXT. Maybe not to you and we can differ in opinion there but objectively speaking the reactions she got, the general approval by critics and media she and her matches/programs with Bayley/Becky got, and the subsequent focus on women's wrestling that immediately followed tends to suggest she was money as a heel in NXT as I stated. Yeah, a big part of that was her matches but a big part of how good her matches were had a lot to do with how good of a heel Sasha was during the matches and the build up to the matches.
To be honest I wouldn't even really argue against your opinion if you weren't so prone hyperbole or so absolute in your backing of said hyperbole. Like not digging Sasha's act is cool. Different strokes. Not even seeing why people are so high on her is somewhat understandable if your preference leans to the Sable's and Sunny's of the wrestling industry and workrate just really isn't high on your list of qualities needed to be a great wrestler/sport's entertaininer/whatever you wanna call them. But to say she can barely string together a sentence? Really? Come on dude.
Also Sunny and Sable drew massive interest outside of wrestling? Did they? They were massively over within the wrestling bubble but neither crossed over in any real way. Sable was in Playboy yes, and yes, it was a huge seller but that was in large part due to wrestling fans and how popular wrestling was at hte time. There was nothing she did that indicated she was a draw outside of wrestling. She wasn't a movie star or TV star or anything like that during or after her stint in the WWF. In her peak with the WWF she starred like in an episode of Pacific Blue I think and then once she split she road her WWF fame for like half a year making some appearances on Stern and Conan (I think) before eventually heading right back into the wrestling bubble because that's where her actual fame came from. Within a year of leaving the WWF her main gig was being the on-screen CEO of Xcitement Wrestling Federation and then she went MIA until she came back the WWF in 2003.
Yes, wrestling was just watched by more people and more popular back then and yes, Sable probably was more over at her peak than Sasha was at her peak but Sable didn't transcend wrestling. The WWF popularity didn't fade or stop at all when Sable left the business. In fact after she left in 1999 was when the WWF pretty much peaked in terms of popularity. Not saying it was because she left that it peaked but I'm saying there's not really anything you can point to show that them losing her meant them losing the non-wrestling fans she supposedly "brought in".
How does Sasha getting "We want Sasha" chants prove my point wrong? WWE on the whole right now is a niche audience in the same vein as NXT dude. They care more about longer matches and work rate, which is why those same people want guys like Cesaro and Zayn to be higher up the card. Again, Sasha's matches put her on the map.
Basically you've admitted that I'm right but will continue to argue my point because I'm so "absolute" in how I express it. Good to know. Carry on.Man is like a piece of cheese...(edited 3 days ago)I really don't see how Alexa Bliss isn't helping the division. She's not the best wrestler, but she's easily the best heel and the best talker they have. And that's way more important.This is the water, and this is the well.Heatseeker500 posted...How does Sasha getting "We want Sasha" chants prove my point wrong?
I wasn't contesting that her match quality isn't the biggest factor in what got and keeps her over. I was contesting that her overness is not just limited to NXT and the "NXT crowd". This is after you claimed Sasha has none of the strengths to generate interest in the wrestling business (character/promo ability). That point is the one I countered by saying she's generated more interest in women's wrestling than anyone since Trish and posted evidence to back my claim which was mostly based on the popularity she got based on her matches. At which point you said her matches are all that got her over with the NXT crowd. Which isn't an actual counter to me pointing out that your initial claim was fallacious when it comes to what generates interest. Beyond that I disagree that it was only her matches that got her over in NXT. That's not the only thing that got her over IMO. The character based stuff and yes, some of her promos were what helped enhance her matches/feuds in NXT which lead to her getting as over as she did there.
Also, even though it should have to be said, the NXT crowd =/= the main roster crowd. Hence the distinction you made in your original counterpoint. Well at least initially. Apparently now you're trying to generalize them as all the same which is kinda transparent....but whatever. Here's the thing, if she was just over with the NXT crowd based on her matches alone (like Zayn and Cesaro) then why did it translate to the main roster (and didn't translate to the main roster for the likes of Zayn/Cesaro in a sustained way)? We've seen more cases than not that being over with the NXT crowd doesn't translate to being over with the main roster crowd. We've seen how match quality tends to dip on the main roster and thus being a tremendous worker doesn't tend to hold up when you're asked to tone it down and wrestle meaningless matches while being overexposed on TV in terribly written and scripted angles. Yet despite this all applying to Sasha she's still received all those excellent main roster reactions that I listed. Reactions Zayn and Cesaro haven't received on the main roster.
I guess I'll close in the same way you did just in case you don't want to read another one of my "essays". Basically you tried to diminish the popularity and reaction she got/gets as being the product of NXT, then pivoted into generalizing the main roster and NXT audience as the same despite there being a clear distinction, and now are claiming you were right and I was just arguing in circles because I'm actually paying attention to the stuff you're arguing and presenting my counterpoints accordingly while you've decided to be confrontational, condescending, and bust out the tired PWB arguing cliche of dismissing anything you don't like but is over as the fault of "smarks". Sad to hear. Carry on.http://i.imgur.com/PPlFOrU.jpg
Jena Frumes. That is all. #realtalkREAL-Talker posted...Heatseeker500 posted...
