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So, I mean, Roman sucks.... incredibly so.
So it's factual he's way below Bruno, Backlund, Andre, Macho Man, Flair, Bret, Yokozuna, HBK, Austin, The Rock, Brock Lesnar, Hunter, Angle, Batista, Cena, Bryan as total packages. But what about Nash and Hogan? Now Roman is a better wrestler than Nash, and better than American Hogan, and a far worse promo than both. Obviously Hogan is the bigger draw, as Diesel and Reigns are the two worst draws (by miles mind you) as the #1 guy. But in a combination of everything combined, was Diesel worse than Reigns, of course you have to go all the way to Hogan to find a worse overall guy? Or is Reigns himself in fact the worst #1 guy himself? (Note, I mean #1 according to the company, as in no way is Reigns actually the #1 guy currently, just as Luger never was despite the company saying he was)
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So are you saying Luger is better than Reigns? Or he wasn't #1?
Ramses number one, he puts the people all on fire
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Yeah, Hogan was so bad as the top guy he turned the wwf into a household name and made it more popular than it ever had been before
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Dynedux posted...
Yeah, Hogan was so bad as the top guy he turned the wwf into a household name and made it more popular than it ever had been before Also... TC forgot about Cena. |
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lol at the TC thinking Hogan was a bad #1. Probably a CM Punk fan and has a Christian poster.
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mrlowrider posted...
So are you saying Luger is better than Reigns? Or he wasn't #1? He was never #1.
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WarGreymon77 posted...
Dynedux posted...Yeah, Hogan was so bad as the top guy he turned the wwf into a household name and made it more popular than it ever had been before No I didn't. He is named right after Batista up there.
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EmDubyaSee posted...
mrlowrider posted...So are you saying Luger is better than Reigns? Or he wasn't #1? Lmao Literally stop posting
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babyeatermax posted...
Seth Rollins is the worst number one He wouldn't be if he was. But he was never #1.
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Dynedux posted...
EmDubyaSee posted...mrlowrider posted...So are you saying Luger is better than Reigns? Or he wasn't #1? You think Luger was #1 at any point? Care to say when?
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hanleYramirez02 posted...
Dean ambrose Never #1. Just having the belt doesn't make you #1. I guess you could argue Dean was #1 for like 2 weeks. But if you put Dean as #1. Then Finn has to be too. And he would be a day... so Yeah, Dean was never #1
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EmDubyaSee posted...
WarGreymon77 posted...Dynedux posted...Yeah, Hogan was so bad as the top guy he turned the wwf into a household name and made it more popular than it ever had been before Quit posting. Your opinions are invalid in thinking Hogan was a bad #1.
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EmDubyaSee posted...
Dynedux posted...EmDubyaSee posted...mrlowrider posted...So are you saying Luger is better than Reigns? Or he wasn't #1? The 6 months he was portrayed as top guy
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So what's that last paragraph? You saying reigns is in the company's eyes but not really and the same for Luger? And all those other #1s you listed that weren't number ones?
Your post is messy as fuck
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Dynedux posted...
Yeah, Hogan was so bad as the top guy he turned the wwf into a household name and made it more popular than it ever had been before Macho out drew him, and beat him in every metric except politics. And this is overall package. Hogan had one thing he was beyond great at (drawing, but again, Macho outdrew him as a face) and another he was very good at charisma/showmanship. (His promos as a whole sucked, but god he could deliver them) He was between bad to terrible in everything else.
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EmDubyaSee posted...
Dynedux posted...Yeah, Hogan was so bad as the top guy he turned the wwf into a household name and made it more popular than it ever had been before Nice proof
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mrlowrider posted...
So are you saying Luger is better than Reigns? Or he wasn't #1? I'll certainly take Luger over Reigns. |
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Is this whole post just you saying how much you hate hogan and reigns lol
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Skye Reynolds posted...
mrlowrider posted...So are you saying Luger is better than Reigns? Or he wasn't #1? That's silly but it's your right to be silly
Ramses number one, he puts the people all on fire
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EmDubyaSee posted...
Dynedux posted...Yeah, Hogan was so bad as the top guy he turned the wwf into a household name and made it more popular than it ever had been before And I assume you don't have stats for this cause you're clearly pulling this out of your ass.
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mrlowrider posted...
