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You people basically ask for boring television if "X vs X" doesnt happen on PPV, or at wrestlemania
Who cares when, would you rather be bored watching rehashed crap until then?
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Well, my problem is that most of the time the matches aren't that great. Take a look at Naka/Cena they didn't go half throttle even and next time they meet, the aura will not be the first time facing each other one.
However i was still entertained by the match so it worked and gave us a pretty good episode
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ninjabay posted...
Well, my problem is that most of the time the matches aren't that great. Take a look at Naka/Cena they didn't go half throttle even and next time they meet, the aura will not be the first time facing each other one. Agreed. The match probably would have been better on PPV. Also, it's bizarre that they give good matches away while they filled the last PPV with crap. |
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ninjabay posted...
next time they meet, the aura will not be the first time facing each other one ok but it wont matter
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A lot of people don't get the fact that it's not the wrestling that draws. It's the storyline that makes it worth watching. If they have a rematch with a legit story behind it'll be better than the basic story of two guys fighting over the chance for a title shot.
Anyone who disagrees with this is a wrestling fan. Not a WWE fan.
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Death_Effect posted...
A lot of people don't get the fact that it's not the wrestling that draws. It's the storyline that makes it worth watching. If they have a rematch with a legit story behind it'll be better than the basic story of two guys fighting over the chance for a title shot. Right. Austin fought HBK, The Rock, and Taker in 1997. His matches with them later were still a big deal.
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People need a REASON to stop-what-they're-doing-and-tune-the-fuck-in.
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You can argue if the match did a great number for SDL, in regards to Naks/Cena, but they practically pulled the same number from the week before.
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JimPean posted...
You can argue if the match did a great number for SDL, in regards to Naks/Cena, but they practically pulled the same number from the week before. The same as it would be if it was on ppv, except more people saw it
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Dynedux posted...
JimPean posted...You can argue if the match did a great number for SDL, in regards to Naks/Cena, but they practically pulled the same number from the week before. Not the same as the match would have more time, no commercial interruptions, and otherwise a selling point to push a few network numbers. Where's the money? |
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Nobody would have bought the network for Naka/Cena that wouldn't already buy it for whatever else is on the card. You'd be a delusional idiot to think otherwise
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You think holding Naka/Cena back for a ppv with no story between the two would bump their network subs? Sorry about your brain.
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I like how alternative is "well TV has to be garbage if you don't do dream matches on it". Lmao
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Also why pay for the network at that point?
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I mean, I agree with the premise of this topic but WWE has done a piss poor job with some of these matches.
Cena vs Nak had piss poor build, WWE just screamed dream match. First, no one but smarks give a shit about Nak. Why is it dream match? This wasn't CM Punk vs John Cena or Cena vs Styles. WWE were so arrogant about the way the marketed this match, as if Nak is some huge star and word of mouth alone would bring in huge ratings. Second, the commercials. They killed the flow of this match. Why did every match but this have split screen? The shitty divas tag match gets split screen during commercial breaks but Cena vs Nak doesn't? wtf.
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You don't think using TV to build the feud towards a match on a PPV instead wouldn't be an attraction to try to sell your product? Sorry about your mental capacity.
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I don't think people hate "dream" matches on free TV in general
They dislike it when those "dream" matches have basically no build up beyond at most a mention the week before, no real story between the guys, and generally no good reason to happen beyond filler. Raw and Smackdown have really good performers do matches together all the time, and it ends up making it feel stale because the ones that have build they recycle too much, and the fresher ones just kind of happen.
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It makes no sense to want the top matches on a 'PPV' when you can get it for free lol. That's just fans regurgitating what they've heard people from WWE on the Monday Night Wars documentary talk about in regards to Hogan/Goldberg, and now they have their booking caps on.
SD has a paper-thin roster thanks to the bland split, and they're trying to improve the ratings with something big for SummerSlam so there's no reason to not put it on SD. SD is already at a point where they can't do much else without it being a repeat of something because they've wasted all their avenues already with a lack of creativity and numbers.