How does Sasha getting "We want Sasha" chants prove my point wrong?
I wasn't contesting that her match quality isn't the biggest factor in what got and keeps her over. I was contesting that her overness is not just limited to NXT and the "NXT crowd". You said her matches are all that got her over with the NXT crowd I disagree with that as well. That's not the only thing that got her over IMO. The character based stuff and yes, some of her promos were what helped enhance her matches/feuds in NXT which lead to her getting as over as she did. The NXT crowd =/= the main roster crowd. Hence the distinction you made. Well at least initially. Apparently now you're trying to generalize them as all the same which is kinda transparent....but whatever. Here's the thing, if she was just over with the NXT crowd based on her matches alone (like Zayn and Cesaro) then why did it translate to the main roster (and didn't translate to the main roster for the likes of Zayn/Cesaro in a sustained way)? We've seen more cases than not that being over with the NXT crowd doesn't translate to being over with the main roster crowd. We've seen how match quality tends to dip on the main roster. It's happened with Sasha. Yet again, despite this all applying to Sasha she received all those excellent main roster reactions that I listed. Reactions Zayn and Cesaro haven't received on the main roster.
Basically you tried to diminish the popularity and reaction she got/gets as being the product of NXT, then pivoted into generalizing the main roster and NXT audience as the same despite there being a clear distinction, and now are claiming you were right and I was just arguing in circles because I'm actually paying attention to the stuff you're arguing and presenting my counterpoints accordingly while you've decided to be confrontational, condescending, and bust out to the tired arguing cliche of dismissing anything you don't like but is over as the fault of "smarks". Sad to hear. Carry on.
I never tried to diminish the reaction she got at all. That was never part of my argument. The main roster crowd is the same as the NXT crowd for the most part except on a smaller scale. They still have the same mindset, hence where all the stupid chanting has came from etc. That is why people can debut without vignettes and get a pop, because at least half, if not 3/4 of the main roster audience also watch NXT. WWE's umbrella on the whole is a niche product, watched by hardcore fans who are largely familiar with indy wrestling and care more about that style than WWE's traditional style (hence why Jinder gets so much criticism). That's why characterization and promos have taken more of a backseat in 2017.
The point I made was that if she'd never had those matches in NXT that stood out, people wouldn't have been begging to have her on the main roster asap. It's the same thing with guys like Nakamura. People now immediately think of the matches he could have with everyone on the main roster as opposed to the promo interaction, feuds and storylines he could have, because those areas aren't what WWE currently pushes as their main priority these days. Alexa fits more into that mold of characterization and promos, as opposed to her work rate and technique in the ring.Man is like a piece of cheese...(edited 3 days ago)Heatseeker500 posted...I never tried to diminish the reaction she got at all. That was never part of my argument. The main roster crowd is the same as the NXT crowd for the most part except on a smaller scale.
Heatseeker500 posted...It was her matches that got her over with the NXT crowd, because they're smarks who only care about match quality lol. That's why the cruiserweights mattered at Full Sail. NXT is geared towards indy wrestling fans, which is why indy wrestlers show up without any fanfare or hype vignettes and get big pops.
Okay. So saying the reaction she got was based only on NXT smarks wasn't you trying to diminish her reaction despite said response (complete with a "lol" at the end of it) was made based on me stating she generated interest in wrestling? *sigh*. Yeah okay, let's go with that.
Also I love that you brought up cruiserweights. So tell me if NOW your stance is the crowds are the same in NXT and the main roster then why don't the cruiserweights matter on RAW? Why aren't they over like Sasha is? I mean the crowds are the same, right? They mattered at Full Sail, right? So why were they DOA from jump street on the main roster? The majority of the main roster fans are the same type of fans as those NXT smarks, right? At least let you tell it.http://i.imgur.com/PPlFOrU.jpg
Jena Frumes. That is all. #realtalk(edited 3 days ago)Also I don't think Jinder gets so much heat because he works a perfectly acceptable style that just isn't appreciated by the "niche WWE audience" who prefers the indy style. Those "indy smarks" would flip their lid if HBK came back today and wrestled the WWE style. They flipped their s*** when Taker would wrestle the WWE style (back when he was good). Ambrose and HHH wrestled a straight up WWE style match and it got universal praise. Cena's run with the US title was him wrestling the WWE style and it got universal praise.
The thing is you have to be good at wrestling and have good matches. Then people will appreciate it. Regardless of what style you work.http://i.imgur.com/PPlFOrU.jpg
Jena Frumes. That is all. #realtalkREAL-Talker posted...Heatseeker500 posted...
