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Former WWE writer Kevin Eck recently appeared on Wade Keller’s podcast and talked about how Baron Corbin needs to deliver in the match against John Cena at Summerslam. Eck recalled his time in WWE and discussed how talents are judged based on their performances with Cena: “Cena will be very honest to his assessment of you. Dolph Ziggler’s the first guy that comes to mind, when they had a singles program together, in the beginning, John was all for it. John wanted to work with Dolph. And they did the house show loop together and as the heel, the heel traditionally calls the matches and John was letting Dolph call the matches and he wasn’t impressed.” “And apparently John gave his assessment to Vince of Dolph and I think that sort of played into Vince’s thoughts already about Dolph and once that program ended it ended rather abruptly because Vince told us in a booking meeting one day: ‘God, I think we’re doing a disservice to John, this is bringing John down’ and so Dolph was moved out of that program.”
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DeathMagnetic80 posted...
Corbin is boned. I don't see John getting much of a match out of him. Could end up being the opposite. Cena can give Corbin a good review, as Corbin works a much slower style than Ziggler does, and would cater to Cena's style better. I'm sure Cena didn't love Ziggler flying all over the ring, while Cena was left trying to keep up. |
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I wasn't impressed with Ziggler either. Guy only new how to oversell moves and shake his a** everytime he entered. He wasn't anything special in the ring or on the mic, and never really evolved his character. He's overstayed his welcome.
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Well fair play to him for being honest about it, Dolph always felt destined to be in mid-card hell from the get go, even when he was world champion it always felt like he was a placeholder.
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This kinda sucks, Dolph is definitely meh now but at the time he was pretty amazing.
Maybe it's because Ziggler would try too hard? There were matches in which he'd hit John with like 4 finishers and still fall to one AA.
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darkus_f posted...
This kinda sucks, Dolph is definitely meh now but at the time he was pretty amazing.
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darkus_f posted...
This kinda sucks, Dolph is definitely meh now but at the time he was pretty amazing. wrestling isn’t about moves, at least as far as wwe is concerned, it’s about pacing, peaks and valleys and playing to the crowd. what i imagine left cena feeling unimpressed is ziggler’s tendency to rush through spots and not take his time, he’s v poor at dictating a pace and working as a heel. he’s better as a face because he can let the heel lead the match, that’s why he looked so good against the miz last year because the miz, despite not being anywhere near as athletic or as flashy as dolph, is much better at dictating a pace and working a crowd. |
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Ziggler was a tremendous worker for a while there. Feel like he got left behind once they started hiring elite indie talent though. He would have been like a top 3 or top 5 worker in the company at one time, but now I'm not sure he's top 15. Haven't really put much thought into who is better though.
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Man f*** Cena
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Cena was right about Dolph.
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You guys are some flip flopping WWE stans. You all loved Ziggler back then, now suddenly "Cena waz rite about Ziggler"
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I listened to this this morning on the way into work. Eck also pointed out how the original plan in 2014 was to have Bryan(well not Bryan, according to Eck, but Batista's return flopped obviously) was to win the belt at Mania but not to be a long term champ, as Vince was never sold on him. He was to hold the belt until SummerSlam and drop it to Lesnar, who would then hold it to Mania 31 and drop it to Roman. And supposedly when they heard Bryan was hurt and they had to hot shot onto Cena, Vince was more excited because "Cena/Lesnar was a bigger main event". Which, I mean is probably true, but at the time when Bryan was white hot and Lesnar was riding the momentum of pinning Taker I still think it'd be a hell of a lot more exciting.
It still really sucks on how close we were to Lesnar/Bryan and how awesome that "David vs Goliath" storyline could have been told. |
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The Great Muta 22 posted...
It still really sucks on how close we were to Lesnar/Bryan and how awesome that "David vs Goliath" storyline could have been told. It's really interesting to think how different the reaction to that match would've been had Lesnar squashed the most beloved guy here as opposed to the most hated one. Although given how things turned out for Bryan, it was probably for the best that it didn't happen.
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MK9_Prodigy posted...