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Heatseeker500 posted...
It makes no sense to want the top matches on a 'PPV' when you can get it for free lol. That's just fans regurgitating what they've heard people from WWE on the Monday Night Wars documentary talk about in regards to Hogan/Goldberg, and now they have their booking caps on. It makes no sense to have PPVs when you can do everything on TV for free <_<
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Don't get me wrong, Nak vs. Cena on SmackDown was good, but damn...if they knew Battleground was going to be as weak as it was, why not just put it on the PPV? Not only that, but Jinder and Nak would get an additional week of SummerSlam build.
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While I would generally agree to the statement that money matches would be saved for PPVs, its also key to remind people that Cena vs Punk at MITB destroyed whatever expectations people had from their free tv match.
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If you had of the idea of John Cena vs. Nakamura two years ago, you either think it will never exist or only at Wrestlemania for the WWE title. Expect now it did exist, on a Smackdown, two weeks before Summerslam, and the focus was the winner will face Jinder Mahal.
That dream match of America's biggest wrestler vs Japan's biggest wrestler suddenly feels underwhelming when Jinder Mahal is mentioned. Even if you needed Cena vs. Nakamura to draw people, throw Baron Corbin in and make it a triple threat. Save the singles for later with proper build up. |
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xOmniCloudx posted...
Heatseeker500 posted...It makes no sense to want the top matches on a 'PPV' when you can get it for free lol. That's just fans regurgitating what they've heard people from WWE on the Monday Night Wars documentary talk about in regards to Hogan/Goldberg, and now they have their booking caps on. It makes sense for WWE to do that, but why would fans rather pay for something than get it for free? They're just trying to sound like smart bookers.
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TV should be filled with storyline building segments/matches, with maybe one money match (like Nak/Cena) as the main event. The PPV should be filled with the best matches you can do with some segments in between to build the stories some more.
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KobeSystem posted...
TV should be filled with storyline building segments/matches, with maybe one money match (like Nak/Cena) as the main event. The PPV should be filled with the best matches you can do with some segments in between to build the stories some more. Can't argue with that one bit. If they focused more on character and story building on the weekly shows, implemented more hooks/cliffhangers, then more people would want to tune in and see the resolution to them the following week. That's episodic TV 101.
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wcw had a habit of doing this, their ppv buy rates absolutely tanked and it didnt really result in a boost in tv viewership either.
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yeah remember when wwf hotshotted the rock vs steve austin for the title the night after survivor series 98 on raw and it totally killed their wrestlemania main event five months later
hahaha oh no wait, fuck off with these topics
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The way I see it
There's no reason you can have a Great TV match followed by an EXCELLENT PPV encounter. Ever hear of the phrase "Raising the Bar"?
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Hardcore_Adult posted...
The way I see it "You've crossed the line. You're so far past the line, you can't even see it. The line is a dot to you!"
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Is Nakamura v Cena really a dream match? Like, I never wanted to see those two wrestle. If they do wrestle it was like aye... okay then... but outside of that... never begged for it.
A dream match is like AJ v Shawn HBK or something...
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I think it's the overall feeling that when you get the match on "free" shows, they (the performers) underperform.
Let's be real, which show has a higher chance of having a clean ending? I'm fairly certain most would put their money down on a PPV rather than a Smackdown. PPVs always have a sense of "completion" or clean ending feeling. We know at a PPV, they will at least try to give us the best match they can come up with. A Smackdown match is the building phase and you aren't supposed to get everything in it. You can build a dream match and fued without having a bell to bell singles match. It's been done 100s of times before and it can be done again. I'm not specifically talking about whether Nakamura or Cena was my dream match. I'm talking about any dream match in general. If it really IS a dream match for anyone, it needs to be teased and it needs a "big fight" aura. Belts help it too.