I never tried to diminish the reaction she got at all. That was never part of my argument. The main roster crowd is the same as the NXT crowd for the most part except on a smaller scale.
Heatseeker500 posted...It was her matches that got her over with the NXT crowd, because they're smarks who only care about match quality lol. That's why the cruiserweights mattered at Full Sail. NXT is geared towards indy wrestling fans, which is why indy wrestlers show up without any fanfare or hype vignettes and get big pops.
Okay. So saying the reaction she got was based only on NXT smarks wasn't you trying to diminish her reaction on when said response (complete with a "lol" at the end of it) was done so based on me stating she generated interest in wrestling? Also I love that you brought up cruiserweights. So tell me if NOW your stance is the crowds are the same in NXT and the main roster then why don't the cruiserweights matter on RAW? Why aren't they over like Sasha is? I mean the crowds are the same, right? They mattered at Full Sail, right? So why were the DOA from jump street on the main roster? The majority of the main roster fans are the same type of fans as those NXT smarks, right? At least let you tell it.
The cruiserweights don't matter on RAW because they're not given the presentation or hype they were at Full Sail. They're given purple ropes and an obligatory six-man tag with unenthusiastic commentary. Additionally their specific show airs after a 2-hour episode of Smackdown, which was the main attraction. Come on, surely you're smart enough to know that. By the time 205 starts, a portion of the crowd have left because they've already got what they came to see.
Nitro made them work because of where they were placed on the card, and because each one was made to look unique. They were all memorable.Man is like a piece of cheese...(edited 3 days ago)Heatseeker500 posted...The cruiserweights don't matter on RAW because they're not given the presentation or hype they were at Full Sail. They're given purple ropes and an obligatory six-man tag with unenthusiastic commentary. Additionally their specific show airs after a 2-hour episode of Smackdown, which was the main attraction. Come on, surely you're smart enough to know that.
Cruiserweights didn't matter on RAW from day 1. Long before their specific show was conceived or aired after a 2-hour episode of SDL. I'm smart enough to know both of those things. I'm also smart enough to know that when Sasha went to the main roster they paired her up with Naomi and Tamina in clearly the least relevant team of the Divas Revolution and then took her off RAW entirely for only sporadic appearances on Smackdown, Mani Event, and preshow (often times dark) matches at PPVs. Yet, despite not getting the presentation, screen time, or hype she got in NXT she continued getting big pops and the fans chanting her name.
So again, what's the difference?http://i.imgur.com/PPlFOrU.jpg
Jena Frumes. That is all. #realtalkREAL-Talker posted...Heatseeker500 posted...
The cruiserweights don't matter on RAW because they're not given the presentation or hype they were at Full Sail. They're given purple ropes and an obligatory six-man tag with unenthusiastic commentary. Additionally their specific show airs after a 2-hour episode of Smackdown, which was the main attraction. Come on, surely you're smart enough to know that.
Cruiserweights didn't matter on RAW from day 1. Long before their specific show was conceived or aired after a 2-hour episode of SDL. I'm smart enough to know both of those things. I'm also smart enough to know that when Sasha went to the main roster they paired her up with Naomi and Tamina in clearly the least relevant team of the Divas Revolution and then took her off RAW entirely for only sporadic appearances on Smackdown, Mani Event, and preshow (often times dark) matches at PPVs. Yet, despite not getting the presentation, screen time, or hype she got in NXT she continued getting big pops and the fans chanting her name.
So again, what's the difference?
This. LOL what the f***? None of the Cruiserweights meant a god damn thing from the motherf***ing jump on RAW. They were a piss break for the majority of the main roster crowd LOOOOOOOOOOOONG before 205 Live made it's debut. At this point Heatseeker is just arguing to be arguing. Comparing Sasha to the crusierweights is just flat out stupid as f***. Which is what happens when you rip off your entire identity as a wrestling fan as well as the bulk of your opinions from an out of touch ex-writer who's still stuck in 1997.http://i.imgur.com/2xD39N5.jpg http://pa1.narvii.com/5726/aebcff0328fb7ea07fc558be4029e54bb7fa8e1f_hq.gif
Lord M | NGG Original | Hawks | Falcons | BravesREAL-Talker posted...Heatseeker500 posted...
The cruiserweights don't matter on RAW because they're not given the presentation or hype they were at Full Sail. They're given purple ropes and an obligatory six-man tag with unenthusiastic commentary. Additionally their specific show airs after a 2-hour episode of Smackdown, which was the main attraction. Come on, surely you're smart enough to know that.
Cruiserweights didn't matter on RAW from day 1. Long before their specific show was conceived or aired after a 2-hour episode of SDL. I'm smart enough to know both of those things. I'm also smart enough to know that when Sasha went to the main roster they paired her up with Naomi and Tamina in clearly the least relevant team of the Divas Revolution and then took her off RAW entirely for only sporadic appearances on Smackdown, Mani Event, and preshow (often times dark) matches at PPVs. Yet, despite not getting the presentation, screen time, or hype she got in NXT she continued getting big pops and the fans chanting her name.