So Cena burys another talent that could have shook up the main event and been entertaining. Not surprised. This guy is worse than prime Hogan rofl
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The Great Muta 22 posted...
I listened to this this morning on the way into work. Eck also pointed out how the original plan in 2014 was to have Bryan(well not Bryan, according to Eck, but Batista's return flopped obviously) was to win the belt at Mania but not to be a long term champ, as Vince was never sold on him. He was to hold the belt until SummerSlam and drop it to Lesnar, who would then hold it to Mania 31 and drop it to Roman. And supposedly when they heard Bryan was hurt and they had to hot shot onto Cena, Vince was more excited because "Cena/Lesnar was a bigger main event". Which, I mean is probably true, but at the time when Bryan was white hot and Lesnar was riding the momentum of pinning Taker I still think it'd be a hell of a lot more exciting. What do you mean awesome? Bryan would've gotten squashed like Cena. |
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Stover46 posted...
The Great Muta 22 posted...I listened to this this morning on the way into work. Eck also pointed out how the original plan in 2014 was to have Bryan(well not Bryan, according to Eck, but Batista's return flopped obviously) was to win the belt at Mania but not to be a long term champ, as Vince was never sold on him. He was to hold the belt until SummerSlam and drop it to Lesnar, who would then hold it to Mania 31 and drop it to Roman. And supposedly when they heard Bryan was hurt and they had to hot shot onto Cena, Vince was more excited because "Cena/Lesnar was a bigger main event". Which, I mean is probably true, but at the time when Bryan was white hot and Lesnar was riding the momentum of pinning Taker I still think it'd be a hell of a lot more exciting. Bryan's comebacks are more interesting
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WinnerXYZ posted...
The Great Muta 22 posted...It still really sucks on how close we were to Lesnar/Bryan and how awesome that "David vs Goliath" storyline could have been told. Difference in reaction would have been entirely justified though
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XIII_rocks posted...
Stover46 posted...The Great Muta 22 posted...I listened to this this morning on the way into work. Eck also pointed out how the original plan in 2014 was to have Bryan(well not Bryan, according to Eck, but Batista's return flopped obviously) was to win the belt at Mania but not to be a long term champ, as Vince was never sold on him. He was to hold the belt until SummerSlam and drop it to Lesnar, who would then hold it to Mania 31 and drop it to Roman. And supposedly when they heard Bryan was hurt and they had to hot shot onto Cena, Vince was more excited because "Cena/Lesnar was a bigger main event". Which, I mean is probably true, but at the time when Bryan was white hot and Lesnar was riding the momentum of pinning Taker I still think it'd be a hell of a lot more exciting. I don't think we'd have gotten a comeback. He'd have been Suplex City squashed since Vince doesn't see him as a big deal. They'd have the NoC rematch, and he'd have lost cleanly there too. Vince doesn't see him as a draw, so I doubt he'd be protected in the rematch like Cena was The only way I'd see them having a competitive match was if Brock fought for it to happen, but Vince was convinced on having Brock be the unstoppable monster at that point. A Seth/Bryan/Brock Triple Threat would be amazing though, but I doubt Bryan would still be in the ME picture by then |
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WinnerXYZ posted...
The Great Muta 22 posted...It still really sucks on how close we were to Lesnar/Bryan and how awesome that "David vs Goliath" storyline could have been told. Brock would've been a monster heel and gotten the reaction of a monster heel |
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Stover46 posted...
XIII_rocks posted...Stover46 posted...The Great Muta 22 posted...I listened to this this morning on the way into work. Eck also pointed out how the original plan in 2014 was to have Bryan(well not Bryan, according to Eck, but Batista's return flopped obviously) was to win the belt at Mania but not to be a long term champ, as Vince was never sold on him. He was to hold the belt until SummerSlam and drop it to Lesnar, who would then hold it to Mania 31 and drop it to Roman. And supposedly when they heard Bryan was hurt and they had to hot shot onto Cena, Vince was more excited because "Cena/Lesnar was a bigger main event". Which, I mean is probably true, but at the time when Bryan was white hot and Lesnar was riding the momentum of pinning Taker I still think it'd be a hell of a lot more exciting. Bryan would have made comebacks within the match just like Cena did. You need a hope spot or two or the match loses all interest. And Bryan's comebacks are more athletic and fun. Lesnar would still have dominated the match and won handily. In the WM match with Lesnar, Reigns' comeback was great. I'd expect the same kind of entertainment from Bryan, who became a master of the super-athletic, intense face comeback in the final years of his career.