So what's that last paragraph? You saying reigns is in the company's eyes but not really and the same for Luger? And all those other #1s you listed that weren't number ones? Yes. The last paragraph is in fact saying in no way is Reigns actually #1, just as Luger never was. Despite the fact the company is/was begging for it. Everyone else I named 100% was #1, if only for a couple months, or in the case of Hogan.... way too many years. You can argue Taker was #1 for a couple months in 2002, with Rock gone, Austin gone, Lesnar being groomed. But there is an argument it was already Hunter. So I opted not to put him in.
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So you're holding them to the same standard--number one to the company but not good enough to actually deserve it--then questioning how Luger would be an answer here?
Ramses number one, he puts the people all on fire
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mrlowrider posted...
So you're holding them to the same standard--number one to the company but not good enough to actually deserve it--then questioning how Luger would be an answer here? I'm not saying they don't deserve it (though Reigns doesn't, you can argue Luger, why he was able to get over in NWA/WCW twice like a super nova but not WWF, I'll never know) I'm saying they very simply aren't.... Reigns doesn't sell the most merch, doesn't move tickets for house shows, and has destroyed ratings while having people quit the network and then say the reason is Roman... that is not #1 guy no matter how much Vince tries to pretend it is. I have no clue who the #1 guy is right now, maybe it's AJ, maybe it's Lesnar despite the fact he is gone 3/4 of the year, hell, maybe it's still Cena. But it is not remotely Roman.
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Then they were both flops despite their positioning as #1 guys
So Luger is still an answer And Luger was worse
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Doompa posted...
This TC is a IWC trainwreck.
He now exists in the darkness of deletion. Brother Nero is only a vessel of flesh that is empty on the inside. I deleted everything that made him special.
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Holy fucking shit. How clueless are you guys if you think Hogan was the worst number 1?
Do you know about wrestling TC? You can argue Hogan was the best number one. In. Ring. Work. Does. Not. Matter. For. WWE. Television. Charisma and character does. Something Roman doesn't have.
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Skye Reynolds posted...
mrlowrider posted...So are you saying Luger is better than Reigns? Or he wasn't #1? Lol
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Skye Reynolds posted...
Lex Luger was more entertaining than Roman Reigns. Not riding around in the Lex Express he wasn't
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To you
I think Luger was fucking terrible and reigns is pretty fucking good.
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lilJoe457 posted...
Holy fucking shit. How clueless are you guys if you think Hogan was the worst number 1? Yes it does you fricking Mark.... and if you believe it doesn't, tell me why the company (even before Hogan went racist) pushes HBK, Austin as the 2 best WWE guys ever (2 of the 4 best in ring on that list, the other being Bret who we know why he didn't get all his due, the other being DB who was #1 for some months only) and Flair as the best ever period. (The other guy in that too 5 for in ring technicians). Tell me why all the major Landmark 10 Manias were MEd by the best worker in the company at that time (Bret, Shawn and Benoit, Bryan). It's all about the complete package. That's why so many people say Flair is the best ever, that's why HBK is said like 10 times more than Bret as best ever despite the fact Bret probably was slightly better in the ring.... Shawn was better at everything else. He was more complete than Bret. Hogan and Reigns are the least complete on that list.
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Brandon_Jacobs posted...
Lex was infinitely better as a heel This is definitely true. But he did get over huge twice as a babyface in NWA/WCW.
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Brandon_Jacobs posted...
Skye Reynolds posted...Lex Luger was more entertaining than Roman Reigns. To be fair, I wasn't watching the WWE at that point. I might have tired of watching weekly updates of a guy traveling "this great country" in a bus. Just going by their ring work and respective characters, I find Luger more entertaining. Roman has that X-Pac problem where he's continuing to act and dress like a member of a group that is defunct. He shouldn't be coming out to the Shield's music. He shouldn't be wearing that vest. And he shouldn't be pumping his wrist like a shotgun. It's not cool. And the whole selling point on his character is that he can take tremendous abuse. But that just means he kicks out of a buncha finishers and that's no fun. It's passive and it's dull. |
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A promo is something that a guy performs. Or they "give" a promo, so to speak. It's not what they *are*.
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DarkHorseRequie posted...
A promo is something that a guy performs. Or they "give" a promo, so to speak. It's not what they *are*. While this is technically true. He is a better/worse/good/bad promo is completely accepted and constantly said in wrestling vernacular.
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Worst #1 was HHH since he begat Roman Reigns by banging the boss's daughter, and then helping to promote his friends (see Sheamus and Roman Reigns).