So again, what's the difference?
Sasha was presented as being more important than all of the cruiserweights. She was immediately inserted into a main storyline for the women (albeit the storyline sucked), whereas the cruiserweights were all inserted into multi-man matches every single week and given no individuality as a result (unless you want to include TJ Perkins throwing out a few nerdy references backstage). At Full Sail they got a chance to have the spotlight for themselves in singles matches that were presented as important, with enthusiastic commentary that made it sound important. You can't compare the cruiserweights with Sasha in terms of why she stayed relevant and they didn't.
HatchetandShank posted...REAL-Talker posted...
Heatseeker500 posted...
The cruiserweights don't matter on RAW because they're not given the presentation or hype they were at Full Sail. They're given purple ropes and an obligatory six-man tag with unenthusiastic commentary. Additionally their specific show airs after a 2-hour episode of Smackdown, which was the main attraction. Come on, surely you're smart enough to know that.
Cruiserweights didn't matter on RAW from day 1. Long before their specific show was conceived or aired after a 2-hour episode of SDL. I'm smart enough to know both of those things. I'm also smart enough to know that when Sasha went to the main roster they paired her up with Naomi and Tamina in clearly the least relevant team of the Divas Revolution and then took her off RAW entirely for only sporadic appearances on Smackdown, Mani Event, and preshow (often times dark) matches at PPVs. Yet, despite not getting the presentation, screen time, or hype she got in NXT she continued getting big pops and the fans chanting her name.
So again, what's the difference?
This. LOL what the f***? None of the Cruiserweights meant a god damn thing from the motherf***ing jump on RAW. They were a piss break for the majority of the main roster crowd LOOOOOOOOOOOONG before 205 Live made it's debut. At this point Heatseeker is just arguing to be arguing. Comparing Sasha to the crusierweights is just flat out stupid as f***. Which is what happens when you rip off your entire identity as a wrestling fan as well as the bulk of your opinions from an out of touch ex-writer who's still stuck in 1997.
You're completely clueless and I'm not wasting my time arguing with you. You have an axe to grind and will pick fault wherever you can...
or continue to argue about Russo while GIVING HIM YOUR MONEY. Hypocrite lol.Man is like a piece of cheese...(edited 3 days ago)Heatseeker500 posted...Sasha was presented as being more important than all of the cruiserweights. She was immediately inserted into a main storyline for the women (albeit the storyline sucked), whereas the cruiserweights were all inserted into multi-man matches every single week and given no individuality as a result (unless you want to include TJ Perkins throwing out a few nerdy references backstage). At Full Sail they got a chance to have the spotlight for themselves in singles matches that were presented as important, with enthusiastic commentary that made it sound important. You can't compare the cruiserweights with Sasha in terms of why she stayed relevant and they didn't.
I think you're revising history a bit here. I'm pretty sure the crusierweights were presented as a big coo for Stephanie and Mick during the early days of the brand split and they got vignettes, video packages, hype, "coming soon" promos on RAW. Also Sasha was literally thrown into multi-woman matches seemingly every week. That was the thing people hated most about the Divas Revolution. The women weren't given any individuality because they were pigeonholed into arbitrary teams and pitted against each other....in meaningless matches with no stakes. Sound familiar? Thing is Sasha wasn't even the captain of her team (Naomi was and Team B.A.D usually came out to Naomi's music)and was taken off the flagship show completely once they decided to focus on pushing Charlotte. Even when she made her big return at the Rumble she was placed immediately in a tag team program with Becky, then a multi-woman feud heading into Mania, before being taken off TV again for months. And still remained over as f***.
So yeah, I can most certainly compare her and the cruiserweights. Especially since you indirectly compared Sasha/Cruiserwights when using them together in your example of what it means to be over in NXT. Even more so since you tried to claim the NXT crowd and the WWE crowd are the same. You can't run away from that comparison bro. It doesn't work. You can't say:
Heatseeker500 posted...It was her matches that got her over with the NXT crowd, because they're smarks who only care about match quality lol. That's why the cruiserweights mattered at Full Sail. NXT is geared towards indy wrestling fans, which is why indy wrestlers show up without any fanfare or hype vignettes and get big pops.
Then say:
Heatseeker500 posted...The main roster crowd is the same as the NXT crowd for the most part except on a smaller scale. They still have the same mindset, hence where all the stupid chanting has came from etc. That is why people can debut without vignettes and get a pop, because at least half, if not 3/4 of the main roster audience also watch NXT. WWE's umbrella on the whole is a niche product, watched by hardcore fans who are largely familiar with indy wrestling and care more about that style than WWE's traditional style (hence why Jinder gets so much criticism).
And then try to argue:
Heatseeker500 posted...The cruiserweights don't matter on RAW because they're not given the presentation or hype they were at Full Sail.