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dream matches on tv end in 1 or 2 ways. a screwy ending, or a disappointing "They barely tried"
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yeah why do even watch tv, they should save everything for Wrestlemania
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I agree with TC, what's the point of watching Raw and SDL if there isn't any big matches?
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Coming into this topic late but -TV ain't free.
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yeah what this topic needs is semantics
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At the end of the day it's bad business and one of the things that killed WCW. Without proper build-up 'dream matches' just become another match. Cena/Nakamura could have been built up as something special, a big fight, but instead it was given away without any real benefit to the company and no one is really going to want to see the rematch now if they decide to build it up later.
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ninja rabbit posted...
At the end of the day it's bad business and one of the things that killed WCW. Without proper build-up 'dream matches' just become another match. Cena/Nakamura could have been built up as something special, a big fight, but instead it was given away without any real benefit to the company and no one is really going to want to see the rematch now if they decide to build it up later. fucking bullshit |
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Heatseeker500 posted...
xOmniCloudx posted...Heatseeker500 posted...It makes no sense to want the top matches on a 'PPV' when you can get it for free lol. That's just fans regurgitating what they've heard people from WWE on the Monday Night Wars documentary talk about in regards to Hogan/Goldberg, and now they have their booking caps on. Because if we get everything for free, then there's no more company. That's not to say that giving away Cena/Nakamura for free will ruin WWE, of course not, it won't even be remembered a month after this. But all SDL the last month has proved is...spending money on WWE in general is a waste. Battleground was terrible and all the rematches ended up being better on free TV. We got better matchups...on free TV. Fans want good stuff on PPV so they can feel better spending their money. On top of that any PPV building just turns into a complete waste of time when you know it'll be trash, and all the matches will have a rematch on TV that will end up better than the PPV anyway. So you have a good 1-2 weeks of completely useless TV on top of all that.
Burn...let it all burn.
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yeah but realistically everyone that wants the network has the network, they’re pulling in good numbers and it’s cheap af and one bad smackdown ppv doesn’t make the vast majority cancel
where wwe is shitting the bed, perhaps drastically come renewal time, is on tv. no one watches anymore, I certainly don’t, but I did this week, well smackdown at least and this notion giving away big matches on tv killed wcw is total bullshit. the aol time warner merger was the only thing that killed wcw. and besides luger/hogan and goldberg/hogan what box office matches where wcw giving away every week? the further notion that a big time match between nakamura and cena or anyone is ruined now because it’s already happened is laughable. it’s wrestling, everyone wrestles everyone. stop being so fucking precious
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Meh, when that sort of match happens on TV the first time you just get 10 minutes being televised and both guys holding back.
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Saitsuofleaves posted...
Heatseeker500 posted...xOmniCloudx posted...Heatseeker500 posted...It makes no sense to want the top matches on a 'PPV' when you can get it for free lol. That's just fans regurgitating what they've heard people from WWE on the Monday Night Wars documentary talk about in regards to Hogan/Goldberg, and now they have their booking caps on. Perfectly stated.
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Lol @ this being the cause of WCW's death. I love how anything people disagree with gets lumped into why WCW died.
As said, WCW really only did it twice. Did Goldberg/Hogan potentially lose a lot of PPV money? Sure. But who cares? It's such a sillly argument when you consider this: Ted, the guy who actually stands to make money....didn't care! He had two motives. "Own me a wrasslin company!", and CURB STOMP Vince. And he was doing both. 40k+ filled the arena, and 10 mil watched at home. Bischoff gave the fans what they wanted. Ted got what he wanted. So many people cry and complain about the product being boring, but complain when they actually do something interesting. They give us a big tv match. "Should have been on PPV". They give us the Shield triple threat on a PPV that has historical been irrelevant. "Should have been Wrestlemania". People complain about trash, but are so conditioned to take said trash, that they can't even fathom the WWE actually giving them something good.
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