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Hardcore_Adult posted...
^ And this damn board would have been rooting for Brock. I would. I loved Bryan in ring but the whole "yes yes yes" thing and booking him like super Cena was so annoying it actually made me hate seeing him on TV and liked before he came to WWE. Which goes to show imo how someone is booked can make or break them in people's minds
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XIII_rocks posted...
Stover46 posted...The Great Muta 22 posted...I listened to this this morning on the way into work. Eck also pointed out how the original plan in 2014 was to have Bryan(well not Bryan, according to Eck, but Batista's return flopped obviously) was to win the belt at Mania but not to be a long term champ, as Vince was never sold on him. He was to hold the belt until SummerSlam and drop it to Lesnar, who would then hold it to Mania 31 and drop it to Roman. And supposedly when they heard Bryan was hurt and they had to hot shot onto Cena, Vince was more excited because "Cena/Lesnar was a bigger main event". Which, I mean is probably true, but at the time when Bryan was white hot and Lesnar was riding the momentum of pinning Taker I still think it'd be a hell of a lot more exciting. There wouldn't have been a comeback, no way would have Bryan gone over Brock just as he ended the streak.
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Scorsese2002 posted...
the heel traditionally calls the matches Since Cena never shuts up I think we can confirm that Cena has been a heel for a long time.
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BaronNugget posted...
XIII_rocks posted...Stover46 posted...The Great Muta 22 posted...I listened to this this morning on the way into work. Eck also pointed out how the original plan in 2014 was to have Bryan(well not Bryan, according to Eck, but Batista's return flopped obviously) was to win the belt at Mania but not to be a long term champ, as Vince was never sold on him. He was to hold the belt until SummerSlam and drop it to Lesnar, who would then hold it to Mania 31 and drop it to Roman. And supposedly when they heard Bryan was hurt and they had to hot shot onto Cena, Vince was more excited because "Cena/Lesnar was a bigger main event". Which, I mean is probably true, but at the time when Bryan was white hot and Lesnar was riding the momentum of pinning Taker I still think it'd be a hell of a lot more exciting. We're talking about hope spot comebacks, not Bryan winning the match. |
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Stover46 posted...
BaronNugget posted...XIII_rocks posted...Stover46 posted...The Great Muta 22 posted...I listened to this this morning on the way into work. Eck also pointed out how the original plan in 2014 was to have Bryan(well not Bryan, according to Eck, but Batista's return flopped obviously) was to win the belt at Mania but not to be a long term champ, as Vince was never sold on him. He was to hold the belt until SummerSlam and drop it to Lesnar, who would then hold it to Mania 31 and drop it to Roman. And supposedly when they heard Bryan was hurt and they had to hot shot onto Cena, Vince was more excited because "Cena/Lesnar was a bigger main event". Which, I mean is probably true, but at the time when Bryan was white hot and Lesnar was riding the momentum of pinning Taker I still think it'd be a hell of a lot more exciting. Well I mean, I was.
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XIII_rocks posted...
Difference in reaction would have been entirely justified though Stover46 posted... Brock would've been a monster heel and gotten the reaction of a monster heel You're both right. I was actually wondering if some of the people around here would've still eaten up Brock's whole "Suplex City" schtick had it started with a PWB favorite as opposed to the 2 most hated guys around here. I guess I could've worded it better.*shrugs*
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WinnerXYZ posted...
XIII_rocks posted...Difference in reaction would have been entirely justified though He'd be liked by some, but trolls would latch onto him and use him as a way to piss off Bryan fans |
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