At least not if you want to be consistent. And especially since Sasha wasn't given the same presentation or hype she got at Full Sail either. If they're the same audience then logic pretty much dictates the reactions should remain similar. Maybe not the exact same since you gave yourself some wiggle room with the whole "on a smaller scale" comment but the difference shouldn't be as massive as it is. Especially since the Cruiserweights DID get vignettes before coming to RAW. And hype. And an entire lit tournament that preceded it.http://i.imgur.com/PPlFOrU.jpg
Jena Frumes. That is all. #realtalk(edited 3 days ago)Sasha still had storylines that were a part of the main show and treated as a big deal because of the whole "women's revolution" crap. The cruiserweights were hyped and treated as something somewhat important for the first 2-3 weeks with the whole Perkins/Kendrick deal which fell flat because of poor writing. After that, they dropped off because the interest from management clearly dropped off, and the Full Sail presentation was never there from the start. This is coming from someone who really isn't bothered about the cruiserweight division at all, so I have no reason to try and "revise history" and say they were more than they actually were when they debuted on RAW. Under Vince McMahon, cruiserweight divisions have never been handled properly. Vince McMahon doesn't bother with NXT, which is why they were presented more appropriately.
If something is presented as being unimportant, the crowd won't give two s***s about it no matter who they are. The crowd who watched CWC were presented these cruiserweights in 15-20 minute singles matches, with backgrounds given on each person, as well as Mauro and Bryan on commentary putting all of them over like a million bucks, then on RAW the cruiserweights are given six man tags almost every week that last 5-10 minutes tops, with little to no background on who the people in the matches are, or any kind of context. They were used as filler not long after debuting and the crowd lost interest. Sasha was immediately higher up the card and treated as a major player in terms of how prominent she was. Vince was clearly more invested in her storyline than the cruiserweights. That's not so hard to understand.Man is like a piece of cheese...I understand perfectly what you're trying to say and what you're trying to do. I'm just saying your point is fallacious because it contradicts what you said earlier and ignores that pretty much everything you're saying was wrong with the cruiserweights on RAW more or less applies to Sasha when she made her debut on RAW as well. Your reasoning earlier wasn't the crusierweights were over in NXT because of the presentation, hype, or vignettes. It was they were over because the NXT crowd are indy smarks who eat up that sort of stuff. You said that. Not me. You even made it a point to say they eat that type of s*** up without the vignettes and promos. You did so to back up your point about how wrestling is all that matters with said crowd. Thus the insinuation is that presentation, back stories, and hype surrounding the tournament wasn't what mattered or matters in NXT. It's solely the wrestling. Which is why (according to you) Sasha was over on the main roster. Because the crowd in NXT and RAW are the same when it comes to their single minded focus on wrestling and her work in NXT got her over on the main roster due to the audience being the same. Again your words, not mine.
So again I ask, what's the difference? Obviously the wrestling is better in NXT so it makes sense that when THAT didn't translate to RAW that the hype dwindles for a worker. If that's your answer in regards to the cruiserweights then cool but again....that also applies to Sasha. None of her s*** on RAW f***ed with any of her s*** in NXT. She got 15 minutes at Unstoppable vs. Becky, 18 minutes at Brooklyn vs. Bayley, and 30 minutes at Respect vs. Bayley in the rematch. All of which were 4 star classics at least. On RAW she was getting 8 minute singles matches maybe once a month in ** or *** matches at best and the other times she either wasn't on TV or was in tag matches with Team BAD. And those tag matches weren't good. At all. They were worse than the "meaningless crusierweight matches" you referenced in your post attempting to make the distinction between why no one gave a f*** about the cruisers from day 1.
So again, what's the difference? Especially if the audience is the same. It's not the presentation either. In NXT she was presented as the gold standard for the division and a legit main event caliber talent. On the main roster she was viewed as 1 of 9 other women in the "revolution" angle before being pushed to the back burner in favor of Charlotte's push and Nikki's "record". It's not the push. She didn't win the women's title until over a year after she made her main roster debut and still, to my knowledge, doesn't have a signature singles PPV win. It's not even the focus she got. She didn't even get to wear her NXT Women's championship belt on the main roster. Or come out to her own music most of the time. Or again even have a singles feud until almost a year after she made her debut.
So again, your point wasn't hard too understand but it's flawed to hell and back. That's why I'm disagreeing with it. Not because it's too complicated for me to comprehend.http://i.imgur.com/PPlFOrU.jpg
Jena Frumes. That is all. #realtalk(edited 3 days ago)It's cute how Alexa Bliss keeps talking about her heat.geno_16 posted...To be fair, those two botches with Naomi were Naomi's fault. In the Rear View one Naomi didn't jump anywhere near high enough (which is sad when you're performing the move on f***ing 5 foot Alexa Bliss) and the split-legged moonsault she first didn't even bother to drag Alexa closer to the corner, then even with Alexa trying to roll into position she still didn't get enough distance off her launch.