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MortimerBrewstr posted...
Worst #1 was HHH since he begat Roman Reigns by banging the boss's daughter, and then helping to promote his friends (see Sheamus and Roman Reigns). Roman is Vince. HHH has tried to push NXT, Mystico, Big E, Sheamus, Seth and Finn specifically, and maybe AJ.
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Luger never won a single title (not even tag or intercontinental) during his WWE stint, how do people seriously think he was #1 at any time?
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PunkRockGiik posted...
Luger never won a single title (not even tag or intercontinental) during his WWE stint, how do people seriously think he was #1 at any time? Some of us are old enough that we lived through it
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As the current chosen one, rains still lack the chosen one aura, especially with Joe right next to him.
But.......you think Hogan was bad? The fuck? Anyway rains has gotten better in-ring but he's a weak chosen one. But its partially Vince's fault as you gotta be either AJ-level in-ring or Joe-level on the mic to stand out. Brock, Strawman, K.O. and I guess New Day are the few things I care about. As for the worse, I'd say 03 HHH, but it can be said it was Brock then so Diesel. But even then, rains > Diesel
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This topic is shit. OP is a clueless casual.
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The only thing worse than diesel being #1 was Mable being groomed to be the next #1 guy at king of the ring
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At no point was Luger CLEARY number one.
In my eyes a true number one is winning more than one WM main event (on last) or a lengthly reign with a world title and you consistently closed most PPV's. I wouldn't even say Punk was ever #1 as his defenses were always in the middle of the card and Cena always closed. Joint possibly, but I wouldn't count that. How could Luger ever be #1 with Bret around? Sure he had the Lex express and slammed Yoko on that battleship, but the trigger was NEVER truly pulled. His greatest achievement was co-winner of a royal rumble. So I don't think Luger was number one.
It drops deep as it does in my breath/
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Luger's best moment was beating yokozuna via count out and celebrating like he had won the wwe title at summerslam
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Tris10 posted...At no point was Luger CLEARY number one.
In my eyes...
Well that's nice, in your eyes, but over here in realityNoctis 906atk - 813.793.244
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At no point was Luger CLEARY number one.
In my eyes...
Well that's nice, in your eyes, but over here in reality
I'll happily admit I'm wrong if you can give me the rough time frame he was number one without question.It drops deep as it does in my breath/
I never sleep, cus sleep is the cousin of death.....Post WM through the summer and into the winter of... 93 was it? 94? Whichever year he became Captain America. He was clearly built as the top guy, portrayed as the top guy, paraded like the top guy... Then Vince had the steroid trial and he shifted the companies public image to smaller more realistically framed guys, and the era of Hart beganNoctis 906atk - 813.793.244
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Luger never won a single title (not even tag or intercontinental) during his WWE stint, how do people seriously think he was #1 at any time?
Some of us are old enough that we lived through it
This. Although 1995 is better off forgotten{}Giants{}Knicks{}Isles{}Mets{}Dynedux posted...Post WM through the summer and into the winter of... 93 was it? 94? Whichever year he became Captain America. He was clearly built as the top guy, portrayed as the top guy, paraded like the top guy... Then Vince had the steroid trial and he shifted the companies public image to smaller more realistically framed guys, and the era of Hart began
I guess I'll eat my words. Despite never having won a title I guess by default he would be considered the top guy at that point.
I wouldn't put him on reigns level though. Reigns has achieved more.It drops deep as it does in my breath/
I never sleep, cus sleep is the cousin of death.....EmDubyaSee posted...mrlowrider posted...
So are you saying Luger is better than Reigns? Or he wasn't #1?
He was never #1.
In Vince's eyes he was until Vince realised that the WWF audience were NEVER gonna take to him like they did Bret at that time.I'll get back up for good this time and I ain't comin' down...Luger was definitely the #1 for the stretch when he first debuted as the America-loving guy in place of the narcissist. He was chasing Yoko for the belt at a time when Hogan had just left, Bret was feuding with his brother forever, and Taker was in Giant Gonzalez purgatory. Shawn was still in the IC scene, Savage was part timing it as a commentator, and nobody else was even close to the top of the card.