Not really? Both look bad solely because of how Alexa took the moves (not in position, half-assed).http://www.warwithwords.com
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Except clearly it is too difficult to comprehend for you. I already told you the difference like three times, but clearly you have s*** reading comprehension and love a rant.
The cruiserweights weren't given the same kind of matches the fans could get into they saw at Full Sail, given that most of them love longer matches with clean finishes etc. The matches weren't treated as anything important like they were in CWC and they weren't given enough time to do what they did in the CWC. They were given six man tags almost every week until people got tired of them. It was filler. People were chanting they wanted Sasha because she was a constant on NXT for like 2 years, who would add to the women's matches. People were picturing the matches she could have with people on the main roster, nothing else. Additionally didn't she debut the RAW after Mania? Of course she'll get a louder reaction.
CWC was a one off during the summer and once they were announced to be debuting on RAW, people were interested, going as far as to say "RAW has won the brand split". Sasha was always presented like she mattered, and they invested in her and the other women more than they did the cruiserweights. The cruiserweights never were treated as important on RAW, and therefore it failed.
Another difference you can add to the list is that for the women, they have one division with an equivalent to the world championship, whereas the cruiserweights will always be bottom of the ladder for the males. If someone like Ibushi interrupted a Rollins promo at the start of RAW and challenged him to a match, do you not think the smarks would lose their s***? It all falls into the fact that the cruiserweight division can never be as important as other divisions, especially the women's division which is part of a feminist movement. The women get to main event shows and PPVs now, and they're part of the main card on WrestleMania (hell, they're on the poster for it) whereas the cruiserweights have effectively been passed off onto their own show. Their division is lower on the list of priorities and is therefore treated with less importance. Once you do that, the crowd lose interest sooner or later.
Look man, like I said show me something other than a top-tier Sasha match that got her over huge with the crowd like a great promo or a great non-wrestling segment in NXT. You've already admitted that you wouldn't be arguing my point if I wasn't so set in my ways, so if anyone is just arguing to argue, it's you not me. You know I'm right but just feel like digging your heels in by dancing around it with this whole cruiserweight argument.Man is like a piece of cheese...(edited 3 days ago)"Watch his/her nxt stuff" is the new "Watch his/her indy stuff"What Alexa said about the Hardys was dumb but it's still a weird thing to hold a grudge over, Alexa seems like a decent human being and even tho she was lying, it wasn't a malicious lie and I don't think that is a fair excuse to dislike someone.MUFC- The Religion.
Miami Dolphins: Blissfully succumb to the whirling blackness of eternal oblivionBaronNugget posted...What Alexa said about the Hardys was dumb but it's still a weird thing to hold a grudge over, Alexa seems like a decent human being and even tho she was lying, it wasn't a malicious lie and I don't think that is a fair excuse to dislike someone.
That was my whole point to start with lol. It's like who the hell cares except the overly-offended marks?Man is like a piece of cheese...BaronNugget posted...What Alexa said about the Hardys was dumb but it's still a weird thing to hold a grudge over, Alexa seems like a decent human being and even tho she was lying, it wasn't a malicious lie and I don't think that is a fair excuse to dislike someone.
I don't think her lying once about the Hardyz was what upset Sasha so much as what she was trying to accomplish with said lie and the fact that according to Sasha she got caught in multiple lies. It's literally right there in the clip that was posted. Most people tend to dislike liars in their workplace who use said lies to elevate or politic their way into positions of favor. Which again is pretty much what Sasha stated in the clip. Whether you choose to believe her or not is your call but it's not hard to comprehend what her beef is. All you have to is watch and listen. But s***ting on smarks is easier so you can just keep doing that too if that works for you.http://i.imgur.com/2xD39N5.jpg http://pa1.narvii.com/5726/aebcff0328fb7ea07fc558be4029e54bb7fa8e1f_hq.gif
Lord M | NGG Original | Hawks | Falcons | BravesNot disliking somebody because of a white lie isn't "s***ting on smarks"MUFC- The Religion.
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Lord M | NGG Original | Hawks | Falcons | BravesSasha Banks is mad that she has to share the spotlight with a prettier girl.
And its not like you have to be an encyclopedia for wrestling trivia to make it in the WWE. Looks, character and ability is what actually matters. Sasha Banks should know this.
Here she is complaining. Thats why WWE never gave her a proper reign as championLucy in the Sky of Diamonds(edited 3 days ago)Having met both Sasha and Alexa, I have a really hard time believing Alexa would actually be the cause of this. She's genuinely one of the nicest wrestlers I've met.Check out my entertainment blog!: www.heroicbiz.com
I discuss video games, comics, movies, and TV!PrivateBiscuit1 posted...Having met both Sasha and Alexa, I have a really hard time believing Alexa would actually be the cause of this. She's genuinely one of the nicest wrestlers I've met.
Hypothetically if Alexa was being genuine then all signs would point at Sasha just being a dick because of whatever insecurities she has. Didn't she piss off Goldust as soon as she got to the main roster? I'm sure they got into some Twitter thing where Goldust said she doesn't know as much as she thinks she does.Man is like a piece of cheese...Add this one to the list of successful positive and enlightening Sasha-Alexa topics over the past few monthsSecretary to the B0$$
http://i.imgur.com/jrvFxBS.gifHeatseeker500 posted...PrivateBiscuit1 posted...
Having met both Sasha and Alexa, I have a really hard time believing Alexa would actually be the cause of this. She's genuinely one of the nicest wrestlers I've met.
Hypothetically if Alexa was being genuine then all signs would point at Sasha just being a dick because of whatever insecurities she has. Didn't she piss off Goldust as soon as she got to the main roster? I'm sure they got into some Twitter thing where Goldust said she doesn't know as much as she thinks she does.
Like, Sasha was fine. She was nice. I have no complaints about her having met her.
But like, Alexa was the absolute nicest person, was able to joke around, and I witnessed her literally sprinting from the exit of the Columbus Convention Center back to the area they were having the NXT things at to take a picture with these kids, telling them she really needs to go because their bus is leaving, and sprinted all the way back. Like, that's probably the nicest thing I saw any of them do.
Although to add to this, any time Sasha has an interview where she talks about the fans, it seems to be kind of negative, which is unfortunate.Check out my entertainment blog!: www.heroicbiz.com
I discuss video games, comics, movies, and TV!Yeah f*** Sasha she sucks and she's a b**** I've been convinced now thank you this topicSecretary to the B0$$
http://i.imgur.com/jrvFxBS.gifPrivateBiscuit1 posted...But like, Alexa was the absolute nicest person, was able to joke around, and I witnessed her literally sprinting from the exit of the Columbus Convention Center back to the area they were having the NXT things at to take a picture with these kids, telling them she really needs to go because their bus is leaving, and sprinted all the way back. Like, that's probably the nicest thing I saw any of them do.
That's adorable
PrivateBiscuit1 posted...Although to add to this, any time Sasha has an interview where she talks about the fans, it seems to be kind of negative, which is unfortunate.
All I know is that Sasha Banks hates airport fans and is not afraid to show it. lol there was a photo of her with a fan and she looked sooooo mad! She even went on twitter to shame that fan. Can't really blame her for that though. How would you feel if fans or paparazzi invaded your space for photos when its early in the morning or late at night after a flight?Lucy in the Sky of Diamonds(edited 3 days ago)A feud between these two can't really be about the Hardy Boyz, can it? I mean, if this is true, if Sasha doesn't like Alexa because of some stupid **** like that, then as someone who likes Sasha a great deal, I've lost any respect I had for her.
I"m not even an Alexa fan, but giving her RL heat for that is weak af.Alexa said she love the Hardy Boyz but the pig did not even know who they where when they came back to WWE.Sasha also says Alexa is just there for the money and fame, go watch the video on youtube.Heatseeker500 posted...The cruiserweights weren't given the same kind of matches the fans could get into they saw at Full Sail
Neither was Sasha.
Heatseeker500 posted...The matches weren't treated as anything important like they were in CWC and they weren't given enough time to do what they did in the CWC.
Neither were Sasha's matches.
Heatseeker500 posted...They were given six man tags almost every week until people got tired of them. It was filler.
Like the Divas Revolution.
Heatseeker500 posted...People were chanting they wanted Sasha because she was a constant on NXT for like 2 years, who would add to the women's matches. People were picturing the matches she could have with people on the main roster, nothing else.
You literally just described pretty much what the appeal is for everyone who ever gets called up so thanks for stating the obvious without actually making a point.
Heatseeker500 posted...Additionally didn't she debut the RAW after Mania? Of course she'll get a louder reaction.
She didn't debut on the RAW after Mania. Oh.
Heatseeker500 posted...You know I'm right but just feel like digging your heels in by dancing around it with this whole cruiserweight argument.
We both know you don't even believe that. You can't even keep your arguments consistent and you still haven't addressed the whole Sasha generating more interest in women's wrestling than anyone since Trish Stratus after stating "Wrestling is a business that requires strong characters and talkers to generate interest, something Sasha has neither of".
It is what it is though.http://i.imgur.com/PPlFOrU.jpg
Jena Frumes. That is all. #realtalkshe debuted on a random raw in the middle of julySecretary to the B0$$
http://i.imgur.com/jrvFxBS.gifChris84H posted...Sasha also says Alexa is just there for the money and fame, go watch the video on youtube.