Realistically, the only guys who could be called the #1 were Luger & Bret, and Bret would not take back the top slot until the end of Mania 10. It was just for a few months, but Luger was the top guy for that stretch.Live action Hungry Hungry Hippos though, now that was a sport. ~Aeon AzuranBret/Owen didn't come to the fore until RR94, seeds planted at SVS93. And at that point Bret had Lawler in his face which didn't properly conclude for two years. (Lawler's arrest, which forced Shawn into the storyline as a substitute captain for the Knights)
Vince tried to push Luger as hard as he could but WWF fans were not buying him. Also the Dopey Countout Celebration at Summerslam sort of hurt him. His last hurrah was WMX.I'll get back up for good this time and I ain't comin' down...The fact that you consider Hogan as one of the overall worst top guys is absolutely hilarious.www.twitch.tv/badguymaddox
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You literally said Yokozuna was the total package. Foreign heel too fat to move and couldn't speak English in Kayfabe so couldn't do promos. Yes please more main events with him. Lolhttp://www.last.fm/user/snoochtonooch
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He's better than the bolded IMO and definitely better than Andre and Yokozuna no questions asked.http://www.warwithwords.com
Blade Forged in Darkness: An award-winning Fantasy Novel:http://www.amazon.com/dp/B01CE0TLLMDiesel is my pick for my least favorite babyface champion.
As bland as Roman is, he at least loses from time to time. Diesel went undefeated from August '94 to October '95. Ultimate Warrior did as well during the ten months that he was chapion, but Diesel is worse because of the rivalry with Sid.
After being undefeated for more than half a year, Diesel goes up against his villainous doppelganger... and clears all three matches over the course of the next three months. Like, what the hell? Diesel is due for a count out loss at that point and he sweeps a rivalry against a foe who has the same build, the same finisher, and a complimentary look? It's like, yeah, Nash is alright, but screw that title reign.Somebody give TC a bottle n put his ass to sleepYou don't have to sell drugs to live like you sell drugsYep, Diesel was boring as and only two good matches during his reign. First defence and his loss.I'll get back up for good this time and I ain't comin' down...Hardcore_Adult posted...Yep, Diesel was boring as and only two good matches during his reign. First defence and his loss.
WrestleMania was a good match too.Doompa posted...lol at the TC thinking Hogan was a bad #1. Probably a CM Punk fan and has a Christian poster.
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Gamefaqs: Home of mod-alts, shills, sock puppets, and mentally ill trollsEmDubyaSee posted...
So it's factual he's way below Bruno, Backlund, Andre, Macho Man, Flair, Bret, Yokozuna, HBK, Austin, The Rock, Brock Lesnar, Hunter, Angle, Batista, Cena, Bryan as total packages.
At no point were any of these guys number 1, except Flair if you count NWA.
And I love Yokozuna, but lol at Reigns being worse than Yokozuna.DarkDragon386 posted...EmDubyaSee posted...
So it's factual he's way below Bruno, Backlund, Andre, Macho Man, Flair, Bret, Yokozuna, HBK, Austin, The Rock, Brock Lesnar, Hunter, Angle, Batista, Cena, Bryan as total packages.
At no point were any of these guys number 1, except Flair if you count NWA.
And I love Yokozuna, but lol at Reigns being worse than Yokozuna.
HBK was definitely number one. But the rest you're right onRamses number one, he puts the people all on fire
https://imgur.com/a/S6BZ3I feel like they wanted Angle to be a #1, but that gimmick was never going to be anything besides a heel in the AE.I got blisters on my fingers!!!
Pink Floyd owns you all up in the face!DarkDragon386 posted...EmDubyaSee posted...
So it's factual he's way below Bruno, Backlund, Andre, Macho Man, Flair, Bret, Yokozuna, HBK, Austin, The Rock, Brock Lesnar, Hunter, Angle, Batista, Cena, Bryan as total packages.
At no point were any of these guys number 1, except Flair if you count NWA.
And I love Yokozuna, but lol at Reigns being worse than Yokozuna.
Brian was briefly number one. As was Batista. And HBK was for a decent stretch.
Savage kinda was. Kinda wasn'tHe now exists in the darkness of deletion. Brother Nero is only a vessel of flesh that is empty on the inside. I deleted everything that made him special.Reigns has been a lot better lately. People only hate him because he's #1. They always hate the #1Currently: Super Sm4sh Bros, Legend of Zelda BotW/ALBW, Pokemon Sun, Pooch & Yoshi's Wooly World, Bomberman R, Mario Kart 8 Deluxe, MHOmega, WWE 2K17Assassin2713 posted...Reigns has been a lot better lately. People only hate him because he's #1. They always hate the #1
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