Sasha Banks should work for freeLucy in the Sky of Diamonds(edited 2 days ago)Chris84H posted...Sasha also says Alexa is just there for the money and fame
Doubt it. There are far better fields to go into if all you are interested in is money and fame.Pretty sure Alexa does a lot of working backstage for free, because she's not been push for her skill in ring that's for damn sure.Chris84H posted...Sasha also says Alexa is just there for the money and fame, go watch the video on youtube.
So what? If any of them aren't there to make money then they're marks, considering what they're doing to their bodies.
@REAL-Talker
It's like talking to a brick wall with you, man, seriously it's tiring. You're saying Sasha has generated more interest in women's wrestling than anyone since Trish, ok maybe she has, but less people are watching the product. Record lows. It's like she's in a room with 3 people and only 1 was taking notice of her but now she has gotten 2 people to take notice. A strong character/talker would open the door for more people to come in. She's generated interest among the hardcore fans who care more about matches over characters, promos and storylines. They're the ones who got the whole give divas a chance stuff going on Twitter because they wanted to see longer matches. Her matches got her over with the current crowd because it's a niche audience.
If it means you'll stop acting like a broken record then I'll rephrase myself, ok? To draw the masses and increase the fanbase, you need character and mic skills ala Hogan, Dusty, and Rock etc. I've told you this like a bajillion times, but again you are just trying to be awkward even though you have virtually already admitted I'm right. You're just being stubborn because it pains you too much to admit it.
Let it go already man, I'm bored of your s*** craic. Just take a breath and admit I'm right.Man is like a piece of cheese...(edited 2 days ago)@Heatseeker500 - Getting hardcore fans that invested and interested in women's wrestling is an accomplishment in itself that you're failing to grasp the implications of or even take into consideration.
"#GiveDivasAChance" didn't happen because hardcore fans just randomly out of nowhere began vocalizing a desire to see longer women's matches. Divas had been an afterthought for almost a decade prior to 2015. There were small flashes here and there but that level of demand from the hardcore fanbase for women's wrestling didn't really get started until when? February of 2015. What happened in February of 2015? The NXT women stole the show at Takeover Rival and had officially caught fire coming off of back to back stellar performances at REvolution/Rival and people began taking notice. All of a sudden there was a demand to see the women actually get time in the ring. All of a sudden for the first time ever "Women's wrestling" chants were breaking out. The demand for women's wrestling began trending on twitter. There was suddenly this big demand among the fanbase for legit matches and angles featuring women.
Those factors are why your analogy was just flat out stupid. A more appropriate analogy would be like a retail store being down in overall sales as a whole but then a new particular salesperson and/or sales team comes in and starts bringing in more money and customers for the appliances department than ever before. As a result the department goes from being one of the least demanded to one of the highest demanded and now there is larger chunk of your normal customer base than ever spending money on and wanting appliances. That's significant. Even if the business as a whole is down. If you have one person/department being the driving force behind expanding an aspect of the business in ways not seen ever that's not something to dismiss as inconsequential. You can't really fault said person/department for the store/brand being down as a whole. That's on the other departments failing to perform the way they used to. Sasha being as good as she was and performing like she did was actually bigger and more valuable than a "good character" who can cut "good promos" by a country mile.
Don't believe me? Well, AJ Lee was a strong character and talker. She didn't draw the same kind of interest in women's wrestling that Sasha and the horsewomen did. She didn't elevate the division. She didn't bring in a f***ton of casuals or get he die-hards in a place where they would not only accept women wrestling in the main event of a PPV but have it be arguably the most anticipated match of the night. The diehards liked her and thought she was hot but they weren't buying into her feuds and programs in a way that was making them care passionately about the belt or the division. Especially not when held up to what Sasha did. Nothing her character did or said made people care legitimately about women's wrestling like they did when Sasha became champion in NXT. Same goes for Alexa. And AJ was a better character and promo than Alexa. And a better worker. Alexa's current character was born at Takeover Unstoppable. That was in May of 2015. She was an afterthought and took a backseat to the horsewomen despite said character and promo skills being on display then. She didn't even move the needle when it came to generating interest. During the horsewomen's time in NXT and even after they left and she was put in the spotlight more and more. It was talented women who could wrestle being put on display as legit athletes that generated interest like never before. Not being a "wrestling character" who "could talk". Which was my point.
So, no, I don't think you're right and just won't admit it. I know you're wrong and am saying flatly that you acting like a douchebag for no reason doesn't make that any less true.http://i.imgur.com/PPlFOrU.jpg
Jena Frumes. That is all. #realtalkWhat a waste of time writing all that crap out. Hardcore fans have been wanting "better" wrestling for as long as wrestling has been going. Sasha didn't spark a change in fans' mindsets, she sparked a change in management actually deciding to run with it.
As far as AJ goes, she got elevated up the card lol. She was made GM and involved with the top guys in the company ffs.
Anyway, like I said I'm bored of your s*** craic so just let it go and let's move on, otherwise you might have to make two posts for your next essay.Man is like a piece of cheese...(edited 2 days ago)- Boards
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